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State Considers Easing Gun Restrictions On Mentally Ill (G/A/F/?)

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Georgia Considers Easing Gun Restrictions On Mentally Ill

As lawmakers across the country look to tighten gun laws, Georgia legislators on Thursday debated a bill to allow more mentally ill people to obtain licenses to carry guns, the Associated Press reported.

Legislation up for a vote Thursday would allow people who have voluntarily sought inpatient treatment for mental illness or substance abuse to get such licenses.

The same bill also attempts to make it easier for officials to check on whether applicants have ever received involuntary treatment. Georgia also may change its laws to allow people to carry guns in churches, bars and on college campuses.

Currently, it is up to a judge whether to issue a carry license to someone who has received inpatient mental health or substance abuse treatment in the last five years.

ATLANTA -- While some states push to tighten gun control laws after the Connecticut school massacre, some lawmakers in gun-friendly Georgia want to ease rules preventing some mentally ill people from getting licenses to carry firearms.

Legislation up for a vote in Georgia's House on Thursday would allow people who have voluntarily sought inpatient treatment for mental illness or substance abuse to get licenses. The same bill also attempts to make it easier for officials to check on whether applicants have ever received involuntary treatment. Georgia also may change its laws to allow people to carry guns in churches, bars and on college campuses, contrary to what's happening elsewhere in the United States.


Judges in Georgia now have discretion over whether to grant a license to carry a weapon to anyone who has received inpatient treatment at a mental hospital or substance abuse treatment center in the last five years, whether it's voluntary or not.

"Simply being hospitalized doesn't make a person a criminal or a threat," said Rep. Rick Jasperse, R-Jasper, the bill sponsor, in a statement.

That change is part of a larger package showcasing the local Republican philosophy on guns. The plan, backed by a gun owners group called GeorgiaCarry.Org, would allow people to carry weapons in churches, bars and college campuses - despite the objections of higher education officials. In response to a shooting rampage that killed 26 people in Connecticut, it would allow school officials to arm their employees.

Democrats planned to fight the proposal, although they conceded it would likely pass in the GOP-dominated House of Representatives.

"More than anything in the wake of not just one, not just two, but a series of tragedies, for our reaction to be an expansion of the places where people can feel unsafe, to increase the efficiency of evil, I find that be just a flabbergasting decision to make as a Legislature," said Rep. Stacey Abrams, the Democratic majority leader.

The law may make it easier for judges to check on some mental health issues. Right now, judges can require that people seeking a license authorize the release of treatment records and allow the judge to get a recommendation from treatment providers. Because there is no single clearinghouse for treatment information, judges would have to send waivers to multiple hospitals or treatment centers to get that information.

By contrast, Jasperse's bill would require that courts submit involuntary treatment orders to a database that would be consulted before judges issue licenses to carry weapons. The legislation would also ban people whom law enforcement officials hear making threats against others in the last five years from carrying weapons. Those represented by guardians or conservators because of mental illness or drug abuse would also be disqualified.

One prosecutor said he was concerned about the provision because not everyone with serious mental illness is forced to receive treatment, meaning they would be eligible to carry weapons.

"My concern would be there's got to be people who voluntarily seek inpatient treatment who wouldn't be any less dangerous than if they're sent there involuntarily," Cobb County District Attorney Vic Reynolds said Wednesday.

Federal law prohibits giving or selling guns to anyone who judged to be "mentally defective" or those committed to a mental institution. States set their own standards on who can carry weapons. Some states use the same mental health threshold when deciding whether someone should be prohibited from carrying a gun.

Other states like Georgia have gone further. For example, Massachusetts allows authorities to deny people a license to carry if applicants have been confined for mental health treatment, according to a survey by the National Conference of State Legislatures. Mississippi will deny licenses to people who have been committed, voluntary or otherwise, unless a psychiatrist testifies they have been free of mental illness for five years. Texas considers psychiatric hospitalization grounds for being refused to carry a concealed weapon.

