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WanderingWind said:
I understand I hurt your feelings. Take it to PM though. I'm done embarrsing you in public, bud.
I wasn't talking to you specifically most of the time. I'm not sure why I should PM you, you've got little to add to the topic, seeing as you don't seem to be capable to fully articulate your initial counter argument to date, so you might want to do that first. All you've said was "No, you're dumb, we mourn people when they die, stop posting" with more words, which is useless. You didn't even understand what I was saying. That might be rooted in my linguistic incompetence. That frustrates me to a degree, yes. But what can you do.
 
Not shocked. :/

I'm not a fan of apple, but the man deserves credit. He changed the way we see computers, as well as changed the way we view CG movies (Pixar and what not) and probably a lot of other stuff.

Rest in Peace Steve, you will be missed.
 
WanderingWind said:
Cool. We're not mourning the passing of a philathropist. We're mourning the death of a tech and business visionary. We don't judge musicians by the metric of saints, nor the passing of school teachers by tyrants. Don't confuse recognition of impact with deificatlon, as some other intellectually challenged folks in this thread have done. Remember, your resources are considrably more vast than most of the world. How would we judge you as a world savior? Let people be recalled for what they did, and not what they didn't do.

You're better than that.
Like i said earlier, the amount of resources and influence someone like Steve Jobs had does not come along often and its a shame, imo, that things went the way they did.
 
Atramental said:
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water_wendi said:
Like i said earlier, the amount of resources and influence someone like Steve Jobs had does not come along often and its a shame, imo, that things went the way they did.

Why don't you just suck it up and not shit up the thread with how philanthropic you expected certain people to be now that they're dead.
 
All you guys should cherish the past few years. When your grandkids will ask you about the legends of our time. You will remember. When your kids will see his videos they will admire him but you can tell them that you were witness to his greatness. To those lucky enough to have worked for him or meet him you can tell him you were witness in person to his genius. Cherish those moments and remember them. You and I are all the lucky ones. He did not invent things, he made you use them, cherish them and fall in love with them. He inspired a lot of products you and I use today. Cherish this moment, you will be proud of it when your grandkids ask you about the man who changed technology forever.
 
water_wendi said:
Like i said earlier, the amount of resources and influence someone like Steve Jobs had does not come along often and its a shame, imo, that things went the way they did.

What the hell do you want out of us? For us to stop giving him praise for what he did because of what he didn't do publicly?
 
I just stumbled on a great video of Steve at WWDC from 1997. In his off-the-cuff response to an attendee disgruntled about Apple's open source position, Steve lays out several key strategies that eventually turned the company around.

Video link here, really really cool stuff.
 
Eteric Rice said:
Not shocked. :/

I'm not a fan of apple, but the man deserves credit. He changed the way we see computers, as well as changed the way we view CG movies (Pixar and what not) and probably a lot of other stuff.

Rest in Peace Steve, you will be missed.
No, he helped give pixar the opportunity to change the way we view CG movies. Pixar isn't great because of Steve Jobs, it exists because of him.
 
entrement said:
The DRM was part of the terms with the recording industry. It was how they were able to set up the iTMS.

As Apple got more leverage with labels, they were able to abolish DRM entirely.


what ever you want to believe .


Apple still uses DRM to this day and it certianly helped them keeping users locked in to their platform. Now that they have 90% of the DD music market they can scale back on drm .,


I'm also sure apple loves the fact that they can charge you to upgrade your music to DRM free versions of the song .
 
Bryan1321 said:
Amazing read

Ive never seen this text before, for me (19 years old) its kind of a cold water shower, especially the part of death and dots, its all about confidence....

Damn, RIP Steve, ill take the advice
Yeah, I'm old as dirt, but I still find it good advice.

On a related note:

http://skeptoid.com/blog/2011/10/05/a-lesson-in-treating-illness/
I’m sad that today I’m adding a slide to one of my live presentations, adding Steve Jobs to the list of famous people who died treating terminal diseases with woo rather than with medicine.

Seven or eight years ago, the news broke that Steve Jobs had been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, but considering it a private matter, he delayed in informing Apple’s board, and Apple’s board delayed in informing the shareholders. So what. The only delay that really mattered was that Steve, it turned out, had been treating his pancreatic cancer with a special diet and other alternative therapies, prescribed by his naturopath.

