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Starcraft 2 is now a trilogy

Htown said:
Blizzard just got used to the subscription model after WoW, I guess. Look forward to new expansions 12 times a year, guys!

WoW has two expansions and regular free patches for new content in between. What are you going on about?
 
HugBasket said:
Blizzard was probably going to fuck up the gameplay elements anyways.
think about it, it took blizzard years to fully patch up MP starcraft into something finely balanced. now imagine how long it'll take them to balance SC2, with new units/abilities coming out once a year or whatever their release schedule is
 
Jenga said:
think about it, it took blizzard years to fully patch up MP starcraft into something finely balanced. now imagine how long it'll take them to balance SC2, with new units/abilities coming out once a year or whatever their release schedule is

The new untis in Brood War were created to help balance the game
 
firehawk12 said:
You know, only Blizzard would have the balls to do something so audacious.

I'm wondering if World of Warcraft 2 will only ship with Alliance races with Horde races coming in an "expan-quel".

But hey, if you know people will buy - especially in South Korea - then why not, I suppose.

Actually the correct analogy is all races are in the game, but only the Alliance lands are there, the Horde lands come in the expansion. The Alliance lands are as big as the first WoW's Alliance + Horde lands, and with better quests. The Horde lands will double the world of WoW 2, to be a total of twice as big as WoW 1.
 
I believe the main reason for splitting the campaigns was that the unique elements the respective races add to the SP are more extensive than we might expect (I mean the diplomatic Protoss, RPG character of the Zerg campaign), which could be so, so awesome.

I really hope they really run with this idea.
 
I'm amazed at the shear amount of hate and idle threats that are being thrown around;

"Blizzard better make these cheap otherwise I won't buy them."

Oh the hell you wouldn't buy it. Even if you did manage to keep your stiff upper lip and throw a tantrum and not play SCII, millions of others still will, why? Because it's fucking Blizzard, they may as well name their company "Quality Product".

Besides, do you honestly think Blizzard has become so corrupt that they'd charge ludicrous amounts for this? No, they save the over-priced crap for their merchandise :)

Fun idea, wait until you hear the actual pricing details before whining like three year olds? Blasphemous idea, I know, such is not the way of the message board poster, we must have ludicrous knee-jerk reactions to everything regardless as to how much we know :D
 
Zzoram said:
Actually the correct analogy is all races are in the game, but only the Alliance lands are there, the Horde lands come in the expansion. The Alliance lands are as big as the first WoW's Alliance + Horde lands, and with better quests. The Horde lands will double the world of WoW 2, to be a total of twice as big as WoW 1.

With new classes
 
Haunted said:
I believe the main reason for splitting the campaigns was that the unique elements the respective races add to the SP are more extensive than we might expect (I mean the diplomatic Protoss, RPG character of the Zerg campaign), which could be so, so awesome.

It certainly sounds like Blizzard is serious about making the campaigns unique from one another. Pricing is the only concern, unless the campaigns themselves, the between battle portions, are like completely different games, releasing each at full price seems to be asking a little too much.
 
Won said:
I'm confused. Did some people here really expect no expansions at all?

I think most people would've LOVED a 2nd Starcraft or Diablo 2 or Warcraft 3 expansion pack. Blizzard commits to 2 for us for Starcraft 2, and suddenly the world hates expansions :lol
 
I have to wait how long to play the protoss campaign?
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Zzoram said:
I think most people would've LOVED a 2nd Starcraft or Diablo 2 or Warcraft 3 expansion pack. Blizzard commits to 2 for us for Starcraft 2, and suddenly the world hates expansions :lol
:lol


Except, blizzard doesn't see them as "expansions". They see them as "FULL STAND ALONE PRODUCTS". why is it so silly to assume they also plan to price them as you would expect of "FULL STAND ALONE PRODUCTS".

hell, I already made this point before too.
 
Jenga said:
:lol


Except, blizzard doesn't see them as "expansions". They see them as "FULL STAND ALONE PRODUCTS". why is it so silly to assume they also plan to price them as you would expect of "FULL STAND ALONE PRODUCTS".

hell, I already made this point before too.

Yeah we all want things for free, but we rarely get them for free.
 
Jenga said:
:lol


Except, blizzard doesn't see them as "expansions". They see them as "FULL STAND ALONE PRODUCTS". why is it so silly to assume they also plan to price them as you would expect of "FULL STAND ALONE PRODUCTS".

hell, I already made this point before too.
its only a 10$ difference
 
Akia said:
I also forgot to mention that the subtitles for each of the "stand-alone products" are lame.

Ya they kindof are. They should've just called it Terran, Zerg, Protoss, or Raynor, Kerrigan, Zeratuel. We don't need full sentences.
 
Jenga said:
:lol


Except, blizzard doesn't see them as "expansions". They see them as "FULL STAND ALONE PRODUCTS". why is it so silly to assume they also plan to price them as you would expect of "FULL STAND ALONE PRODUCTS".

hell, I already made this point before too.

Learn to read? Pardo specifically said they are expansions, but Blizzards wants them to feel like stand alone products in terms of quality.
 
