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harSon said:
It's honestly easier to believe that the data is legitimate, considering benchmarks across dozens of websites reinforce one another, than it is to believe that there's some kind of agenda across every computer hardware website in existence to cook the books for hits.
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And then we're back to square one of the arguments already presented in the thread; We can we do with canned benchmarks in generic benchmark software when loads of people are experiencing something completely different? Just because they put up some numbers on a site doesn't make it the bible you can cling to when people are saying something else.

We have already agreed, on lower end machines, machines with normal HDDs you might feel the performance gains in some areas. However on higher end PCs, the one I'm arguing for, Windows 8 and 7 are identical when it comes to the feel. Software opens instantaneous ( or with an arbitrary load time, ala Photoshop ) - How can you improve on that, are we talking milliseconds here?

And overall Windows 8 is just not a Windows 7 successor worthy, it's a lukewarm experience with some improvements that are going to be great in Windows 9 and with the massive disappointment in sales and adoption rate, they might drop all that hybrid UI bullshit.
 
Your argument is irrelevant. Not only have people with high end computers suggested Windows 8 experiences contrary to your own (and all anecdotal evidence is equal, which is why we tend to rely on scientific studies before establishing claims), but even if your experiences were fact, most people don't have a high end gaming computer let alone an SSD hard drive. Regardless of your experiences, most people are going to see an improvement. So you're free to say that Windows 8 is not a logical upgrade in your case, but that decision is not true for the overwhelming majority of computer users out there. Now, I'll concede and say that the difference in speed is not worth the full price of admission ($40 is a no brainer IMO, and downgrading is misguided), but that's an argument for another day.
 
harSon said:
Your argument is irrelevant. Not only have people with high end computers suggested Windows 8 experiences contrary to your own (and all anecdotal evidence is equal, which is why we tend to rely on scientific studies before establishing claims), but even if your experiences were fact, most people don't have a high end gaming computer let alone an SSD hard drive. Regardless of your experiences, most people are going to see an improvement. So you're free to say that Windows 8 is not a logical upgrade in your case, but that decision is not true for the overwhelming majority of computer users out there. Now, I'll concede and say that the difference in speed is not worth the full price of admission ($40 is a no brainer IMO, and downgrading is misguided), but that's an argument for another day.
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And there we have hit the core of the argument, I honestly don't give a toss what Mr. Y and Ms. X benefits from Windows 8 in terms of speed or usability. I argue on my own behalf when people keep telling me there's speed gains, when there isn't for me. I have said all along that I concede there's gains to be had on lower end machines - However I can't use generic benchmarks to tell me what I experience. I've yet to see high-end SSD users say they had a much better experience with Windows 8 for that matter.

It's all pointless any way. Windows 8 has failed in the eyes of Microsoft and most of the IT world. It was a gamble that didn't pay off and they are paying for it. Soon we'll be using Windows 9 that most likely looks more like Windows 7 and has any beneficial improvements from Windows 8. Win-win for everyone.

Cyrillus said:
Guys, you just don't understand. He has anecdotal evidence! Stop trying to sway him with your "canned benchmarks!"
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Excellent post, adds a lot.
 
Sethos said:
And there we have hit the core of the argument, I honestly don't give a toss what Mr. Y and Ms. X benefits from Windows 8 in terms of speed or usability. I argue on my own behalf when people keep telling me there's speed gains, when there isn't for me. I have said all along that I concede there's gains to be had on lower end machines - However I can't use generic benchmarks to tell me what I experience. I've yet to see high-end SSD users say they had a much better experience with Windows 8 for that matter.

It's all pointless any way. Windows 8 has failed in the eyes of Microsoft and most of the IT world. It was a gamble that didn't pay off and they are paying for it. Soon we'll be using Windows 9 that most likely looks more like Windows 7 and has any beneficial improvements from Windows 8. Win-win for everyone.



Excellent post, adds a lot.
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I have a gaming PC with an SSD. Came with Windows 8, went back to Windows 7 after a few weeks, and I actually DID notice a slight decrease in speed. Boot-up was slower and the opening of programs went from being completely instantaneous under load to just slightly slower under load (but still quite fast). I'm on Windows 8 again.

That's just my input, though.
 
LukasTaves said:
I really don't see this fixing anything, on the contrary, but to each his own i guess...
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It fixed the broken multimonitor support.

