chocolate disco
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Has anyone made a joke about Fry and "being fried for eternity" yet?
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Stephen Fry on Confronting God After Death
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Thornton Reed
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People believing in God, to me, is like people thinking that WWF was real. As a child I was none the wiser, but as an adult I look back and can't wrap my head around how it was even a debate amongst grown-ups.
I made a "Ironically, God's reply to Steven Fry would probably be 'Gay? Burn'" joke, but it got nothing. Don't worry, humour is wasted on these people.
Edit: Ho-ly shit. I got 1.
I made a "Ironically, God's reply to Steven Fry would probably be 'Gay? Burn'" joke, but it got nothing. Don't worry, humour is wasted on these people.
Edit: Ho-ly shit. I got 1.
Its truly mind-boggling
Stereogatari
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For me thinking about the void has the opposite effect. Makes me enjoy and appreciate human culture and technology even more since I realise it's all the work of humans.
chocolate disco
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"Its truly mind-boggling" that you guys can't comprehend why people choose to follow religion beliefs.
I guess if i was that way inclined I'd choose a religion that I'd made up myself, rather that one somebody else had made up. That way it could include more naked ladies.
I can, it just doesn't make any sense.
I can understand why; there being an afterlife and a 'God' that has everything under control is a very convenient and safe idea.
chocolate disco
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"You guys" = "Alienous&Log4Grilz"
googleplex
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It's mind boggling the any adult would believe in magical fairytales of any type. I can't take anyone serious that ACTUALLY believes in things like the Virgin birth, Jesus walking of water parting the Red sea, or even the devil.
What's that
Always-honest
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No, we can respect it, but some of us, including me, actually do not understand. I really don't have a clue about why you would even need a religion, let alone actually believing ONE of them is the true one.
But please don't take that as an attack on your way of life. Do what works for you. I'm just saying i do not understand in the slightest.
Like everything and everyone in RTE he very much dislikes SF and in particular Adams.
Again, I would be knowingly about to die again if I were to face the Abrahamic God. I wouldn't be the first nor the last person to be defiant against an entity about to kill them. Unless I'm in some ethereal space and this God is being knowingly deceitful, I believe it would make clear where I was.
And your point about thousands of years of collective logical pondering is moot considering I am not all of humanity, I am myself. Why would I care what most of humanity has thought about a subject, when at one time, most of humanity saw nothing wrong with owning slaves, or beating women?
Unlimited wrath is nothing because, again, if this god is omnipotent, he really wouldn't waste his time judging me unless he already knew the answer. And I would have already experienced death, unless he's going to cast me to hell which would be a given so I certainly wouldn't grovel.
interactivemonodrama
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If you get to be judged by god after you die, he/she already knows what kind of person you really are, so insulting him/her would not really change the outcome which means, criticizing the almighty it is not really out of question.
As a militant atheist, I would question his ability to judge anyway.
Alcoremortis
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I think I'd be so shocked I'd probably panic and just ask God if he ever got a bad tattoo while drunk with his buddies and then used his omnipotent power to make it go away before any of the angels noticed.
Though, asking about Tay-Sachs would probably be my second one. I mean, come on, God! You make a brutal disease that kills babies in agony and then make it most prevalent in your own friggin Chosen People? That seems pretty short-sighted at best.
Though, asking about Tay-Sachs would probably be my second one. I mean, come on, God! You make a brutal disease that kills babies in agony and then make it most prevalent in your own friggin Chosen People? That seems pretty short-sighted at best.
Truly I say to you steviedisco, I shall see you in the kingdom of heaven.
Blue Submarine No. 6
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Mr. Fry is eloquent and correct, imho.
BumblebeeCody
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Scientifically speaking, I can't say 100% there is no God, we can only look at the evidence available, so I don't like to say I am atheist, but I'm 99.999% atheist. I'd probably call myself antithiest as I honestly believe the world would be better without any organised religion, and whatever discoveries were made scientifically by religious scholars would have been discovered eventually regardless.
FalsettoVibe
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Lol at the reaction gif. 
Maninthemirror
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Don't you ever wonder that that you dedicate the life to a creator and stop getting depressed about birth and death as the start and end of yourself ? The more I have prayed the more it's aparent to me that God exists the older I get
Perhaps god indeed is an asshole by our moral criteria, but despite all the misery in the world, god made the universe, and although it is filled with agony and pain, I would argue that its existence compensate for all the injustice we see on our planet, for without the universe, we would never be able to experience life.
