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[Stabby McSter]

What amazing thread. It starts off so happy and then the game is released and... wow. I'm glad I didn't jump on the sale so now I can enjoy the thread without getting depressed

this is the worst day ever for me

 

[kamspy]

Why don't they make just make a youtube viral of JAW pissing on all the classic Oddworld game boxes. It might cost them less to produce, and the end result would be the same.

 

[Ninja Moomin]

Isn't that the studio with the CEO who's currently trolling GAF?

chill out gregor. it's christmas.

 

[Lord Error]

That's not the impression I'm getting from their comments.

I was joking, but the state of affairs does indicate something like that to be honest. Even if it was true, of course they wouldn't be talking about it.

I agree, there's a pretty big leap with 2D gravity based shooter to a full fledged 3D world game, but Gravity Crash was a really solid game technically, rock solid 60FPS/1080p with pretty nice visuals, suggesting someone there at least must be very competent.

 

[old manatee]

The PC port of Stranger was all their work, yes and it currently stands as the worst port on the PC in the last decade.

After I bought Resident Evil 4 pc I promised myself I wasn't going to get punked like that again. It was cunning of them to drop it on the first day of the Steam sale for 50% off. :lol

 

[SturokBGD]

I wouldn't put too much faith in the PS3 version just because of Gravity Crash either, guys.

Gravity Crash is the kind of game a bedroom coder could throw together with nothing but sheer talent and do well with, just like a thousand other cool little indie games that are out there. Development of a game like Stranger's Wrath is whole other ballgame, it's the sort of game that requires a real studio behind it. I joked in the PC thread that these guys are like a bunch of kids who somehow got hold of a PS3 dev kit, but the more I see, the more I think that might not be too far from the truth...

EDIT: this post is a lie, sorry. There are small indie devs out there that can easily wipe the floor with what J.A.W have done with Stranger's Wrath.

 

[gregor7777]

Even if it was true, of course they wouldn't be talking about it..

Have you read that thread? They've done quite a bit of talking about the situation over there.

chill out gregor. it's christmas.

How would you like to find a broken game under the tree? And then your mother tells you to stop being a ninja.

 

[Stabby McSter]

After I bought Resident Evil 4 pc I promised myself I wasn't going to get punked like that again. It was cunning of them to drop it on the first day of the Steam sale for 50% off. :lol

well at least re4 pc RAN

 

[SturokBGD]

How would you like to find a broken game under the tree?

Way to go, OddBoxx. You ruined christmas.

:lol

 

[Lord Error]

Have you read that thread? They've done quite a bit of talking about the situation over there.

Yeah, I've read it, but he didn't exactly say that they have a top team of industry leading PC developers cracking on it either. What I mean, even if their PC dev group is miniscule and ignored in comparison, of course a CEO wouldn't want to present the situation that way. Moreover he did sound like they are more console centric with his comments of him being a console gamer and whatnot.

 

[StuBurns]

I think there's a real chance they don't give a fuck about the PC ports so they didn't put much effort in it. For all we know they're really working on the PSN version and they were told they need to just get SW running on PC asap so one guy did it on his laptop.

They claim to have not known it was crap because they didn't test it on a number of stations. That excuse will not stand with the PS3, if it's fucked for us, it's fucked for them.

I really think they just don't give a fuck about the PC version.

 

[gregor7777]

Yeah, I've read it, but he didn't exactly say that they have a top team of industry leading PC developers cracking on it either. What I mean, even if their PC dev group is miniscule and ignored in comparison, of course a CEO wouldn't want to present the situation that way. Moreover he did sound like they are more console centric with his comments of him being a console gamer and whatnot.

I really think they just don't give a fuck about the PC version.

And any of that BS should be comforting to people hoping to buy games from them in the future? :lol

 

[SapientWolf]

On one side, it does suck Just Add Water is getting destroyed. On the second side, they brought all the negativity on themselves by scamming PC gamers out of money with an unfinished, unpolished product. Their only way to save face now is to stop talking about how they will fix the game and just go do it. This negativity could be long lasting even if they do fix it. The PSN version needs to be a home run on day one.

I wouldn't be so sure. I've seen PC gamers sing the praises of games with worse launches. I think people just want the shit fixed.

