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[Majukun]

https://www.psypost.org/2022/06/sex...emale-players-according-to-new-research-63388

I invite you to check the whole article... Tried to make a summary but pretty much every part is important. I myself will try to look for the complete study when I'm back from work.

The belief seems to be as much rooted in reality as the one that sees fps creating school shooters.

I precise that the author of the study doesn't say that better representation of female characters is not good, just that the supposed direct harm that sexualization will have on the brain of players just isn't supported by data.

 

[DragoonWalker]

Is there a way to view the study linked in the article beyond the abstract? The thing that makes studies so often unreliable is sample size, sample selection, failure to address or account for dishonestly, and other real world factors.

I mean I don't know why to this day anyone could still argue over this. It's simple: video games are a just another medium which may or may not influence a person's views depending on their upbringing, their education, their innate mental and psychological qualities, the amount of exposure, the state and age during which they were exposed, what exactly they were exposed to and how much resonance it might have with them depending on how it relates to their lives. A moment in a video game that one person will never remember again might be a moment another will never forget; the sex and violence which can be easy escapism to one bored but otherwise healthy kid can be the trigger to a child from a troubled home.

The problem with blaming video games is the problem with blaming any one thing for our social ills, it's never so simple, our world is just such a scared and confused place people want an easy target to point fingers, like with everything really. The institutions (family, social circles, education, corporations that own it all, media outlets with no integrity) are never held to the same scrutiny when they should be and are the ones with the greatest influence.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

My brain confirms this things

 

[Fredrik]

I don’t understand the original argument. I googled misogyny and now I’m even more confused. I don’t understand how highlighting the female form could make someone hate women. Isn’t it more likely that it’ll get you to love, cherish, praise women? Where’s the hate coming from? Can you develop a hate for women by seeing good looking women in pretty dresses or bikinis or yoga pants or whatever in real life too?

 

[ZehDon]

This isn't really a surprise. The basic hypothesis of "video game causes [x undesirable] behaviour" had more than few holes through it when people tried to say video games violence. Now we're at "video games cause misogyny". Can't wait to see what gets tested next.

 

[Paulistano]

I thought politics was banned here.

 

[winjer]

I could swear that women weren't allowed to vote in the XIX century, because all men were playing misogynistic videogames.

 

[FunkMiller]

Video games, like movies and TV before them, gets blamed for all sorts of shit, because it’s easier that actually tackling the real problems.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

It is mainly ugly women who are complaining about that.

 

[Outlier]

I would assume that the only people who would draw assumptions/expectations of others through video game characters likely hasn't had any real social experiences.

 

[AncientOrigin]

I don’t understand the original argument. I googled misogyny and now I’m even more confused. I don’t understand how highlighting the female form could make someone hate women. Isn’t it more likely that it’ll get you to love, cherish, praise women? Where’s the hate coming from? Can you develop a hate for women by seeing good looking women in pretty dresses or bikinis or yoga pants or whatever in real life too?

Yes let me explain it to you or try to explain it.The man who hate women or dislike some or lots of them are man who didn’t get much chance from them but it’s their own fault.Example You know every man would love to be like with a woman who looks like Megan Fox but these women know how desired they are and how they look and man wants them so these women have all the options for man in this world.From Sports Star to doctors to artists and so on now the everage man comes has nothing achieved is no one looks average or below they also want to be with them but they totally get ghosted ignored and these man don’t learn to search for a woman who is in their category they always try to go for the absolutely beautiful model Typs or beautiful and smart ones so they always get ignored.They develop hate for women because they never got the chance from women who they wanted and they become angry and bitter over time and when you speak with them over women they get angry insult.They must learn to find someone who is up their standards.A women like Megan fox why when she has opportunity to be with a successful good looking doctor who speak 5 languages why would she choose a guy working at McDonald’s is average looking nothing else why would she is she dumb.When you have the opportunity to choose from a fiat pand a Mercedes c class a Porsche and a Bentley which idiot on this planet would say I take the fiat panda.These men develop dislikes for pretty women because they don’t get the chance with them.People often tend to hate things that are out of their reach or they don’t have what it takes to get their.That’s why fat people hate often on people with great body who worked hard in the gym but they are to lazy to move so they try to take them down with dumb comments like yeah has good body but probably dumb as a stone or with steroids I would look the same and so on.So long answer short yes men can hate dislike pretty women.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

We need more threads like this one. Always good to ground the discussion in scientific evidence and research.

