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State of the Art, Japanese Animation!

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I too got into anime thanks to this 'era' . The earliest things that made me think anime was cool .. well first it was anti gravity room on ytv , they started having a small segment on anime every week. Then YTV aired sailor moon and dragon ball , eventually dragon ball z was on cbs. Around that same time I was buying classic gamefan magazines that started to have a monthly anime section. Not long after this I came across a section in blockbuster video with "youth restricted viewing " cartoons. Funny that most of it was pretty tame (ranma for example) but I must've rented everything on that wall atleast once.

Then we got new cable channels in canada- space and teletoon. Kind of the canadian equivelent of scifi and cartoon networks. Every week they'd air an anime movie so I watched pretty well all of that stuff. Then I discovered an anime convention locally, found out about hobby/comic shops that sold this stuff and started to buy a few tapes.

Suddenly though, around 19/20 years of age my interest level in 95% of this stuff disappeared. I had a computer by then and as with most anime fans I could just download whatever I wanted but after 5 years of hardcore otakuness I started to realize that most of anime was garbage. There was also the secondary caveat- by that time anime had for all intents and purposes become a mainstream nerd hobby- that is instead of being in a tiny elitest clique of nerds I was now part of a giant group where if you liked videogames you probably liked anime. More stuff was on US tv by then as well, mostly aimed at younger audiences but still, it was just an oversaturated hobby. On the plus side that meant buying anime/manga became half as expensive as it started out.

A major example- the 1990's cutey honey OAVs- adv released this series on I think it was 3 vhs tapes, 6 if you count the dubbed version. They were 45 dollars each with only 2 episodes. I owned the lot of them. The dvd release was just 2 dvds subbed and dubbed and they were 30 dollars a pop. Manga that once cost 25 dollars a book was now 8.95 to 11.95.

TL;DR - anyway yeah, the mid to late nineties were a great time for anime because the companies were smaller and only tended to liscense the cream of the crop instead of absolutly everything.
 
ZombieSupaStar said:
i remember really liking the animation in the vampire hunter d sequel, was I just confused or was it pretty good?

Bloodlust? I enjoyed it a lot. Fantastic animation, and a pretty good story.

polyh3dron said:
Oh Streamline how I loved your shitty English dubs.

Cam Clarke FTW, fuck a Jonny Yong Bosch.

I love Cam Clarke's work, but his voice is WAY too noticeable. I just see Leonardo and Liquid Snake every time he voices someone.
 
Actually Baccano! is a pretty good pick for the old school crowd. It's crazy, fast, bloody as hell, non-standard setting for an anime (1930s USA, especially NYC). The kind of thing someone who liked the old school might enjoy from the new school. Especially Ladd "Thank you! Fuck you! A villain has arrived!" Russo. :lol
 
Dabookerman said:
The good old days.

You can always watch the remakes:

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Wicked City and New Dominion Tank Police got me into anime.

thetrin said:
Completely agree with Metatron. There is good stuff out there. It's just that the schlock and flack have to be pushed aside.

Gurren Lagann, most of Darker than Black, Eden of the East and Stranger show that good anime still exists.

With the exception of Stranger which I haven't seen yet I found those series to be pretty mediocre.

I don't think there's been a good year for anime since 2005. Sigh... As I started checking the years most of the series I thought of weren't even from 05.

Monster 04
GitS: SAC 2nd Gig 03
Planetes 03
Mushishi 05
Yugo the Negotiator 04

Every now and then you get a decent series like Speed Grapher or Ergo Proxy but they're not series i'll return to years from now.

The sports genre hasn't let me down though. Capeta, Major, Cross Game, and Over Drive was pretty good.
 
I remember this trailer quite well. Having started anime with stuff like Stablazers (Yamato) and Robotech (Macross) I have seen quite a transition in styles over the years. Sadly it hasn't been for the better. I much prefer the rough and edgy style of the 80's and early 90's.

The last recent shows I truly enjoyed were Gantz, Berserk, and Eureka Seven. Probably because they remind me of earlier anime I have seen. I try to watch the newer shows and am immediately turned off by many of the character designs and humor. Right now I am watching Hokuto No Ken, Votoms, Future Boy Conan, and Legend Of Galactic Heroes. Anime bliss.
 
Speed Grapher was a fucking miserable series. But pretty much all of those others were pretty ace. :D

The only real must see from 2008 I think was Kaiba. Which is decidedly not for everyone.
 
