Bobby Roberts
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mandatory trivia: That's Harrison Ford doing the voiceover.
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Star Wars: The Last Jedi Official Teaser
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mandatory trivia: That's Harrison Ford doing the voiceover.
I didn't realize it until the video was done and it was listed in the description. Immediately went back and rewatched it.
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
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.......oh man I'm dead. That's too funny.
kunonabi
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based on what? We saw Ren do way more impresive feats than anyone else in the previous six movies.
Killer Queen
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Based on the fact that Luke has been training for 40 years and was the person who was teaching Kylo Ren in the first place.
Lol... He lost against Rey...
MoonsaultSlayer
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I'm watching TFA now and Snoke drops "awakening [of the force]" and "the last Jedi" in his first scene. I wonder if there's a hint for the third title in there somewhere lol. *Failed at coming up with anything from either of his scenes
Well in all fairness he defeated Vader after a very short training period
In fairness he was wounded and crushed under the emotional weight of yenno.. Murdering his father in cold blood and all, like 5 min before
Like being a Sith and losing to a complete noob?
I always liked the blue logo that they used for this. Kinda hope they make it that color for IX's logo
Aren't the Sith supposed to gain power from emotions tho
Meaning that despite not being her dad, it's probably Rey (who still had an attachment to the guy) who suffered the most from a fighting perspective, if anything because Kylo should've gained power from those powerful emotions. Which makes Rey beating the living crap out of him even more hilarious when you think that way
Bobby Roberts
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Kylo Ren isn't a sith though.
And the gamification/power-levels bullshit is probably not the best/most useful way to look at the storytelling going on.
And the gamification/power-levels bullshit is probably not the best/most useful way to look at the storytelling going on.
molnizzle
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Two things.
1.) As far as we know, Kylo Ren isn't a "Sith."
2.) Kylo Ran hadn't mastered anything. He struggled with the dark side, as shown in his creepy monologue to grandaddy's helmet.
His childish flip outs whenever something didn't go his way served to show that he was also a bit of a novice.
He'll be better trained in TLJ, for sure.
And Vader took down Emperor while under emotional state and having just lost a hand.
I wonder why nobody put in effort with old trailers. They could cut movies to be exciting and suspenseful but not trailers?
Losing a robotic hand and actually being wounded in the rib from a firearm are two completely different things.
You had TV and cinema back then, I don't believe VHS/Beta was around at this point. And TVs were big if they were 15, 20 inches. And you usually only had one in the house. You could put minimum effort in because there was a lot less competition.
Having said that, I think this trailer is actually pretty good for back in the day trailers, especially a year out from the movie. Most of the special effects shots weren't done, and if I recall correctly neither was the filming. It shows your favorite characters are back, in new and exciting environments. It would probably have hooked me back in the day.
These points are even more in favor of the argument that Kylo isn't even remotely close to Luke though, so we're kinda running in circles here.
Other than that, being on the dark side of the Force is the point more than being a Sith when it comes to drawing power from strong emotions. Some people think that Rey's anger is why she fucked him up.
JonnyDBrit
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Also 'emotions' =/= pure dark side power. It has to be harnessed. Directed. Kylo is emotionally all over the place in that fight, whereas the moment Rey wins is where she stops, and breathes.
He stopped a blaster bolt in mid-air and held it there while interrogating Poe and give hard looks at Finn. We have never seen a Jedi or powerful force user do this before.
He also pulled thoughts from Poe with the force, something even Vader couldn't do to Leia without the aid of a mind probe. Kylo is showing very early on to be a very powerful force user.
Pulling thoughts from Leia (a VERY powerful Force user) and Poe (a fucking pilot) isn't exactly the same thing.
And these powers Kylo is showing are simply new ideas made to avoid copying every single ability from old movies, and promoting new ideas of what the Force users can do instead. Don't overthink this.
Leia knew nothing of the force in ANH. Come on.
molnizzle
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Han didn't know shit about the Force and Vader still used interrogation bots on him in Empire.
The movies are just showing new Force powers. Maybe Snoke knows some shit that Vader and Palpatine didn't?
"It's so much bigger."
Just like Rey in EP VII. She won though ( against the most powerful force user ? )
MoonsaultSlayer
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Any chance Kylo's trailer scar is just placeholder or a red herring of sorts? It's so blatantly wrong, they'd have to pull a Lucas and alter the scene in TFA to make it work.
This just indicates that aspects of TFA are badly written and not thought through
It was changed because it looked really goofy before.
Rian said he moved it since it looked awkward going across the bridge of his nose.
That's the thing though. His heart was never in what he did. He was immediately weakened by his decision. Was all over his face in TFA.
Not even close to being comparable. He took the emperor by surprise.. He didn't succeed because of his power through the force but rather his decision to do the right thing. Ren faced Rey in a fight they both knew would happen, head on.
Vader freaking threw him down a shaft because the emperor underestimated his emotions. It wasn't a fight anymore than it would be to nudge someone over a cliff who was taking a picture of the scenery
Stuff like this never really bothers me.
It's the sequel, things are slightly going to change, ain't no biggie. It's a big deal for some people, though, for whatever reason...
George Oscar Bluth II
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That wasn't an interrogation, they were just torturing him so that Luke would feel it and come running. They didn't even ask him any questions.
MoonsaultSlayer
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I mean the scar is a bigger deal than outfit changes. It'd be like if Han was instead frozen from the neck down in RotJ so he can have speaking lines since it wouldn't be as "cool" not having real Han.
MoonsaultSlayer
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Regarding the scar, I'm not losing my mind or sleep over it. I just happened to watch TFA and saw the difference myself and feel that their reasoning for the sequel is lame and lazy. Handwaving it and justifying it just seems odd from a community who sweat the small details in continuity. (I'm no where near the biggest SW fan, but again, it just seems corny)
Bobby Roberts
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seriously though, fuck continuity
Maybe the lesson to learn here is that We should learn not the sweat the small details.
*inc 30k word wookieepedia article about Kylo's scar and the lore reasons why it changed positions*
Is that you George?
Bobby Roberts
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The old guy who went back and reworked a bunch of shit in the films he directed/produced to bring them in line with continuity?
You know after seeing these movies a million times, I never made the connection that Vader was doing pretty much what Kylo is doing in the Rey interrogation scene.
However, I don't believe we've ever seen someone use the force to mentally torture someone before, in canon. Have we? Certainly not in the main films
Saucestin_Roast
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Thank you.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
But how come the UNSC didn't give Mr. Halo DMRs before!?
Yeah that sounds like him
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