Trying tossing a modern app to your second screen then hit the start button on your main and see what happens.
 
MCD said:
It fixed the broken multimonitor support.

Trying tossing a modern app to your second screen then hit the start button on your main and see what happens.
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This is indeed neat, i stand corrected then.

But other than better multiple screen management i still think it the other "fixes" miss the point entirely...
 
harSon said:
You're the one tossing out hyperbole, suggesting that those transitioning from Windows 7 to Windows 8 will see a benefit if they're using a "2002 laptop." When in reality, they'll see gains on a modern system. Pretty much every test I've seen, on high end computers no less, shows that Windows 8 is faster than Windows 7 outside of gaming. If the latter quality of computing is what you're basing your argument around, then fine, but for overall computing speed, Windows 8 is factually superior.
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http://www.hardcoreware.net/windows-7-vs-windows-8-performance/3/

Performance looks pretty much the same to me. Maybe an improvement of 1-2%, but I doubt that would really be noticeable.

Boot up times seem to be consistently faster, which is good for laptops, but not all that meaningful for desktops, where they have been pushing Sleep over Shut Down for years now.
 
btrboyev said:
Yes. I'd like to ask you guys how fast your windows 7 machine cold boots on startup to the login screen/desktop. My surface boots in about 10 secs. My windows 7 laptop with higher specs boots in about 20-25 secs.
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Discounting BIOS initialization which takes the longest on my computer for some reason, but wouldn't be mitigated by changing OS, roughly 5 seconds.
 
Bregor said:
Windows 8 won't be fixed for me until they allow you to purchase Metro apps through other sources than the MS store. The UI issues are a secondary issue to me, the attempt to turn the platform into a closed one is what is keeping me away.
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That's by far the biggest reason that I won't buy Windows 8. You Windows 8 owners are digging your own graves.
 
LukasTaves said:
This is indeed neat, i stand corrected then.

But other than better multiple screen management i still think it the other "fixes" miss the point entirely...
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So what's the "point" of the Modern UI on a desktop that makes all the disadvantages worthwile? Creating an uncomfortable single-task (or dual-task) environment isn't exactly great for productivity and usability. It's especially ironic on an operating system called "Windows".

Even on my laptop, where I don't have a multi-monitor setup, this Modern Mix paradigm makes much more sense (although I pretty much ignore the "Modern" part of Windows 8) and is far easier to use than the default fullscreen experience Microsoft provides.

TAJ said:
That's by far the biggest reason that I won't buy Windows 8. You Windows 8 owners are digging your own graves.
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I pretty much ignore everything on that side of Windows 8, there's absolutely nothing worthwhile in the Store. With Start8, it feels exactly like Windows 7 & some nice enhancements.
 
netBuff said:
So what's the "point" of the Modern UI on a desktop that makes all the disadvantages worthwile? Creating an uncomfortable single-task (or dual-task) environment isn't exactly great for productivity and usability. It's especially ironic on an operating system called "Windows".

Even on my laptop, where I don't have a multi-monitor setup, this Modern Mix paradigm makes much more sense (although I pretty much ignore the "Modern" part of Windows 8) and is far easier to use than the default fullscreen experience Microsoft provides.



I pretty much ignore everything on that side of Windows 8, there's absolutely nothing worthwhile in the Store. With Start8, it feels exactly like Windows 7 & some nice enhancements.
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On a desktop metro can be great at quickly fire and forget media consumption. In between tasks at work a press the start button, glances at the start screen to check for notifications, emails, messages, news etc... If i want to check further any of this i click the tile, consume the content, and with a win+d i'm back at my desktop without having to accommodate my work space to that escape. I also don't care about managing that window, or leaving it opened running in parallel between my other tasks. Having metro apps appearing as another desktop app removes all that functionality. Now i have to configure a proper window size to show enough content. I also have to actually close the application otherwise it will be permanently meddled with my other windows... If i also installed the start8 extension i actually lose this entire workflow. Now metro apps become essentially styled desktop apps that i have to keep open all the time to benefit from them.