 

[Darklord]

After I bought Resident Evil 4 pc I promised myself I wasn't going to get punked like that again. It was cunning of them to drop it on the first day of the Steam sale for 50% off. :lol

It's only $12 but I want it back. And I'm a giant Oddworld fan.

 

[SturokBGD]

I wouldn't be so sure. I've seen PC gamers sing the praises of games with worse launches. I think people just want the shit fixed.

That's not quite all that's going on here. People wanted shit fixed, no big deal. Then their "CEO" posted some chaff on GAF, Steam and Twitter. It was downhill from there.

This is clearly not a professional shop these guys are running.

 

[StuBurns]

And any of that BS should be comforting to people hoping to buy games from them in the future? :lol

Well what does it matter? If the PS3 version is perfect people shouldn't buy it because they fucked over a different audience?

 

[Lord Error]

And any of that BS should be comforting to people hoping to buy games from them in the future? :lol

Welp, I'm basing my expectations for them on Gravity Crash when it comes to PS3, and on this terrible port when it comes to PC. This may of course change when the PS3 Stranger comes out - and I don't think I'll be buying it before I read some comments about it here.

 

[gregor7777]

Well what does it matter? If the PS3 version is perfect people shouldn't buy it because they fucked over a different audience?

I try not to give money to companies that willfully "fucked over a different audience". So yeah, for me it does matter. No judgments on others though, I can understand people having different opinions on the matter.

 

[Teknoman]

I wouldn't be so sure. I've seen PC gamers sing the praises of games with worse launches. I think people just want the shit fixed.

This.

 

[Roxas]

the fucking cheek on them :lol

 

[StuBurns]

I try not to give money to companies that willfully "fucked over a different audience". So yeah, for me it does matter. No judgments on others though, I can understand people having different opinions on the matter.

So you don't buy any games from any companies that have made bad SKUs? Which is all of the major third parties without question.

 

[MikeE21286]

These people are fucked in the head if they think they're seeing another cent of my money.

Yeah, there's literally ZERO chance of me buying this

 

[SturokBGD]

So you don't buy any games from any companies that have made bad SKUs? Which is all of the major third parties without question.

Mmm... this is actually tricky but interesting question!

I think people are more forgiving when the blame is clearly on the publisher. For example, I drowned my Stranger's Wrath sorrows last night by playing the PC ports of Burnout Paradise and Tomb Raider Underworld. Now there's how you port a game to PC! Both games are stunning. Except for one glaring flaw; DLC got shut down or doesn't exist for both of them. I don't feel like that's Criterion or Crystal Dynamic's fault, though - the work they were able to make available to us is amazing, so if they can continue to offer me a quality product in future, even with this kind of publisher meddling, I'll go for it.

In this case, we've taken abuse straight from the mouth of the CEO of the developer, to my knowledge there's been no publisher involvement in any of this nonsense. This is straight up bad development and a NeoGAF/Twitter account in the wrong hands.

 

[Stampy]

Mmm... this is actually tricky but interesting question!

I think people are more forgiving when the blame is clearly on the publisher. For example, I drowned my Stranger's Wrath sorrows last night by playing the PC ports of Burnout Paradise and Tomb Raider Underworld. Now there's how you port a game to PC! Both games are stunning. Except for one glaring flaw; DLC got shut down or doesn't exist for both of them. I don't feel like that's Criterion or Crystal Dynamic's fault, though - the work they were able to make available to us is amazing, so if they can continue to offer me a quality product in future, even with this kind of publisher meddling, I'll go for it.

In this case, we've taken abuse straight from the mouth of the CEO of the developer, to my knowledge there's been no publisher involvement in any of this nonsense. This is straight up bad development and a NeoGAF/Twitter account in the wrong hands.

You are over-dramatizing his involvement on the net. Okay, the guy is not born to be a PR expert, and he certainly seems to be a bit naive, honestly stating what comes to his mind. But saying that he was abusing anyone with his comment, is just going too far.

 

[SturokBGD]

You are over-dramatizing his involvement on the net. Okay, the guy is not born to be a PR expert, and he certainly seems to be a bit naive, honestly stating what comes to his mind. But saying that he was abusing anyone with his comment, is just going too far.

He called me a ninja, dude. A ninja. I'm more of a samurai.

 

[ghst]

someone with a psn account really needs to go to town on the comments section of that blog. it's the dude from JAW's alamo.