Most pancreatic cancers are aggressive and always terminal, but Steve was lucky (if you can call it that) and had a rare form called an islet cell neuroendocrine tumor, which is actually quite treatable with excellent survival rates — if caught soon enough. The median survival is about a decade, but it depends on how soon it’s removed surgically. Steve caught his very early, and should have expected to survive much longer than a decade. Unfortunately Steve relied on a naturopathic diet instead of early surgery. There is no evidence that diet has any effect on islet cell carcinoma. As he dieted for nine months, the tumor progressed, and took him from the high end to the low end of the survival rate.

Eventually it became clear to all involved that his alternative therapy wasn’t working, and from then on, by all accounts, Steve aggressively threw money at the best that medical science could offer. But it was too late. He had a Whipple procedure. He had a liver transplant. And then he died, all too young.

My whole family loves Apple devices. Steve made our lives better, and I think I can say that pragmatically and without any Apple heroin in my veins. Note only that, he created my profession.

His lifelong friend Bill Gates tweeted:

For those of us lucky enough to get to work with Steve, it’s been an insanely great honor. I will miss Steve immensely. b-gat.es/qHXDsU

I saw another tweet today from @DamonLindelof that I thought was beautifully worded:

Steve Jobs. On behalf of every dreamer sitting in his or her garage who is crazy enough to try to change the world, you will be missed.

We can’t say for sure that Steve would still be alive and making lives better were it not for the alternative therapy, but the statistics suggest it very strongly. If you insist on unproven therapies, fine; but also try the proven ones. Nobody likes to either write or read a post such as this one.

Didn't know that about the diet stuff. Alternative medicine shit has killed too many people by keeping them away from real medicine.
 
Man... I do not own any Apple products nor I personally care about Apple or Steve Jobs himself but...

Anyone is entitled to dislike the man or Apple all you want, really, but if you are a part of that group at the very least you should refrain yourself on making snide remarks/vilifying the man in a thread specifically dedicated to honor the man's achievements. He may not be a perfect man but no one should deny his influence and achievements that have affected the lives of so many around the world.

To use the news of a person's death to spread an agenda is.... I don't know any other words more appropriate for this than "pathetic."

It's like someone screaming all the bad points of a person during the funeral of said person when all the family members are still around.

It's called TACT and being a decent human being. A simple concept that an adult person should be able to easily grasp.
 
Fatalah said:
I just stumbled on a great video of Steve at WWDC from 1997. In his off-the-cuff response to an attendee disgruntled about Apple's open source position, Steve lays out several key strategies that eventually turned the company around.

Video link here, really really cool stuff.
The full version of this 1997 WWDC speech is amazing. He predicts almost everything that happened in computing in the last decade. He called every single bit of it. Cloud computing, the Internet becoming the biggest thing in the world, etc.

The thing about Steve Jobs is that he doesn't just talk about what he envisions. He has his company make it.
 
eastmen said:
what ever you want to believe .


Apple still uses DRM to this day and it certianly helped them keeping users locked in to their platform. Now that they have 90% of the DD music market they can scale back on drm .,


I'm also sure apple loves the fact that they can charge you to upgrade your music to DRM free versions of the song .


Yea, screw Apple, they still use DRM on movies. That's why I use Sony, MS, and Amazon for my DD movies as they don't use DRM..... Oh wait.....
 
AlphaTwo00 said:
Nope. Not me at least. I wanted the source of that pic.
well maybe i saw a post that got deleted? i cant say for sure it was yours since i didn't note the posters username.

but it was right above Devolution's last post.
 
While I think most of Apple's products are pieces of shit (though the iPad is pretty nifty), he definitely left his mark on the electronics world.

Planned obsolescence. Yearly "upgrades". Focus on simplicity and form rather than function.

He created markets where there were none and helped turn a company around to rival Microsoft.

Ipods still suck, BUT, I can't deny he left a lasting impact and I hope he rests in peace.

And I hope people stop relying on alternative medicine too... :P
 
Brian Lam (former Gizmodo writer at the center of the stolen iPhone 4 nonsense) just wrote a beautiful and classy post on the whole scandal and his conversations with Jobs. I know how some people people feel about anything even tangentially related to Gawker around here, so it's quoted in full below.
Brian Lam said:
Steve Jobs Was Always Kind to Me (Or, Regrets of an Asshole)

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I met Steve Jobs while I worked at Gizmodo. He was always a gentleman. Steve liked me and he liked Gizmodo. And I liked him back. Some of my friends who I used to work with at Gizmodo refer to those days as the Good Old Days. That is because those were the days before it all went to shit. That was before we got the iPhone 4 prototype.