 

[Skifi28]

Yes let me explain it to you or try to explain it.The man who hate women or dislike some or lots of them are man who didn’t get much chance from them but it’s their own fault.Example You know every man would love to be like with a woman who looks like Megan Fox but these women know how desired they are and how they look and man wants them so these women have all the options for man in this world.From Sports Star to doctors to artists and so on now the everage man comes has nothing achieved is no one looks average or below they also want to be with them but they totally get ghosted ignored and these man don’t learn to search for a woman who is in their category they always try to go for the absolutely beautiful model Typs or beautiful and smart ones so they always get ignored.They develop hate for women because they never got the chance from women who they wanted and they become angry and bitter over time and when you speak with them over women they get angry insult.They must learn to find someone who is up their standards.A women like Megan fox why when she has opportunity to be with a successful good looking doctor who speak 5 languages why would she choose a guy working at McDonald’s is average looking nothing else why would she is she dumb.When you have the opportunity to choose from a fiat pand a Mercedes c class a Porsche and a Bentley which idiot on this planet would say I take the fiat panda.These men develop dislikes for pretty women because they don’t get the chance with them.People often tend to hate things that are out of their reach or they don’t have what it takes to get their.That’s why fat people hate often on people with great body who worked hard in the gym but they are to lazy to move so they try to take them down with dumb comments like yeah has good body but probably dumb as a stone or with steroids I would look the same and so on.So long answer short yes men can hate dislike pretty women.

 

[AncientOrigin]

Got a bit long

 

[strange headache]

Spoiler: This is how she runs around these days btw.

 

[Fredrik]

Yes let me explain it to you or try to explain it.The man who hate women or dislike some or lots of them are man who didn’t get much chance from them but it’s their own fault.Example You know every man would love to be like with a woman who looks like Megan Fox but these women know how desired they are and how they look and man wants them so these women have all the options for man in this world.From Sports Star to doctors to artists and so on now the everage man comes has nothing achieved is no one looks average or below they also want to be with them but they totally get ghosted ignored and these man don’t learn to search for a woman who is in their category they always try to go for the absolutely beautiful model Typs or beautiful and smart ones so they always get ignored.They develop hate for women because they never got the chance from women who they wanted and they become angry and bitter over time and when you speak with them over women they get angry insult.They must learn to find someone who is up their standards.A women like Megan fox why when she has opportunity to be with a successful good looking doctor who speak 5 languages why would she choose a guy working at McDonald’s is average looking nothing else why would she is she dumb.When you have the opportunity to choose from a fiat pand a Mercedes c class a Porsche and a Bentley which idiot on this planet would say I take the fiat panda.These men develop dislikes for pretty women because they don’t get the chance with them.People often tend to hate things that are out of their reach or they don’t have what it takes to get their.That’s why fat people hate often on people with great body who worked hard in the gym but they are to lazy to move so they try to take them down with dumb comments like yeah has good body but probably dumb as a stone or with steroids I would look the same and so on.So long answer short yes men can hate dislike pretty women.

Okay…

So in short researchers should focus on study how a mind gets affected if a person is ugly and jealous and not what happens if they play sexy video games?

 

[GymWolf]

Okay…

So in short researchers should focus on study how a mind gets affected if a person is ugly and jealous and not what happens if they play sexy video games?

Researchers seems to have a lot of free time to do these stupid ass studies when the premise is already super retarded.

 

[gela94]

Is there a way to view the study linked in the article beyond the abstract? The thing that makes studies so often unreliable is sample size, sample selection, failure to address or account for dishonestly, and other real world factors.

I mean I don't know why to this day anyone could still argue over this. It's simple: video games are a just another medium which may or may not influence a person's views depending on their upbringing, their education, their innate mental and psychological qualities, the amount of exposure, the state and age during which they were exposed, what exactly they were exposed to and how much resonance it might have with them depending on how it relates to their lives. A moment in a video game that one person will never remember again might be a moment another will never forget; the sex and violence which can be easy escapism to one bored but otherwise healthy kid can be the trigger to a child from a troubled home.

The problem with blaming video games is the problem with blaming any one thing for our social ills, it's never so simple, our world is just such a scared and confused place people want an easy target to point fingers, like with everything really. The institutions (family, social circles, education, corporations that own it all, media outlets with no integrity) are never held to the same scrutiny when they should be and are the ones with the greatest influence.

Here it is https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0747563222001637

 

[AncientOrigin]

Okay…

So in short researchers should focus on study how a mind gets affected if a person is ugly and jealous and not what happens if they play sexy video games?

Yes but there are lots of different kind of people on this planet I could imagine that someone also gets affected from a videogame or a song from a Movie I don’t know.

 

[Rykan]

I thought politics was banned here.

This isn't really a political topic though.

