I chipped mine. I was so impressed. It took me tossing it by mistake through the air onto rough cobblestone.
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Stephen Elop put in charge of Microsoft games and hardware
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I chipped mine. I was so impressed. It took me tossing it by mistake through the air onto rough cobblestone.
How did one unsubstantiated rumor (which MS has vehemently denied) suddenly turn into "tons of interviews"?
lastflowers
Banned
Still the best.
lumia Icon is one of the first phones since the iphone4/4S to feel fantasmic in my hand.
I'm a biased WPer so take that for what it is
920's helped me get my biceps in shape. I can now curl two of them at once. Took me a year!
Xbox is here for a long long time.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
What they said: Amazon plans to join the gaming business in 2014 with a $299 console.
What they meant: MS will sell the Xbox division to Amazon for pennies on the dollar, who will then sell a subsidized Xbox One with LIVE and Amazon Prime subscriptions.
I mean, they did buy the developer of KI...
What they meant: MS will sell the Xbox division to Amazon for pennies on the dollar, who will then sell a subsidized Xbox One with LIVE and Amazon Prime subscriptions.
I mean, they did buy the developer of KI...
uncledonnie
Banned
People believe what they want to.
Iced_Eagle
Member
Find me a single interview where Elop says either of these things.
Yes, it'll be up to the CEO. There is one thing, though; if Nadella wants to use the next Xbox as a flagship for Azure and make it a set-top box that only works through cloud streaming a la PS Now, I doubt Elop would fight to keep it as a traditional home console. This is the only risk for Xbox in the near future, IMO.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
They'd lose Azure servers or surely would have to pay some sort of fees throughout their use to MS.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
This slightly makes me salty but I don't want to really get into it to much.
Syphon Filter
Member
Why would MS sell it to Amazon?
lastflowers
Banned
The Crimson Kid
what are you waiting for
All this really tells us is that the priority for Microsoft in their Entertainment and Devices division will most likely be on Windows Phones over other initiatives in that division such as Bing and Xbox. Which, from Microsoft's perspective, makes sense to prioritize.
The Windows Phone platform does have some promising prospects for growth that it certainly didn't have a year or two ago, and making a big dent in phones can be insanely big business. And despite how badly Elop did or didn't do at Nokia, he definitely is the guy who has the most management experience with these phones due to his time at Nokia, and that experience is worth a lot versus getting someone new to acquaint themselves with the business when MS can't afford to burn that time. And since Ballmer effectively locked Microsoft into the phone business when he spend $7 billion on Nokia, Microsoft can't afford to do anything but give it their all.
This news alone certainly isn't worth ringing the death bell for Xbox over, although I can see why people are concerned. But until we get some reports of what he actually does, nothing much has definitively changed to put Xbox in a more precarious position than it was yesterday.
The Windows Phone platform does have some promising prospects for growth that it certainly didn't have a year or two ago, and making a big dent in phones can be insanely big business. And despite how badly Elop did or didn't do at Nokia, he definitely is the guy who has the most management experience with these phones due to his time at Nokia, and that experience is worth a lot versus getting someone new to acquaint themselves with the business when MS can't afford to burn that time. And since Ballmer effectively locked Microsoft into the phone business when he spend $7 billion on Nokia, Microsoft can't afford to do anything but give it their all.
This news alone certainly isn't worth ringing the death bell for Xbox over, although I can see why people are concerned. But until we get some reports of what he actually does, nothing much has definitively changed to put Xbox in a more precarious position than it was yesterday.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
Lol, true. Without Xbox they have Phones and Surface, if you look at the Quarterly reports, Xbox keeps that part of the company afloat. If he got rid of that they'd have to confront those bad numbers without the bad black box's shadow hiding them.
N9 is still the best.
I have a N9.
It's pretty good, I prefer a buttonless front screen too, but the OS is really odd. It's very half baked, and had a some speed issues over time that requires reboots. Also, when WebOS is better than your new phone OS, you have a problem. (I also had a HP touchpad running WebOS (which now runs CyanogenMod).