***

The first time I met Steve was at the infamous D conference where Walt Mossberg interviewed Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. Ryan Block was editor of Engadget and it was a pretty fierce competition. Ryan was a veteran, and I was just getting my legs under me. It was lunchtime, and Ryan saw Jobs–he ran up and said hello. A minute later, I gathered up the courage and did the same.

From a 2007 Gizmodo post:

Meeting Steve Jobs

I bumped into Steve Jobs in the hall a little while ago, on the way to lunch at All Things D.

He's taller than I thought he would be, and pretty tanned. Hawaii. I go to introduce myself and then think that he's probably busy and doesn't want to be mobbed. I go get some salad, think that its my job to be at least a little aggressive with these things, so I put down my plate, and I finally squeeze by the crowd to introduce myself. No banter, just wanted to say hi, I'm Brian from Gizmodo. And you made the iPod, right? (I didn't say that second part.)

Then Steve got really excited and happy.

And he tells me that he reads the site. Actually, 3-4 times a day, since it doesn't sit still for very long. I told him that I appreciate the clicks, and that I'll keep buying iPods if he keeps clicking. It's his favorite gadget blog. It was a really, really nice moment. His face scrunched up with genuine excitement. I must have looked like one of those gals front row at a Beatles concert, as much as I tried to be "professional."

Because honestly, I thought the guy would be totally worked up about Jesus's awesome Photoshops of Steve Jobs. The man has a sense of humor.

It was an honor to have a man who is extremely focused on quality and doing things in his own way approve of our work here. Especially with all the typos I make on a daily basis.

***

A few years later, I remember emailing him to show him early versions of the Gawker redesign. He didn't really like it. But he liked us. "most of the time."

"From: Steve Jobs <sjobs@apple.com>

Subject: Re: Gizmodo on iPad

Date: March 31, 2010 6:00:56 PM PDT

To: brian lam <blam@gizmodo.com>

Brian,

Parts of it I like, and other parts I don't understand. I'm not sure the "information density" is high enough for you and your brand. Seems a bit too tame to me. I'll look for it this weekend and be able to give you some more useful feedback after that.

I like what you guys do most of the time, and am a daily reader.

Steve

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 31, 2010, at 1:06 PM, brian lam <blam@gizmodo.com> wrote:

Here you go, a rough sketch. Should be launched, as the standard face of Gizmodo, by the 3g's launch. What it's meant to do is be friendlier to scan for the 97% of our readers who don't come every day…"

***

Around the same time, Jobs was shopping around the iPad to publishers, trying to get them to adopt the iPad as a platform, and Jobs would repeatedly, according to friends in the room at several publications, bring up Gizmodo as an example of a magazine-like experience online.

I don't ever think I was comfortable with the idea that Jobs or anyone at Apple, like Jon Ive, was reading our work. It was scrappy, sloppy, inspired, mainstream-ish, and in general, experimental in nature. It was, frankly, embarrassing to have people who were obsessed with perfection reading something that was designed to be imperfect but alive and flowing. It was also firmly anti-establishment, like Apple used to be.

But Apple was winning and was starting to become the Establishment. I knew it was only a matter of time before we collided. Getting bigger is sometimes hard, I was about to find out.

***

I was on sabbatical when Jason got his hands on the iPhone prototype.

An hour after the story went live, the phone rang and the number was from Apple HQ. I figured it was someone from the PR team. It was not.

"Hi, this is Steve. I really want my phone back."

He wasn't demanding. He was asking. And he was charming and he was funny. I was half-naked, just getting back from surfing, but I managed to keep my shit together.



"I appreciate you had your fun with our phone and I'm not mad at you, I'm mad at the sales guy who lost it. But we need the phone back because we can't let it fall into the wrong hands."

I thought, maybe its already in the wrong hands?

He continued, "There are two ways we can do this. I can send someone to pick up the phone–"

Me: "I don't have it"

"–But you know someone who does…or we can send someone with legal papers, and I don't want to do that."

He was giving us an easy way out.

I told him I had to talk to my dudes. Before he hung up, he asked me, "What do you think of it?"