The legislation is backed by GeorgiaCarry.Org, a gun owners group that has been more aggressive about expanding rights to carry weapons in Georgia than the National Rifle Association, which supports a more limited slate of changes.

Jerry Henry, executive director of GeorgiaCarry.Org, said the original law was too restrictive and could, for example, deny a license to military veterans voluntarily seeking help for stress-related disorders.

"If he seeks health treatment on his own it should not be held against him," Henry said.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/07/3272459/ga-debates-relaxing-gun-laws-for.html#storylink=cpy
 

Funky Papa

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Who the fuck even asked for this? Who was sitting at their desk and thought "You know what would be GREAT!? MORE CRAZY PEOPLE WITH GUNS!"
 

commedieu

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This has to be a shit op leaving out a lot of info? Right....

Edit;
Easier for people to carry guns into BARS?

Welp. Im out.
 

Dude Abides

Banned
Makes sense. You shouldn't lose your God-given constitutional right to own 50 guns and thousands of rounds of ammo just because you have depression.
 
People should be encouraged to seek mental help if they need it at the time. Why should they have a constitutional right taken away for merely seeking help of some kind? What other constitutional rights should they be forced to give up? For example, should a drug user who seeks help give up his 4th amendment rights?
And.. Why is this part of the bill ignored here?
"The same bill also attempts to make it easier for officials to check on whether applicants have ever received involuntary treatment."
Those are the people you want to keep guns away from.
This doesn't bother me.
 

sans_pants

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Makes sense. You shouldn't lose your God-given constitutional right to own 50 guns and thousands of rounds of ammo just because you have depression.

heard a guy on patriot radio this morning bitching that they keep guns from criminals and didnt like the "law-abiding gun owners" qualifier lots of politicians are using now
 

Fantasmo

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People should be encouraged to seek mental help if they need it at the time. Why should they have a constitutional right taken away for merely seeking help of some kind? What other constitutional rights should they be forced to give up? For example, should a drug user who seeks help give up his 4th amendment rights?
And.. Why is this part of the bill ignored here?
"The same bill also attempts to make it easier for officials to check on whether applicants have ever received involuntary treatment."
Those are the people you want to keep guns away from.
This doesn't bother me.
Ding ding ding. Try reading the article people.
 

Dude Abides

Banned
People should be encouraged to seek mental help if they need it at the time. Why should they have a constitutional right taken away for merely seeking help of some kind? What other constitutional rights should they be forced to give up? For example, should a drug user who seeks help give up his 4th amendment rights?
And.. Why is this part of the bill ignored here?
"The same bill also attempts to make it easier for officials to check on whether applicants have ever received involuntary treatment."
Those are the people you want to keep guns away from.
This doesn't bother me.

Why should people who have been involuntarily committed at some point in the past and committed no crime be denied their constitutional rights in perpetuity? Sounds like you don't take the Constitution very seriously.
 

SapientWolf

Trucker Sexologist
People should be encouraged to seek mental help if they need it at the time. Why should they have a constitutional right taken away for merely seeking help of some kind? What other constitutional rights should they be forced to give up? For example, should a drug user who seeks help give up his 4th amendment rights?
And.. Why is this part of the bill ignored here?
"The same bill also attempts to make it easier for officials to check on whether applicants have ever received involuntary treatment."
Those are the people you want to keep guns away from.
This doesn't bother me.

"My concern would be there's got to be people who voluntarily seek inpatient treatment who wouldn't be any less dangerous than if they're sent there involuntarily," Cobb County District Attorney Vic Reynolds said Wednesday.
In the same article. Is that not a concern?
 

Dude Abides

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But I didn't say in perpetuity. If someone is deemed stable after treatment, let them go to Walmart and grab as many guns as they want.

Then what is the point of making it easier to see if someone has ever had involuntary treatment at all? There is no "certificate of stability" that you get after psychiatric treatment.
 
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