 

[StuBurns]

The guy lacked tact no question, someone should have been standing over his shoulder and torn him away from the computer before he posted, but ultimately I don't think he was trying to be a twat or anything, more aloof I'd say.

 

[SolidusDave]

Yeah, there's literally ZERO chance of me buying this

I don't get the logic behind this. Did I miss all PC and 360 users boycotting "insert random multiplatform game that had a bad PS3 port"?


PSN version wwill hopefully be great, but it looks like they put some real effort into it (Move, graphics upgrade etc.). Currently a sure buy for me.

 

[SapientWolf]

That's not quite all that's going on here. People wanted shit fixed, no big deal. Then their "CEO" posted some chaff on GAF, Steam and Twitter. It was downhill from there.

This is clearly not a professional shop these guys are running.

I must have missed that chapter of the drama. Have any choice quotes?

 

[Revolutionary]

someone with a psn account really needs to go to town on the comments section of that blog. it's the dude from JAW's alamo.

I tried to bait him into responding about it earlier but he ignored it. I guess he's wisened up since yesterday.

 

[brain_stew]

I don't get the logic behind this. Did I miss all PC and 360 users boycotting "insert random multiplatform game that had a bad PS3 port"?


PSN version wwill hopefully be great, but it looks like they put some real effort into it (Move, graphics upgrade etc.). Currently a sure buy for me.

There's reasonable justification for a PS3 port to perform slightly worse than its 360 counterpart since getting those systems on par takes serious investment and a whole new approach to game development. There's absolutely no justification for an Xbox port to be more demanding than Crysis.

 

[StuBurns]

There's reasonable justification for a PS3 port to perform slightly worse than its 360 counterpart since getting those systems on par takes serious investment and a whole new approach to game development. There's absolutely no justification for an Xbox port to be more demanding than Crysis.

What about if the budget and development time were virtually nothing? If it was "just get it running now"?

I'm not saying the devs didn't fuck up more than any other port in history, I certainly don't know enough to discuss the work on any sort of technical level, but to say there is no possible justification doesn't seem fair to me.

 

[brain_stew]

What about if the budget and development time were virtually nothing? If it was "just get it running now"?

I'm not saying the devs didn't fuck up more than any other port in history, I certainly don't know enough to discuss the work on any sort of technical level, but to say there is no possible justification doesn't seem fair to me.

This isn't freeware. This is a game with a $15 price tag. It needs to be held to the exact same standards, its not the buying consumers fault that not enough cash and resources were devoted to the port. If the product isn't fit for market, it shouldn't be sold.

I don't think expecting more than the worst port of the decade is particularly demanding. Other games have been ported to the PC by a single developer and delivered (much) better results.

 

[StuBurns]

This isn't freeware. This is a game with a $15 price tag. It needs to be held to the exact same standards, its not the buying consumers fault that not enough cash and resources were devoted to the port. If the product isn't fit for market, it shouldn't be sold.

I don't think expecting more than the worst port of the decade is particularly demanding. Other games have been ported to the PC by a single developer and delivered (much) better results.

I fully agree, but that doesn't factually place the blame on JAW to me (of course it might do given more info about the contract), it could be the publisher not providing resources required in terms of time or money.

 

[SturokBGD]

I don't get the logic behind this. Did I miss all PC and 360 users boycotting "insert random multiplatform game that had a bad PS3 port"?

I can absolutely 100% guarantee you that even the worst port job on PS3 is nowhere near close to the abomination that is Stranger's Wrath on PC. Nowhere near close at all.

I must have missed that chapter of the drama. Have any choice quotes?

I'm posting on my phone now so this is taking too long, but someone just quoted some of the best of it over in the other thread. There's a bunch of crap on their Twitter, too.

 

[kamspy]

I fully agree, but that doesn't factually place the blame on JAW to me

Well who the hell else would you blame?

"This carpenter sold me a wobbly table!"

"Blame the lumber jack!"

?

 

[StuBurns]

Well who the hell else would you blame?

"This carpenter sold me a wobbly table!"

"Blame the lumber jack!"

?

I wouldn't blame the carpenter if he was given twenty minutes to make it.

 

[Lothars]

I can absolutely 100% guarantee you that even the worst port job on PS3 is nowhere near close to the abomination that is Stranger's Wrath on PC. Nowhere near close at all.