I said, "It's beautiful."

***

The next call, I told him we'd give him his phone back. He said, "Great, where do we send someone?" And I replied that before we talked about that, we needed to talk about the conditions: we needed Apple to claim it as theirs, which is what we saw as the right legal process for claiming goods that had been lost. He said he didn't want to claim it on record because it would affect sales of the current model. He said, "you're asking me to shoot my toes off!" Maybe it was about the money, but maybe it wasn't. I got the feeling that he just didn't want to be told what to do, and I didn't want to be told what to do, either. Especially by someone who I was supposed to be covering. Plus, I was sort of in a position to tell Steve Jobs what to do, and I was going to take it.

This time, he was not happy. He had to talk to some people, so we hung up again.

When he called me back, the first thing he said was, "Hey Brian, it's YOUR NEW BEST FAVORITE PERSON IN THE WORLD."

I laughed and so did he. Then, he sharply pivoted and said, "So what's it gonna be?"

I gave it to him straight: "If you don't want to give us the letter claiming it, I guess it's going to be papers. It doesn't matter because one way or another we'll get our confirmation that it is yours."

He did not like that. Steve said, "This is some serious shit. If I have to serve you papers, and go through the trouble of it, I'm coming for something and its going to mean someone in your organization will go to jail."

I told him we didn't know anything about the phone being stolen, and we intended to give it back, but we needed Apple to claim it. Then I said I'd go to jail for this story. And then he realized I wasn't going to budge.

Then things got a little bit uglier, and dicier, and I don't want to get into that stuff on a day like today because my point is that he is a beautiful and fair man and probably not used to not getting his way and he was clearly not getting his way on this day. Everyone has things that make them angry. My point is coming up.

Steve called me back, with a cold tone in his voice, saying he would send a note claiming the device. The last thing I said to him was "Steve, I just wanted to say that I like my job, and its exciting sometimes, but sometimes we have to do things that are difficult and what some might consider parasitic, with regards to reporting on health. And things like this."

I told him I love Apple, but I have to do what's right for the public and readers. I was trying to hide the fact that I was sad.

He replied, "You're just doing your job." And he said it in the kindest way possible. Which made me feel better and worse.

This was the last time Steve would be kind to me.

***

I'd walked around justifying how things went down for weeks after that. One day, a veteran reporter friend of mine and I were talking about the situation. At some point he asked me if I realized, irrespective of right or wrong, that we'd caused Apple a lot of trouble. I paused, and thought about Apple and Steve for a little bit, and all the designers and hard working people who built the phone. I said, "Yes." I started to justify it as the right thing for the readers, and then I stopped. And I just kept thinking about Apple and Steve and how they felt. And thats when I knew my heart was not proud.

I will not regret things professionally. The scoop was big. People loved it. If I could do it again, I'd do the first story about the phone again.

But I probably would have given the phone back without asking for the letter. And I would have done the story about the engineer who lost it with more compassion and without naming him. Steve said we'd had our fun and we had the first story but we were being greedy. And he was right. We were. It was sore winning. And we were also being short sighted. And, sometimes, I wish we never found that phone at all. That is basically the only way this could have been painless. But that's life. Sometimes there's no easy way out.

I thought about the dilemma every day for about a year and half. It caused me a lot of grief, and stopped writing almost entirely. It made my spirit weak. Three weeks ago, I felt like I had had enough. I wrote my apology letter to Steve.



"From: brian lam <blam@thescuttlefish.com>

Subject: Hey Steve

Date: September 14, 2011 12:31:04 PM PDT

To: Steve Jobs <sjobs@apple.com>



Steve, a few months have passed since all that iphone 4 stuff went down, and I just wanted to say that I wish things happened differently. I probably should have quit right after the first story was published for several different reasons. I didn't know how to say that without throwing my team under the bus, so I didn't. Now I've learned it's better to lose a job I don't believe in any more than to do it well and keep it just for that sake.



I'm sorry for the problems I caused you.



B

"

***

Young Steve Jobs was known for being unforgiving to those who betrayed him. But a few days ago I'd heard from a person very close to him that "it was all water under the bridge." I never expected to get a response and I never did. But after sending that I forgave myself. And my writer's block lifted.

I just feel lucky I had the chance to tell a kind man that I was sorry for being an asshole before it was too late.
 
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