On desktop side snapping apps is also pretty awesome. I don't have to keep single tasks apps opened all the time, occupying space in the task bar, and i get their functionality without having to manage windows all the time. I don't have to leave the IM open to receive a message for instance. And if i want to engage on a conversation i simply dock the app to the side, and it never messes with my work windows. If the conversation ends i quickly adjust the bar giving back full screen state to the desktop, but still have the benefit of notifications... Same with calculators and other simple tasks apps. I can have them on top all the time, with consistent copy and past across applications, not having to change between overlapping windows to cooperate with them... That again removes that, as now metro apps become essentially desktop apps with all the hurdles of window management...

I'm not saying that you have to enjoy using metro in a desktop, but what makes it good is that it offers a choice of a different workflow, this "fix" essentially removes that choice making metro applications essentially become desktop apps, and you are better of using full blown desktop apps.
 
LukasTaves said:
On a desktop metro can be great at quickly fire and forget media consumption. In between tasks at work a press the start button, glances at the start screen to check for notifications, emails, messages, news etc... If i want to check further any of this i click the tile, consume the content, and with a win+d i'm back at my desktop without having to accommodate my work space to that escape. I also don't care about managing that window, or leaving it opened running in parallel between my other tasks. Having metro apps appearing as another desktop app removes all that functionality. Now i have to configure a proper window size to show enough content. I also have to actually close the application otherwise it will be permanently meddled with my other windows... If i also installed the start8 extension i actually lose this entire workflow. Now metro apps become essentially styled desktop apps that i have to keep open all the time to benefit from them.

On desktop side snapping apps is also pretty awesome. I don't have to keep single tasks apps opened all the time, occupying space in the task bar, and i get their functionality without having to manage windows all the time. I don't have to leave the IM open to receive a message for instance. And if i want to engage on a conversation i simply dock the app to the side, and it never messes with my work windows. If the conversation ends i quickly adjust the bar giving back full screen state to the desktop, but still have the benefit of notifications... Same with calculators and other simple tasks apps. I can have them on top all the time, with consistent copy and past across applications, not having to change between overlapping windows to cooperate with them... That again removes that, as now metro apps become essentially desktop apps with all the hurdles of window management...

I'm not saying that you have to enjoy using metro in a desktop, but what makes it good is that it offers a choice of a different workflow, this "fix" essentially removes that choice making metro applications essentially become desktop apps, and you are better of using full blown desktop apps.
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I love how even your defense of Modern sounds as complicated, uncomfortable and inconvenient it actually is. Instead of managing windows, you're managing another interface that is completely alien to the desktop environment and follows differing usability guidelines.

If I want to open a calculator, I press the start button and type "calc", then press Enter. Opening up an intrusive full-screen environment for something as basic as this is an absurd proposition, as is laboriously docking an IM window I otherwise could see or just ignore in the task bar, or just next to my work window.

It seems with Modern, you're basically constantly juggling tasks, resizing, docking, snapping - all things the desktop manages with much more ease while displaying multiple (more than two) applications at the same time. Window management is one of the great advantages modern operating systems have over tablets and other devices, where easy tasks become complicated due to the lack of this ability.

kitch9 said:
No its not... People are just stuck in their ways and can't handle change. I use it for Office and Home and its fine out of the box. I much prefer it to 7.
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It is broken and ill-conceived. If you can't see why adding a secondary interface layer that follows completely different guidelines is a user interface nightmare, I can't help you.
 
I'm gonna have to check this out. Been pretty much ignoring the "Windows 8" part of Windows 8 because I don't want a simple app taking up my entire screen. Have to agree that Windows 8 having two completely different UIs is a broken mess. You're in "Metro" mode and click something and it suddenly throws you into the classic Desktop -- that has to be jarring and confusing for the novice user. If I wasn't so familiar with old Windows and the new interfact, I'd probably get lost and frustrated on a regular basis.
 
People still think mouse and keyboard stops working when you push the start button? Change isn't that difficult. I found this page in a magazine about Windows 8 for old people.
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ConvenientBox said:
Big deal dude, it takes 2 seconds to add calculator to the task bar and never use metro. Honestly, the win8 whiners are getting annoying now...
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I'm using Windows 8 constantly, I have it installed on all my computers: That doesn't mean I can't criticize the fact that Microsoft made some terrible interface design choices while at the same time not improving long-standing flaws of the desktop environment (easily pinning stuff like folders to the taskbar, drag-and-drop opening).