I'm posting on my phone now so this is taking too long, but someone just quoted some of the best of it over in the other thread. There's a bunch of crap on their Twitter, too.

It's not that bad of a port, it's not a good port by any means but I have seen worst ports, I definitely can understand why people are upset but to say it's the worst port ever is nonsense.

 

[duckroll]

It's not that bad of a port, it's not a good port by any means but I have seen worst ports, I definitely can understand why people are upset but to say it's the worst port ever is nonsense.

So which PS3 ports are worse? I'm actually curious.

 

[Yoboman]

BTW the other thread is hilarious.
...and pathetic.

Amazing!

HAHAHAHAHAHA wow. Is that real?

 

[Maffis]

Even with the PC-screw up, I can't wait for the PSN release.

 

[Jangaroo]

It's not that bad of a port, it's not a good port by any means but I have seen worst ports, I definitely can understand why people are upset but to say it's the worst port ever is nonsense.

Are you kidding me? I can't think of any PS3 port on the top of my head that performs worse than this game. I mean, Assassin's Creed 1 was pretty darn terrible but not JAW level's of bad.

 

[brain_stew]

It's not that bad of a port, it's not a good port by any means but I have seen worst ports, I definitely can understand why people are upset but to say it's the worst port ever is nonsense.

Like what?

Saints Row 2 looks like a gift from the heavens compared to this.

Its performing worse on GPU hardware more than 100x faster than NV2A with the only change being a small bump in rendering resolution.

There's no way to select specific resolutions.

No way to configure controls.

No graphics options.

No mouse support in the menus.

No keyboard lol) support in the menu screens.

Stacks of bugs.

The ingame hints give the wrong button icons.

The keyboard config info screen was created in MS Paint.

There's no MSAA support with no way of forcing it.

There's no AF support with no way of forcing it.

No official widescreen support.

Graphical glitches galore.

 

[MikeE21286]

I wouldn't blame the carpenter if he was given twenty minutes to make it.

But why sign the contract if you know you can't deliver in the time allotted?

 

[SturokBGD]

It's not that bad of a port, it's not a good port by any means but I have seen worst ports, I definitely can understand why people are upset but to say it's the worst port ever is nonsense.

Never mind the PS3, name a console to PC port made in the last 5 years that's as bad as Strangers Wrath. Bonus points if you can name one that also has menu screens made in MS paint.

Honesty, even Saints Row 2 runs better than this, and that port is so bad even Volition won't touch it.... and Stranger's Wrath was an Xbox 1 game, too, not a port of a complex open-world 360 game.

 

[Lothars]

So which PS3 ports are worse? I'm actually curious.

I wasn't actually thinking of PS3 ports in my post, sorry I was actually refering to PC ports of console games.

sorry I should have quoted another message.

But I would quote Saints Row 2 as a just as bad PC port if not resident evil 4.

 

[SapientWolf]

Like what?

Saints Row 2 looks like a gift from the heavens compared to this. Its performing worse on GPU hardware more than 100x faster than NV2A with the only change being a small bump in rendering resolution.

That's only because 3rd parties fixed the W7 speed-up bug. Otherwise, it would be completely unplayable for the majority of Steam owners.

 

[kamspy]

I wouldn't blame the carpenter if he was given twenty minutes to make it.

Are you Swiss or something?:lol

Look at the horizontal line at the bottom of the mouse buttons in the control screen. It's not even fucking straight.

EDIT: Diagram

 

[SturokBGD]

That's only because 3rd parties fixed the W7 speed-up bug. Otherwise, it would be completely unplayable for the majority of Steam owners.

Aaah, but that's different. Windows 7 is not a supported OS for Saint's Row 2. It didn't exist when SR2 was made.

 

[Poimandres]

I think everyone here is going WAY overboard with the hate.

The updated models look good, the game is good. There's reason to be skeptical about the port given the current debacle, but straight up dismissing this seems... presumptuous.

They've promised to fix the issues with the PC version, so why the free flowing hate? Clearly the CEO doesn't grasp the mindset of PC gamers, but it seems more of a misunderstanding than anything.

Being pissed about a barely working port I can understand. Blacklisting a developer for stuffing up a port on launch seems a little extreme.