Perhaps god operates on a much more complex logic than our mere moral code, which might be pathetic in comparison to god's; thus, gazing at god from our limited moral frame is rather naive. However, it is what we can do, for we do not know any better.
If sadness disappears, happiness will disappear with it. One never feels healthy without knowing illness. One never sees beauty if ugliness has never been seen.
If god exists, is it worth worshiping? I do not know, but "yes" or "no" answers are too simple.
Perhaps god operates on a much more complex logic than our mere moral code, which might be pathetic in comparison to god's; thus, gazing at god from our limited moral frame is rather naive. However, it is what we can do, for we do not know any better.
If sadness disappears, happiness will disappear with it. One never feels healthy without knowing illness. One never sees beauty if ugliness has never been seen.
If god exists, is it worth worshiping? I do not know, but "yes" or "no" answers are too simple.
So, basically, "God works in mysterious ways"? What a convenient excuse for his ass-hattery. I couldn't appreciate a peaceful existence without hearing about children being flung around by tornadoes to give me context? Could I ever really feel happy if a good person isn't diagnosed with cancer every once in awhile?
TheChocolateWar
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God works in mysterious ways is a perfectly fine counterpart to your fallacious parade of horribles.
You would not know what peace is without knowing what the opposite is. Nice strawman in the first sentence.
Nah. If there was a God he's dead now and we're spiraling around the sun with just ourselves.
Ok, I'm glad God is making examples out of people to remind us all how good we have it. And I'm dispelling the existence of the magical strawman you're introducing into the debate.
TheChocolateWar
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Someone has been reading Zarathustra. Nietzche never put a good argument forward aside from "I'm a jaded old man one step short of bukowski"
i don't think Stephen would really do that
i think if i met god i would just be sad for the same reasons that stephen gave but if he was some chilled deity and clearly not just some arsehole i would just want answers the accusations would come later after i heard what was up. i think it would just be hugely upsetting unless they weren't all powerful anyway.
thats not going to happen because it is clear we made up god but if it did it would suck
i think if i met god i would just be sad for the same reasons that stephen gave but if he was some chilled deity and clearly not just some arsehole i would just want answers the accusations would come later after i heard what was up. i think it would just be hugely upsetting unless they weren't all powerful anyway.
thats not going to happen because it is clear we made up god but if it did it would suck
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
We created God in our imagine and imbued him with whatever traits we see as noble. When confronted with the juxtaposition of such a God in a world like this we turn to whatever silly logic we need to fill in the plotholes.
How mysterious that the apparent "traits" of God gradually change over the thousands of years as society changes. Kind of like they're a reflection of that particular society and nothing more.
TheChocolateWar
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Perhaps this calls merely for a new trait; omniadaptability.
Yes it's so obvious there's an all knowing God.
Now 'scuse me whilst I go watch someone randomly get their head chopped off with a small knife in his/her/whoever name on the news to remind me how great this bearded magic cloud individual is.
Anyone got any spare Virgins?
Oppo
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A weirdly honest admission. you tell yourself stories to make yourself feel better about mortality. I think we all get that. we just don't all need to do it.
I don't really become depressed considering what else matters? Dying is not some terrible thing, it is simply going to sleep. Nothing's bad about my existence ending after a set time, as everything has an end. Besides, why would I want to end up in some "eternal heaven" as a slave to a God against homosexuality and dissent?
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If Month Python is to be believed, heaven has one hell of a topless cabaret act. And it's Christmas every day. Possibly worth the homophobia... Maybe
Curious. What is this void you speak of?
bengraven
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Oh god that's fantastic.
I wonder why most people react with shock, sadness, anger etc. to death close to them or even of the death of strangers? Why do people fear murderers, violence etc.?
Since most people are also religious and supposedly believe in a pleasant after life, this makes no sense. Wouldn't dying be a good thing?
Seems to me like people's bodies and instincts are more honest than they are.
Since most people are also religious and supposedly believe in a pleasant after life, this makes no sense. Wouldn't dying be a good thing?
Seems to me like people's bodies and instincts are more honest than they are.
Yeah sorry, if you're trying to defend the concept of a god, you lose all right to complain about fallacy. Fallacy is literally the bedrock upon which your arguments rest.
Bull. Shit.
Do adults seriously believe and repeat this nonsense?
I assume he means oblivion. But since its really nothingness that you wont be aware because your dead, I dont see what there is to be worried about.
TheChocolateWar
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First off, I am not a religious man. Second, do you not find it hypocritical that atheists base most of their arguments on fallacious grounds? I am the igtheist or iterative skeptic, holding you both accountable.
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