What the hell is going to happen to Xbox? How much control will he have I wonder. Showing up on stage at E3, kind of control? Or we never see him ever again control? Or am I just dumb and I can't read titles and he's now the end all be all for everything Xbox?
Please do get into it. I think this is the thread for doing so.
Tallshortman
Member
Having the most experience at running a mobile business into the ground doesn't mean that's valuable experience.
Chuck Norris
Banned
Well, both Elop and Mattrick have a face that's very punchable.
look at this...
Elop
Mattrick
Look at those bastards. Makes me want to slam my fist in both their faces. smh
Iced_Eagle
Member
Read your own article.
"Elop reportedly..." "Bloomberg suggests..."
Not once in there is a quote from Elop saying any of those things. Bloomberg has some "source" who claims Elop thought about these things.
When asked about it, this was Microsoft's response.
So again, find me a quote where Elop says this. Because all there has ever been was one unnamed Bloomberg source, which is what your article is talking about.
People are crazy if they think MS will shut down either Xbox or Bing.
dreamer3kx
Member
Interesting, xbox price drop and Elop runs things on same day, something is cooking, I smell it.
God, I hope so, that would be awesome.
Pound_lb003
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qizah
Unconfirmed Member
Well...That's unfortunate.
Chuck Norris
Banned
Your logic doesn't follow. Double helix developed Strider as well, does that mean Amazon are going to buy Capcom?
Yoda
Member
You guys are over-reacting. He can't sell the Xbox brand tomorrow, in a week, a month, or even a year. The first thing to consider is the price of unit would be determined by current market conditions. Lets pretend to started looking for a seller right now. The earliest they'd be ready to sell would be sometime this summer (if it was rushed). The Xbox's current forecast isn't good, which would be a negotiating chip for any potential buyer to wheedle down the price. Microsoft at the bare minimum would wanna break even on their investment or at least come close. They need to recoup their R&D costs, NFL deal, and their initial investments into first party titles + 3rd party money hatting. Given the (assumed) weak install base, it'd be hard to find a buyer.
Second, exactly who would buy it? Amazon? I don't think Jeff Bezos wants to develop and sell video games. He'd rather just be a middle man between content creators and consumers (every analyst he approaches will surely tell him he needs SOME first party initiatives). This means upfront costs, while entering a very risky market which has some very low profit to cost ratios. Apple shelved the original Apple TV, and could anyone honestly see them selling an Xbox in the Apple store? Its design is counter to their philosophy of minimalism/simplicity (see Kinect screen gestures and voice commands).
More likely If Elop gets what he wants (he may not) the Xbox division will be spun off into a subsidiary company to stop it from dragging down the much more successful enterprise division. The only negative to this is they lose easy access to the giant corporate accounts, which would at worst result in less 3rd party money-hatting (which is probably better for gamers overall).
This may be the last traditional box console Microsoft releases, but that may not be exclusive to Microsoft alone. I have a feeling if Elop stays until the end of this generation he will be sure that happens.
Second, exactly who would buy it? Amazon? I don't think Jeff Bezos wants to develop and sell video games. He'd rather just be a middle man between content creators and consumers (every analyst he approaches will surely tell him he needs SOME first party initiatives). This means upfront costs, while entering a very risky market which has some very low profit to cost ratios. Apple shelved the original Apple TV, and could anyone honestly see them selling an Xbox in the Apple store? Its design is counter to their philosophy of minimalism/simplicity (see Kinect screen gestures and voice commands).
More likely If Elop gets what he wants (he may not) the Xbox division will be spun off into a subsidiary company to stop it from dragging down the much more successful enterprise division. The only negative to this is they lose easy access to the giant corporate accounts, which would at worst result in less 3rd party money-hatting (which is probably better for gamers overall).
This may be the last traditional box console Microsoft releases, but that may not be exclusive to Microsoft alone. I have a feeling if Elop stays until the end of this generation he will be sure that happens.
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Do you understand primary sources at all? Elop never said it. Read the article, look at the source, look at the sources article, look at what the article actually said. Elop was not quoted. This was probably political maneuvering for stockholder influence.