Without a start menu replacement like Start8, Windows 8 controls significantly worse than Windows 7 in daily use.

megarockexe said:
People still think mouse and keyboard stops working when you push the start button? Change isn't that difficult. I found this page in a magazine about Windows 8 for old people.
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Nobody actually thinks that. The problem is that Modern is an extremely intrusive, alien user environment that doesn't suit mouse & keyboard usage.
 
One of the Stardock devs says they plan to resolve the muted audio issues for background windows:

In most cases thats a good thing as with games you don't want their audio when they are not foreground, but we understand with some apps thats less ideal.

With that in mind we plan to see about offering an option to specifically allow apps to continue their audio when inactive, but this will be on a per app basis.

Some apps already handle it correctly such as the youtube player app.
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Going to install the trial once that's implemented. I like that companies are willing to fix Windows 8, but they shouldn't have to, we should have the option to do all this stuff at OS level should we want to, but MS was too busy trying to push their store so we had to make do with the garbage interface.
 
It's interesting to see Stardock hack their way around intentional design, such as apps not being allowed to play background audio unless the developer explicitly declared that capability.

It has other implications too, like integration with the volume controls. Windows 8 just allows one background audio app at a time, because whatever app that is will show up in the volume controls for forward/backward/play/pause options. So if apps don't actually write for that ability, but it happens anyway, could seem weird.
 
netBuff said:
I love how even your defense of Modern sounds as complicated, uncomfortable and inconvenient it actually is. Instead of managing windows, you're managing another interface that is completely alien to the desktop environment and follows differing usability guidelines.

If I want to open a calculator, I press the start button and type "calc", then press Enter. Opening up an intrusive full-screen environment for something as basic as this is an absurd proposition, as is laboriously docking an IM window I otherwise could see or just ignore in the task bar, or just next to my work window.

It seems with Modern, you're basically constantly juggling tasks, resizing, docking, snapping - all things the desktop manages with much more ease while displaying multiple (more than two) applications at the same time. Window management is one of the great advantages modern operating systems have over tablets and other devices, where easy tasks become complicated due to the lack of this ability.



It is broken and ill-conceived. If you can't see why adding a secondary interface layer that follows completely different guidelines is a user interface nightmare, I can't help you.
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It's not complicated, quite the opposite. Maybe i didn't expressed myself very well (english is not my first language), but using metro for simple focused tasks have improved my workflow on both usability and ease of use.

Let me try to explain again. If i want to check for a new email on W7 i have the following options:

- Use a browser to go to the web app version of the email
- Configure a email client like outlook.

Both methods require either leaving the app open all the time to receive new email, or opening them as needed, and you pay for those two scenarios. If you leave they open all the time you are paying the price for something you are not using. Be it battery life, be it clutter space on the taskbar by having an app that it didn't needed to be opened all the time, and having an extra window meddling with your current workflow. If you use the web browser version it could be potentially worse because after focusing on the browser you'd still have to focus to the correct tab. And in my case is even worse, because my corporate email does not auto update, and expires after 30 minutes of inactivity. So to check my email via browser I have to switch to the browser window, select the correct tab, press F5 to refresh, login again and only them i'm able to check if i got the new email i was expecting.

If you use keep them closed and only open when needed you'd have to wait for the app to load up, and at least in my machine while desktop apps do open fast enough, it's not as fast as a metro app that pretty much opens instantly, specially on consequent start ups.

With w8 that's as simple as pressing a windows key and looking at the screen, if i didn't received the email I press the windows key again and i'm back to my work environment. If i have a new email i can open the email client, quickly respond and with a single win+d i'm also back to my workflow environment, exactly as i have left. How's that complicated or intrusive?

For other simple tasks like messaging, checking news, calendar, weather etc the same points can be made. Metro will allow you to consume the information you need, and go back to your workflow as you had never left.

And yeah, i can type win+calc and press enter to have the calculator to show up. But what if i'm doing subsequent calculations that need to be input on another screen right way? I have to keep refocusing between the calculator and the input screen. On metro, i can either open the app at first and very grossly (and fast) snap it to the side only once and have both my calculator and my input screen open at all times. That's specially useful when you are using the calculator along with more than one screen. And if i already opened the calculator, i don't even need to go full screen to snap it, a simple move to the corner gesture will show it on the side bar, and i can from there, again with very rude and fast gestures, because everything is big, snap it to the side and use it. And again, that's the same with messaging, checking news, calendar... Metro as a separate environment allows you to use it quickly when needed, discard when not needed, but still maintain working functionality like receiving notifications.
 