 

[Knightime_X]

this sounds like some REEEEEEEE horseshit.
take it there and flake it up

 

[Fredrik]

Yes but there are lots of different kind of people on this planet I could imagine that someone also gets affected from a videogame or a song from a Movie I don’t know.

Okay but it has nothing to do with gaming, you’re just writing about a jealous person who aimed to get Megan Fox but couldn’t get her and are angry at those who could. Could have any hobby.

 

[YCoCg]

Spoiler: This is how she runs around these days btw

She became a Jersey Shore lawyer?

 

[Portugeezer]

I don’t understand the original argument. I googled misogyny and now I’m even more confused. I don’t understand how highlighting the female form could make someone hate women. Isn’t it more likely that it’ll get you to love, cherish, praise women? Where’s the hate coming from? Can you develop a hate for women by seeing good looking women in pretty dresses or bikinis or yoga pants or whatever in real life too?

The word has lost its meaning. It is usually used in place of "sexism".

 

[RainblowDash]

This has been known for more than a decade honestly

 

[Graciaus]

I want the woman and men to be hot in video games though.

"Female characters are often attractive and scantily clad in video games (although there appears to be a decline in this trend over time)"

Blame the western soy boys for that.

 

[nush]

he thing that makes studies so often unreliable is sample size, sample selection, failure to address or account for dishonestly, and other real world factors.

The link provided absolutely covers that point.

"“The major caveat is simply that many of the studies just aren’t very good,” Ferguson said. “The good news is that the higher quality studies were less likely to find evidence for negative effects than lower quality studies. In some cases, scholars probably interjected their personal moral opinions into the studies, if unintentionally. Granted it’s still a fairly small research area, but this initial data has been so underwhelming that I’m not sure there’s much to be mined here.”"

Which has always been my issue with "Videogames are bad" studies, tiny sample size and agenda.

 

[mxbison]

Well the most and worst mysoginy is usually in rural areas of India or extremist religious countries.

I don't think we needed a study to know it's not caused by video games.

 

[Skifi28]

You can play videogames and hate women just fine without the two being related.

 

[Topher]

"In some cases, scholars probably interjected their personal moral opinions into the studies, if unintentionally. "

So.....be wary of "studies".

 

[Deerock71]

That would assume nerds can approach girls that aren't their moms to be misogynistic, so it was a flawed premise from the start.

 

[ANDS]

Is there a way to view the study linked in the article beyond the abstract? The thing that makes studies so often unreliable is sample size, sample selection, failure to address or account for dishonestly, and other real world factors.

There is no one-size fits all for studies, even though I see these comment all the time regarding studies (usually as a pre-emptive cudgel to dismiss undesirable conclusions).

To the thread at large, for anyone who is curious, the study itself is a meta-analysis of previous studies (very common) that was looking at specifically the impact of sexualization in gaming, where most studies in this area focus on violence. Their three primary questions were: "Overall, what are the effect sizes for game sexualization and player well-being and sexism/misogyny", "Is there publication bias in the literature" and "Are issues related to citation bias and methodological best practices related to effect sizes in this domain." The takeaway that this article is concerned about (and that, in my opinion, the OP overstates) is from the first question. Another key takeaway, that isn't in this thread is the authors criticism of the body of work on this issue in general in that it has simply not been researched well, and if it is, best practices weren't up to the practices they used.

So, yes, let's celebrate that causally there's no evidence that DOA has rotted gamers attitudes towards themselves or towards women, but it also isn't suggested you shouldn't feel embarrassed for wanting RIVET to have C-cups (and you should be).

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Spoiler: This is how she runs around these days btw.

In what Universe is this the "male fantasy"?

 

[Duchess]

Awesome! So, if Lollypop Chainsaw does get a remaster, we can just direct everyone to this article!

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Researchers seems to have a lot of free time to do these stupid ass studies when the premise is already super retarded.

I dont know how much these academic researchers get paid, but surely arent doing it for free. Someone is paying them.

Youd be amazed how high it costs to get basic market research data from companies like NPD and AC Neilson. And most of that data is just numbers with no analytical context. If you want fancy PPT charts and analysis provided, it's even more.

At least companies pay for it with a known purpose.

A lot of academic studies seem to have zero purpose except some guy lying on his bed thinking of a random topic to look into.

 

[ManaByte]

 

[STARSBarry]

So, yes, let's celebrate that causally there's no evidence that DOA has rotted gamers attitudes towards themselves or towards women, but it also isn't suggested you shouldn't feel embarrassed for wanting RIVET to have C-cups (and you should be).