Zzoram said:
Ya they kindof are. They should've just called it Terran, Zerg, Protoss, or Raynor, Kerrigan, Zeratuel. We don't need full sentences.

As it stands now there is going to be too much text on the box for my liking. They should name it Stacraft II: The Terran Saga or Starcraft II: Episode/Chapter One.

This is like Valve coming out with Half-Life 2: Episode One before Half-Life 2.

Maybe I was naive in wanting to just pick up ONE big collectors' edition Starcraft II in (2010/11) with the entire campaign and just take a month off from work to enjoy it.
 
Akia said:
As it stands now there is going to be too much text on the box for my liking. They should name it Stacraft II: The Terran Saga or Starcraft II: Episode/Chapter One.

This is like Valve coming out with Half-Life 2: Episode One before Half-Life 2.

Maybe I was naive in wanting to just pick up ONE big collectors' edition Starcraft II in (2010/11) with the entire campaign and just take a month off from work to enjoy it.

I have an Undead Warcraft III box from the initial shipment. The standard box was Orc, but the initial shipment had Undead, Night Elf and Human boxes.

At least with Starcraft II, we have a reason to own a box for each race :lol
 
JasonUresti said:
It certainly sounds like Blizzard is serious about making the campaigns unique from one another. Pricing is the only concern, unless the campaigns themselves, the between battle portions, are like completely different games, releasing each at full price seems to be asking a little too much.
I'm fairly certain they'll adhere to the traditional expansion pack pricing.
 
No mods allowed in Diablo III, Starcraft II lauching incomplete, both games looking poor technically.
After WoW it seems Blizzard doesn't give a shit anymore about its other IPs.
 
Never played the original SC, was totally going to get this because the videos they showed looked awesome, but fuck buying three separate games to get the full SP.
 
As a Starcraft player who plays melee alot back then, I know how important balance is for this game. To hear that they'll "add more upgrades and units" in each episode doesn't sound too good. Do what you want to do Blizzard, add more units to the compains if you want, but please leave the multiplayer part alone. Korea would agree with me.
 
Fio said:
No mods allowed in Diablo III, Starcraft II lauching incomplete, both games looking poor technically.
After WoW it seems Blizzard doesn't give a shit anymore about its other IPs.

*facepalm*

How are Diablo and Starcraft poor technically? Just because they arent bleeding edge and would rather make it so normal people can run it on their computers?
 
Fio said:
No mods allowed in Diablo III, Starcraft II lauching incomplete, both games looking poor technically.
After WoW it seems Blizzard doesn't give a shit anymore about its other IPs.

You don't understand the market at all, do you?
 
BishopLamont said:
As a Starcraft player who plays melee alot back then, I know how important balance is for this game. To hear that they'll "add more upgrades and units" in each episode doesn't sound too good. Do what you want to do Blizzard, add more units to the compains if you want, but please leave the multiplayer part alone. Korea would agree with me.

Once again, Brood War, Brood War, Brood War
 
People are so damn cheap. But then again, in this current economic climate, it may be prudent to be this way.

Still... I'm pretty excited about the extra content... more story cutscenes, more CG cutscenes... and hopefully more campaign as a result.

Wonder if each game is going to act as a mini expansion for the multiplayer as well? Would be cool... each game introduces a couple extra units to the MP game, like broodwar.
 
BishopLamont said:
As a Starcraft player who plays melee alot back then, I know how important balance is for this game. To hear that they'll "add more upgrades and units" in each episode doesn't sound too good. Do what you want to do Blizzard, add more units to the compains if you want, but please leave the multiplayer part alone. Korea would agree with me.

Is everyone forgetting that adding units in Broodwar made Starcraft MORE balanced? It's not like they toss in new stuff for shits and giggles. They look at the current balance situation, and design new units to improve it.
 
Fio said:
No mods allowed in Diablo III, Starcraft II lauching incomplete, both games looking poor technically.
After WoW it seems Blizzard doesn't give a shit anymore about its other IPs.
Um, you do realize that graphics has NEVER been Blizzard's focus right? I mean, Starcraft came out on a year that gave us Half-Life, Ocarina of Time, Resident Evil 2, and Metal Gear Solid? Not to mention that Diablo II came out about TWO years after that. And guess what? Those games are still topping the PC charts to this day.

As to the claims about Starcraft II being incomplete... :lol
 
I will pay for SC2 with pints of my own blood if I have to. The only issue for me is the release schedule, if all three were released simulataneously this would be amazing, but that's extremely unlikely. If this ends up like "Half-Life 3" (the episodes) I will be hugely pissed.

However, I'm happy SC2 will be the biggest and most epic game in history. Three full RTS games with totally different elements and storylines forming one huge monstrosity of SC goodness. The return of the Xel'Naga will truly be amazing.
 
Mister Chef said:
Um, you do realize that graphics has NEVER been Blizzard's focus right? I mean, Starcraft came out on a year that gave us Half-Life, Ocarina of Time, Resident Evil 2, and Metal Gear Solid? Not to mention that Diablo II came out about TWO years after that. And guess what? Those games are still topping the PC charts to this day.