This actually makes me interested in possibly going back to Windows 8. Full screen bullshit is what killed it for me.

Does anyone know how well integrated this will be? Will Windows boot into this mode automatically, or will there be a few moments where it loads everything up? Is there a noticeable performance hit?
 
kitch9 said:
No its not... People are just stuck in their ways and can't handle change. I use it for Office and Home and its fine out of the box. I much prefer it to 7.
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Signed, everyone who pays for Windows when there's an equal free, more secure, and less bloated alternative OS available. Plenty of irony in that statement.
 
TheNatural said:
Signed, everyone who pays for Windows when there's an equal free, more secure, and less bloated alternative OS available. Plenty of irony in that statement.
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I'm sorry, but I use my computer as a centre of my digital life..so lol at suggestion I should use Linux.
 
Zefah said:
This actually makes me interested in possibly going back to Windows 8. Full screen bullshit is what killed it for me.

Does anyone know how well integrated this will be? Will Windows boot into this mode automatically, or will there be a few moments where it loads everything up? Is there a noticeable performance hit?
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I would suggest you get both Start8 and Modern Mix: With the former, you can boot directly to the desktop, get a start menu replacement or alternatively it integrates the Modern launcher into the taskbar - and with the latter, Modern Apps will behave similarly to regular desktop applications in that they are windowed and can be opened from the task menu without an intrusive full-sceen interface. Both programs work great together.

LukasTaves said:
Both methods require either leaving the app open all the time to receive new email, or opening them as needed, and you pay for those two scenarios. If you leave they open all the time you are paying the price for something you are not using. Be it battery life, be it clutter space on the taskbar by having an app that it didn't needed to be opened all the time, and having an extra window meddling with your current workflow. If you use the web browser version it could be potentially worse because after focusing on the browser you'd still have to focus to the correct tab. And in my case is even worse, because my corporate email does not auto update, and expires after 30 minutes of inactivity. So to check my email via browser I have to switch to the browser window, select the correct tab, press F5 to refresh, login again and only them i'm able to check if i got the new email i was expecting.
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Creating a taskbar icon for your corporate e-mail with Chrome and switching to it with Alt+Tab sounds far more comfortable.

LukasTaves said:
If you use keep them closed and only open when needed you'd have to wait for the app to load up, and at least in my machine while desktop apps do open fast enough, it's not as fast as a metro app that pretty much opens instantly, specially on consequent start ups.
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Get an SSD ;)

LukasTaves said:
And yeah, i can type win+calc and press enter to have the calculator to show up. But what if i'm doing subsequent calculations that need to be input on another screen right way? I have to keep refocusing between the calculator and the input screen. On metro, i can either open the app at first and very grossly (and fast) snap it to the side only once and have both my calculator and my input screen open at all times. That's specially useful when you are using the calculator along with more than one screen. And if i already opened the calculator, i don't even need to go full screen to snap it, a simple move to the corner gesture will show it on the side bar, and i can from there, again with very rude and fast gestures, because everything is big, snap it to the side and use it. And again, that's the same with messaging, checking news, calendar... Metro as a separate environment allows you to use it quickly when needed, discard when not needed, but still maintain working functionality like receiving notifications.
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I primarily work on a high-resolution multi-monitor system - that's probably why I'm not interested in the convoluted snapping, docking and undocking system Windows 8 provides. I never run any program fullscreen, everything is windowed - which allows me to have plenty of space for practical side-by-side operation without the constant context switching Modern requires. I'd hate to have to write e-mail (or do anything, really) without being able to directly reference other windows.
 
netBuff said:
It is broken and ill-conceived. If you can't see why adding a secondary interface layer that follows completely different guidelines is a user interface nightmare, I can't help you.
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Just use it as a launcher for your desktop programs and remove the apps then if you can't get your head around it.

Its not rocket science....

I've rolled it out in my office and TBQFH its hugely noob friendly, I've had barely any questions on it. I actually find some of the apps useful and I can access them without affecting the work and windows setup on my desktop.
 
Start8 wasn't for me since I barely used that shit in 7.

But ModernMix is something else, besides few bugs here and there (already reported them to support team), it's pretty much works like a native app.