Some of the old stuff are definitely awesome, but there were also a lot of shit.
Today, many studios need to lower the budget, but they still produce some great looking anime. Black Lagoon and Hellsing Ultimate for example.
 
A lot of the problem is exposure to anime. People that say things like "Why isn't it like back in the good old days of Bebop and Evangelion?" don't seem to realize that.... there was a full year year gap between the last episode of Evangelion and the first episode of Bebop. What the fuck do you think people watched in between that time frame?

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OMG, what's happened to the industry since the 90's!?! I miss the good old days!
 
Igo said:
Wicked City and New Dominion Tank Police got me into anime.



With the exception of Stranger which I haven't seen yet I found those series to be pretty mediocre.

I don't think there's been a good year for anime since 2005. Sigh... As I started checking the years most of the series I thought of weren't even from 05.

Monster 04
GitS: SAC 2nd Gig 03
Planetes 03
Mushishi 05
Yugo the Negotiator 04

Every now and then you get a decent series like Speed Grapher or Ergo Proxy but they're not series i'll return to years from now.

The sports genre hasn't let me down though. Capeta, Major, Cross Game, and Over Drive was pretty good.
You think Eden of the East and GL are mediocre? Wow, dude. We can't be friends.
 
Is it possible to start a thread on anime without it devolving into "Anime sucks now and was way cooler in the 1990s, agree or disagree?"

:lol

The problem is, like half the time people are judging entire seasons based on a blurb about the premise, instead of giving shows a chance.
 
I've only recently started following the seasons and this is everything I enjoyed from more or less the last 5 years:

2004
Samurai Champloo

2005
Speed Grapher

2006
Ouran High School Host Club
Haruhi
Code Geass
Paprika

2007
Dennou Coil
5 Centimeters per Second
Baccano!
Gurren Lagann
Sayonara Zetsubo Sensei

2008
Toradora!

2009
Maria + Holic
K-On!
Eden of the East
Tokyo Magnitude 8.0
Bakemonogatari

A good part of this list doesn't fulfill the requirements for what most posters in this thread would consider "good anime" but that doesn't mean it's not quality stuff. All in all I've had enough anime to keep me occupied for the last 2-3 years so I can't complain.

Is it possible to start a thread on anime without it devolving into "Anime sucks now and was way cooler in the 1990s, agree or disagree?"

The problem is, like half the time people are judging entire seasons based on a blurb about the premise, instead of giving shows a chance.
Nope :lol

There's a lot of truth in this. I would've never watched Bakemonogatari based on the Summer '09 anime thread alone. Luckily, a blog I frequent posted some screencaps from the first few minutes of episode 2 *cough* and I knew I had to check it out. So I think the key to enjoying anime these days is to try a little bit of everything.
 
Those of you complaining about how much most anime sucks these days should check out Black Lagoon. It's pretty awesome. It has a pretty good dub, too.

But yeah. Most anime does suck these days.
 
Halycon said:
list by year...

I think i'm going to due this for my own benefit. I've been watching less and less anime since 01. This year the only new series i've completed is Eden I think.
 
Angry Grimace said:
The problem is, like half the time people are judging entire seasons based on a blurb about the premise, instead of giving shows a chance.
I think it's safe to say you don't need more than a blurb for the lion's share of anime.
 
thetrin said:
I mean, that's cool (kinda weird that it makes you angry, though. maybe you should get that checked out) I tend to watch a variety of stuff, and Lucky Star and Azumanga Daioh fall under that. Sure there aren't any guns or people screaming or things blowing up all the time, but it's a great comedy, and also references some great tv shows and movies (including 24, heh).

It's obvious you strongly dislike cute characters. I like both badass and cute characters. It's all good, as long as they're characterized well. It's a shame you can't enjoy Lucky Star, though. It's a damn well written show.



Yep, Crayon Shinchan.

I watched Azumanga, because it wasn't cute. And it was funny because of the unique characters. At the time.. I suppose. It rarely resorted to memes and stuff. Azumanga is excellent, and a very faithful adaptation to the excellent manga. Plus Sakaki has nice big tits.

Last anime I watched was Gurren Lagann. What sold it to me was the shot of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann standing on top of a fucking galaxy. The whole layout of the show was really well done. How they started out in a simple underground village etc. Kamina was also an excellent character, and surprise surprise, it goes a bit downhill after his demise. But it's still entertaining. The animation quality isn't as good as the older stuff.. I dunno, I love the aged look. Plus Yoko has nice big tits.