As to the claims about Starcraft II being incomplete... :lol

Now graphics should be one of their priorities. Things have changed. They have plenty of money to invest, great artists, why not using it in the favor of the game?

And yes, to me SC2 will lanch incomplete. I don't like multiplayer in RTS games, I was actually expecting the single player modes. Now I'll have to pay tree times to enjoy the full game. I don't understand how people defend this kind of thing.
 
Mister Chef said:
Um, you do realize that graphics has NEVER been Blizzard's focus right? I mean, Starcraft came out on a year that gave us Half-Life, Ocarina of Time, Resident Evil 2, and Metal Gear Solid? Not to mention that Diablo II came out about TWO years after that. And guess what? Those games are still topping the PC charts to this day.

As to the claims about Starcraft II being incomplete... :lol

And they still look nice thanks to their awesome art direction
 
Fio said:
Now graphics should be one of their priorities. Things have changed. They have plenty of money to invest, great artists, why not using it in the favor of the game?

And yes, to me SC2 will lanch incomplete. I don't like multiplayer in RTS games, I was actually expecting the single player modes. Now I'll have to pay tree times to enjoy the full game. I don't understand how people defend this kind of thing.

No they arent. Having people buy their product is their priority. And Starcraft and Diablo are using those great artists. They both have fantastic art direction
 
Fio said:
Now graphics should be one of their priorities. Things have changed. They have plenty of money to invest, great artists, why not using it in the favor of the game?

And yes, to me SC2 will lanch incomplete. I don't like multiplayer in RTS games, I was actually expecting the single player modes. Now I'll have to pay tree times to enjoy the full game. I don't understand how people defend this kind of thing.

Yes, but consumers still have Intel integrated graphics.
 
I'm really starting to think Blizzard is not that good of a developer.
I mean its not like Starcraft 2 will be THAT different than the original and 10 years to work on it?? Pretty ridiculous to me, Blizzard are just taking showers in their wow money
and imo being outright lazy.
 
God damn I hate this. RTS campaigns are nothing more then extended live tutorials to teach you the various units and how they function against other units. I'd rather have 3 bland campaigns with enough breathing room to learn the ins and outs of each faction then 1 really awesome cinematic campaign.

I'm probably in the minority though.
 
Zzoram said:
Yes, but consumers still have Intel integrated graphics.

I understand why they are doing it. I just don't like it, neither should anyone who likes gaming.
It's not like their games will bomb if they push the tech a little more. Crysis, which is super demanding hardware-wise and had much less hype, managed to sold 1+ million of copies, I don't see how Blizzard's games would have any problem to sell some millions of copies.
 
I like the single player play style expansion.

Going from RTS to more RPG to more Sim.

My only complaint is that wouldn't it be really boring only playing one class for an entire game.

I would much prefer it to have all three races in each game with each single player style. I want to see how Zerg would handle diplomacy or a RPG style game staring Zerutul.

Blizzard expansion packs have always been fantastic so I have confidence in them.
 
HK-47 said:
WoW has two expansions and regular free patches for new content in between. What are you going on about?
If by 'free' you mean '$15 monthly', then yes.

Eltacoman said:
I'm really starting to think Blizzard is not that good of a developer.
I mean its not like Starcraft 2 will be THAT different than the original and 10 years to work on it?? Pretty ridiculous to me, Blizzard are just taking showers in their wow money
and imo being outright lazy.
Lazyness is definitely not what delays Blizzard games...
(Or 99.999% of games, for that matter).
 
Fio said:
Now graphics should be one of their priorities. Things have changed. They have plenty of money to invest, great artists, why not using it in the favor of the game?

And yes, to me SC2 will lanch incomplete. I don't like multiplayer in RTS games, I was actually expecting the single player modes. Now I'll have to pay tree times to enjoy the full game. I don't understand how people defend this kind of thing.
Huh? Dude, wake up, take a shower, and have some coffee. WoW is now at 10 gajillion subscribers and that game's got some of the shittiest graphics I've ever seen. Regular customer's don't give a shit about graphics period, they want fun, and they're willing to pay for it.

Things have changed my ass. Quality gameplay never goes out of style.
 
Mister Chef said:
As to the claims about Starcraft II being incomplete... :lol

No matter how awesome the multiplayer component/Terran campaign are Starcraft II is incomplete without the Protoss and Zerg campaigns.
 
Akia said:
No matter how awesome the multiplayer component/Terran campaign are Starcraft II is incomplete without the Protoss and Zerg campaigns.

word of advice to those of you wanting a "complete" game. Wait till the other 2 expansions are released and buy them all at the same time. It will be like this announcement never took place because that is the time frame Blizzard would have been looking at if they didn't make this decision.

They obviously thought it was the best route to take from a business point of view and if they were going to make expansions anyways it makes a lot of sense to me. Consumers get a game earlier and have huge chunks of expansion heading down the pipeline.

Get used to the episodic content people. It works. It extends the shelf life of a game immensely. Games are getting way too big to allow someone like Blizzard or Valve to release a game polished to their standards in just one single pack. If the value is there people will buy it.
 
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