There is not a moment of "starting/waiting for it to start". It boots with the OS instantly.
 
kitch9 said:
I've rolled it out in my office and TBQFH its hugely noob friendly, I've had barely any questions on it. I actually find some of the apps useful and I can access them without affecting the work and windows setup on my desktop.
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And what you end up with is a greatly inferior version of the start menu.

The start menu is so much more than a launcher - it displays recently used files for all pinned apps, it allows easy access to file search and settings. While the latter two are also present in Modern, they have to be specifically selected every time using the arrow keys + Enter. It's a huge step backwards.

kitch9 said:
I've rolled it out in my office and TBQFH its hugely noob friendly, I've had barely any questions on it. I actually find some of the apps useful and I can access them without affecting the work and windows setup on my desktop.
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A "virtual desktop" system like most Linux desktop environments (GNOME, KDE, ...) have would solve that problem far better.
 
netBuff said:
While the latter two are also present in Modern, they have to be specifically selected every time using the arrow keys + Enter. It's a huge step backwards.
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Press Win+W for fast accessing settings search and Win+F for file search.
 
nan0 said:
Press Win+W for fast accessing settings search and Win+F for file search.
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That's handy, but the fact that the Modern search can't find folders makes its search function pretty useless compared to the task bar.

Constantly having to switch modes seems to be a staple of Microsoft's new user interface design ideas.
 
netBuff said:
I pretty much ignore everything on that side of Windows 8, there's absolutely nothing worthwhile in the Store. With Start8, it feels exactly like Windows 7 & some nice enhancements.
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Market penetration by Windows 8 will allow MS to portray Metro as a successful environment to developers. They then will push developers to switch to Metro only apps, including paying a few developers of the most important ones for Metro exclusives. Then one day you will need a new copy of that app and the only version available for purchase will be the Metro version. This all could potentially create a self - reinforcing loop were more and more developers feel that they need to release their apps as Metro apps, and more and more consumers can only get their software that way.

And then eventually, in Windows 9 or 10 Microsoft will decide they can remove the desktop without any risk of losing customers, as all the important software will be on the Metro store anyway. Microsoft will have successfully closed the Windows environment.

This may seem like a paranoid scenario, but you better believe that it is what MS wants. And I have no intention of supporting such an outcome in any way.
 
RukusProvider said:
I installed Classic Shell yesterday and it seems to work great.

How are these products better?
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Classic Shell doesn't do windowed Metro apps as far as I know.

It's also more configurable but takes longer to set up properly than products like Start8 and StartIsBack which are just install and go.
 
So, Windows 8 is starting to look interesting... but there's still one barrier left for me. Bring back Aero and we'll talk - until then, no go. I'm currently using the Shine 2.0 theme on both my laptop and desktop and it's far, far prettier than Windows 8's butchered attempt at a transparent glass-looking UI. I'm sure someone will pipe up and say that I'm being an idiot for being swayed by appearances over the underlying performance improvements, but if I'm going to be looking at it all the time it may as well be nice to look at, right? There are some parts to Metro that I like but the complete seperation of it and the desktop has really soured my experience of the OS.

I'm ordering a new laptop this week, and it comes with Windows 8. I can tell you the first thing I'll be doing is formatting the drive and installing a fresh copy of Windows 7.

Hmm... I bet Windows 9 will look nice.
 
Skyfireblaze said:
Great! :D Now Someone needs to bring back Aero Glass and I will consider to upgrade :P
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I actually liked Aero Glass, but it was very performance heavy. All those times when Windows suddenly deactivated it temporarily, it was because of that. So, since it's for performance, I'm ok with Aero Glass out.

Anyway, as I said before, I didn't like Windows 8 UI, tried for some weeks, eventually went back to Windows 7 and, then again, in January, I installed 8 because of speed, performance and the Modern UI wasn't a big deal of me. I spend less than one minute there. I also deactivated the gesture that brings the Charms Bar when the mouse is on the corner.
 
animlboogy said:
I just launched a PDF and a Metro app stole my entire screen automatically. I immediately had to download a third party reader because that is unacceptable. I shouldn't have to have multiple apps doing the same thing because one of them is completely ill-conceived for usability on a PC.
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You don't have to have multiple apps doing the same thing. Uninstall the program. The software maker has the initial right to dictate what actions are performed by default and what is pre-installed upon first boot.
 
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