The only thing I care for right now is Hellsing Ultimate. An awesome perfect adaptation of the badass manga. Can't wait for the rest of the OVAs. Plus Seras Victoria has nice big tits.

I'm very critical on what I watch. I don't have time to scour the new stuff that comes out. I just don't care for it.

In terms of cute stuff, 5cm per second was cute. A very cute story. Loved the detail. Also Satoshi Kon stuff is excellent. As is the Ghibli stuff.
 
Great Rumbler said:
Gundam Unicorn should be coming out pretty soon, for those that are complaining about there not being any awesome anime.

That's the only thing that I am looking forward to... I mean Gundam oo was Gundam Wing again with more political mumbo jumbo thrown at you. >_>
 
Dabookerman said:
The animation quality isn't as good as the older stuff.. I dunno, I love the aged look.
See...this I don't get. Practically the hallmark of old anime is its shit animation quality. That's not even a subjective thing. They used fewer frames of animation, would just put some glaring bright light in instead of a background, and cut corners left and right. That's the anime style Tezuka started, and it took companies like Gainax to start to break non-feature anime out of that mold (and even then, with their notorious budgeting, they're pretty famous for taking drastic cost-cutting measures towards the end of shows). Not that anime series don't still use limited and/or partially limited animation a lot of the time (if not most of the time), but, well, they're a lot better at it than they were. It's like the difference, in terms of just the level of animation, between modern American shows and old Hanna-Barbera cartoons.

Gurren Lagann is the rare Gainax TV series that not only has incredible and stylish animation but actually manages to maintain its high standard all the way through (especially after the tweaks of the DVD version).

I could understand liking the art style of older shows more, that's a subjective aesthetic preference, but saying the "animation quality" isn't as good isn't even an opinion, it's just flat out factually incorrect on a technical level.
 
Cute loli stuff is nothing new to anime, nor is it a new trend. People who actually think so probably don't know much about anime.

Himuro said:
There is like one good anime a year. So I guess 2010's will be Unicorn unless they fuck it up like 00 season 2.
Good thing we're all gamers. :D
 
2007's Mononoke is pretty much superior to everything in the video posted by the OP, Akira notwithstanding.

I also very much prefer Gurren-Lagann to it, but that's irrelevant as Mononoke is clearly the best example of the kind of stuff that people were too afraid of doing in the 80's.
 
i havent kept up with anime in a while but the last few that i really enjoyed were gurren lagann and code geass. the first season of minami-ke was a guilty pleasure of mine too, heh.
 
effingvic said:
i havent kept up with anime in a while but the last few that i really enjoyed were gurren lagann and code geass. the first season of minami-ke was a guilty pleasure of mine too, heh.

Minami-ke really tanked after the first season.
 
Great Rumbler said:
Minami-ke really tanked after the first season.

yeah it really did. its like they two seasons had nothing to do with eachother. i liked the animation from the first one more too. shame, since it was really funny IMO :(
 
I miss the pulp nature of old school anime. Give me Genocyber and Guyver or give me death.

I own all of Gurren-Lagann and with the exception being OVAs, or reissued/re-released stuff or random movies here and there, It'll probably be the last series I buy. Been meaning to grab those Tekkaman Blade collections...
 
Oddly enough I hardly am interested in watching anime at all, but Rotech was the first thing that brought Japan to my thoughts.


Lucky Star looks like something I would like to watch tho. I remember when a good friend of mine, who was semi-into anime and what not introduced Azamanga daiyo to me...

MAF: "You need to check out this anime! It is really funny."

ME: "What is it about?"

MAF: "Well it is about these high school girls..."

ME: "..."

MAF: "NO! its not like that it's really funny! You see there are these high school girls and 1 elementary school girl..."

ME: "..." "..."

MAF: "wait that doesn't sound right..."


He got me to promise watch the first episode and I did and loved it.. now I am a big fan.. of his mangas
 
Every year and season that passes, I find fewer anime released that are watchable, let alone enjoyable. Just watching that clip, it's like, shit, there is so much charm then.

Gundam Unicorn will save us all!

Blackace said:
Oddly enough I hardly am interested in watching anime at all, but Rotech was the first thing that brought Japan to my thoughts.