Okay, I'll shut up, because I know there will be 200 more comments about him saying "LOL Elop wanted to sell Xbox". Lost cause.
Their source is Bloomberg....
Bloomberg said:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...andidate-elop-said-to-mull-windows-shift.html
"the people said" not Elop.
Emphasis mine.
They see something wrong with the division. Whether it's market share or efficiency or something else internal. The division will be shaken up more than Greene could.
Hellsing321
Member
Amazon has their own cloud service. They'd just have to switch everything over to EC2.
None of what you said is true. If the thought of MS spinning off the Xbox division makes you so happy you feel the need to ignore the many posts outlining why there's little chance of that actually happening then so be it. But at least own up to it, because concern trolling is just cowardly.
GoofsterStud
Member
Really... Elop?
Growing, huh?
Windows Phone is 3rd place in a two horse race. Over the past couple of years, it's managed to get a market-share in the US of around 3%. If you look world wide, it's under 1%.
TheRealTalker
Banned
wasn't there at least two threads about these
one being a few weeks ago when Nadella became CEO an another way before
unless he never had full control until now
one being a few weeks ago when Nadella became CEO an another way before
unless he never had full control until now
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Should be Cloud Experience Officer
AuthenticM
Member
Would it really be a bad thing if Microsoft sold Xbox ? Maybe Samsung could handle it better.
This is like the Republicans who blamed Obama for the job losses and tanking economy for the first couple years of his term, even though throughout his entire first term things substantially improved consistently.
Nokia was already in major trouble before Elop took over. This has been Nokia since his actual decisions started taking effect:
i cant believe the nonsense you are writing. You obviously have never heard of Elop effect:
RadarScope1
Member
I would not invest a single dollar in an Xbox product any time soon. Loved my 360 but I'm ramping down my usage and will likely pack it up by 2014's end. Not even thinking about an XB1 after everything that's gone down in the last year.
I try very hard not to be negative here on GAF but this news is hugely disconcerting for MS's gaming fans and consumers. With these two new leaders there's just no telling where the gaming division might head. If buying a console is a type of investment, consider me a classic investor who hates uncertainty.
I try very hard not to be negative here on GAF but this news is hugely disconcerting for MS's gaming fans and consumers. With these two new leaders there's just no telling where the gaming division might head. If buying a console is a type of investment, consider me a classic investor who hates uncertainty.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
There are elements of MS who don't really care for the gaming division, Amazon wouldn't require a massive relocation of manpower in the changeover, Amazon as a company has always been more about marketshare over profit, which is almost perfect business model for a hardware dev. And Amazon would be paying them to use the very Azure servers they set aside for the One.
Edit: To be clear, I'm not saying that it's definitely happening. I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised.
Nightengale
Member
I have a N9.
Haha, I'm not going to suggest that the OS is anywhere near baked. But imo, it remains what I feel to be the single most unified hardware-software experience of any phone.
Design: the way the phone has a tear-drop 'rounded off rectangle' look makes it look somewhat roundish despite being a rectangle, which combines a very elegant look with how the UI is a bunch of 'ovalish' rounds squiggle. Furthermore, every single app design, from the buttons, etc, have the same psuedo-roundish look to them, which leads to the phone->OS->app having a very focused design identity.
UI: The way that the screen shows you the time even when the phone screen is off, the way that design aspect compels you to activate the screen via double-tap, the way the screen's rounded curves completement the way the UI works by swiping from the edges to shift screens, close apps... there was so many design tweaks that really felt like the UI and hardware, and flow of experience to experience was crafted to a logical beauty.
The N9 was a thing of beauty. It was flawed, lacked polish and also many features/apps at the time of launch, but it was also way ahead of the competition in a way that Nokia only could back in the day.
Portugeezer
Member
Nintendo will buy Xbox.
Goldenmoney
Member
Guy wants to kill off Xbox division. Microsoft gives said guy control of Xbox division.
Is this correct or am I missing something?
Is this correct or am I missing something?