Lucky Star looks like something I would like to watch tho. I remember when a good friend of mine, who was semi-into anime and what not introduced Azamanga daiyo to me...

MAF: "You need to check out this anime! It is really funny."

ME: "What is it about?"

MAF: "Well it is about these high school girls..."

ME: "..."

MAF: "NO! its not like that it's really funny! You see there are these high school girls and 1 elementary school girl..."

ME: "..." "..."

MAF: "wait that doesn't sound right..."


He got me to promise watch the first episode and I did and loved it.. now I am a big fan.. of his mangas

I enjoyed Azumanga (I actually want Yotsuba to be animated because the manga is really good) but Lucky Star is really bad. Not saying you shouldn't give it a shot, but that's just my experience with the two.
 
Blackace said:
Oddly enough I hardly am interested in watching anime at all, but Rotech was the first thing that brought Japan to my thoughts.


Lucky Star looks like something I would like to watch tho. I remember when a good friend of mine, who was semi-into anime and what not introduced Azamanga daiyo to me...

MAF: "You need to check out this anime! It is really funny."

ME: "What is it about?"

MAF: "Well it is about these high school girls..."

ME: "..."

MAF: "NO! its not like that it's really funny! You see there are these high school girls and 1 elementary school girl..."

ME: "..." "..."

MAF: "wait that doesn't sound right..."


He got me to promise watch the first episode and I did and loved it.. now I am a big fan.. of his mangas

MAF knows his stuff. If he says it's good, then you can believe it.
 
Great Rumbler said:
MAF knows his stuff. If he says it's good, then you can believe it.

I just really don't dig most anime at all anymore. So even most of the "good" ones don't do much for me.
 
I got really into anime back in the early 90´s when my brother subscribed to the Manga Entertainment thing where they would send you like one or two VHS's a month, or something of that sort. Through that, I saw Dominion Tank Police, Akira, Venus Wars, Armitage (later on), Venus Wars, Project A-KO, and a whole slew of other stuff that I don't know the name of... Was never allowed to watch those videos, for fairly obvious reasons, but somehow it was alright for me to watch Predator and T2, huh.

I really need to watch Dominion and Project A-KO again :(

edit: Was this service available in America at the time? We lived in Iceland until '94, so I don't know if it was just a PAL thing or what.
 
eh. The anime of the 80's and 90's were mindless, just like the ones we have today are, except instead of silly harem bullshit we had hyper violent swearing marathons.

I'm quite peculiar about what I sink any time into when it comes to tv shows, and it's very hard to navigate anime recommendation threads because people enjoy different things. I really loved Planetes though so if anyone got any recommendations up that alley I'd be all ears.

I'm currently watching Yakitate!! Japan, which is very similar to Hajime No Ippo - except it's about baking bread instead of boxing. The main character is a natural super talent and stupid as a fucking rock, the supporting cast are all archetypes and there isn't anything special going on with the writing (except for a mountain of japanese language puns that fill my screen with translator notes that are so long I have to pause to read them) or the characters, but it's pretty funny with how incredibly inane and serious the characters are about their bread making.

For instance every time someone eats something delicious they go on a visual tangent like a motherfucker. Some dude ate a croissant and reenacted stepping onto the moon for the first time with a croissant in hand. And another time a group of people flew into space in gundam suits and fought the antagonist on the moon.
 
SoulPlaya said:
WTF happened to anime? It used to be so sophisticated and had such great animation. Was it computer animation that killed it? Everything looks so simple and exactly the same these days.

Ghibli, Cowboy Bebop, Samurai CHamploo are around.

There's still a lot of good stuff around, it's just that we don't watch it anymore :P
 
Igo said:
Over Drive was pretty good.
Someone else who watched it!
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I don't really understand this, Well the 80's and 90's were so much better! While 00's is shit, It's basically my Childhood is better than the current one. I mean about all that has changed has been the trends they follow, and the amount produced.

Just to note a few of the ones I liked quite a bit in 2000's
Twelve Kingdoms, Black Lagoon, Baccano, Gankutsuou, Gurren Lagann, FLCL, Samurai Champloo, OverDrive, Ookiku Furikabutte, Paranioa Agent, Mononoke, Kino's Journey, 5 Centimeters Per Second, GITS SAC 1/2, Seirei no Moribito, OHSHC, and I'm sure I can name a few more.
 
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