Yeah I mean why would you even go for such an average cup size, go big or go home, G cup or bust.

 

[Rush2112]

funny how triple porn isnt suspect of being misogynistic but we need studies to tell us that ms pacman is ok.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

funny how triple porn isnt suspect of being misogynistic but we need studies to tell us that ms pacman is ok.

Because all the do-gooders know they'd lose the battle fighting against pornos, sex in movies and sex mags. Everyone loves sex. And no matter how bad it looks in a movie, it's the pornstars choice to do it. So deep down nobody would fight it. I'd bet half the people acting like saints are total pigs in their personal lives.

But for video games, lots of people dont play games. So they have no problem gunning for negative causes and links.

 

[radewagon]

I don’t understand the original argument. I googled misogyny and now I’m even more confused. I don’t understand how highlighting the female form could make someone hate women. Isn’t it more likely that it’ll get you to love, cherish, praise women? Where’s the hate coming from? Can you develop a hate for women by seeing good looking women in pretty dresses or bikinis or yoga pants or whatever in real life too?

I would imagine that the argument could be that (keep in mind, i'm just spitballing here. I have no evidence that this argument is actually used):

Consuming too much media that reduces women to objects could make one start to consider them to simply be objects in the real world.

But, yeah, that would be just as silly as the violence arguments. Misogyny is awful and should be addressed, but I don't really see videogames as being the cause. I'd imagine that someone's friends, family, politics, and religion are the most important factors here. I hope the data in this study is sound because I hate it when videogames are scapegoated for things. Like, the number of times I hear people blame videogames for kids doing poorly in school. It's like they don't know that the kids getting A's are also playing videogames.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

But, yeah, that would be just as silly as the violence arguments. Misogyny is awful and should be addressed, but I don't really see videogames as being the cause. I'd imagine that someone's friends, family, politics, and religion are the most important factors here. I hope the data in this study is sound because I hate it when videogames are scapegoated for things. Like, the number of times I hear people blame videogames for kids doing poorly in school. It's like they don't know that the kids getting A's are also playing videogames.

Gaming has grown like gangbusters the past 20 years. Way more than population growth.

So if gaming is that bad for the general public, crime should be exponentially going up due to everyone playing shooters and Grand Theft Auto. And with everyone checking out porn on the net, rape and bad attitudes towards women should also be off the charts since the internet became the norm.

 

[justiceiro]

I thought politics was banned here.

Don't confuse politics with actual science.

 

[DeepEnigma]

This isn't really a surprise. The basic hypothesis of "video game causes [x undesirable] behaviour" had more than few holes through it when people tried to say video games violence. Now we're at "video games cause misogyny". Can't wait to see what gets tested next.

"Videogames make you a bigoted and racist CIS white male!"

 

[DeepEnigma]

Spoiler: This is how she runs around these days btw.

You just got to love how men have tricked women into thinking that revealing more of themselves is "empowerment." The ultimate 4DD chesst play.

Men stay winning.

 

[Swift_Star]

I don’t understand the original argument. I googled misogyny and now I’m even more confused. I don’t understand how highlighting the female form could make someone hate women. Isn’t it more likely that it’ll get you to love, cherish, praise women? Where’s the hate coming from? Can you develop a hate for women by seeing good looking women in pretty dresses or bikinis or yoga pants or whatever in real life too?

It should be the other way around.
Women are sexualized in games because of mysoginy. I think the premise is flawed.
Anyway, this thread will quickly devolve into political discourse.

 

[GymWolf]

"Videogames make you a bigoted and racist CIS white male!"

True, i was a black feminist before trying a commodore 64.

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

I think you meant to post this on your Reeeeeeee account OP

 

[daffyduck]

"Videogames make you a bigoted and racist CIS white male!"

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

When you have the opportunity to choose from a fiat pand a Mercedes c class a Porsche and a Bentley which idiot on this planet would say I take the fiat panda.

Cheaper insurance, more kilometers per liter, cheaper spare parts and repairs, can actually park it in European cities.

BTW, I hate women.

 

[yurinka]

You don't need an study to know that, it's common sense.

You must be retarded or a brainwashed weird woke cult member to consider that "sexualization in videogames" causes mysoginy.

It should be the other way around.
Women are sexualized in games because of mysoginy. I think the premise is flawed.
Anyway, this thread will quickly devolve into political discourse.

No, sexy women in games, comics, movies, tv shows, ads, photogaphy, paintings or sculpture aren't there becacuse of mysoginy. They are there because of beauty ideals. They are shown in that way because they are cool and beautiful, attractive not (only) in a sexual way for both the artist and the (non woke) viewer.

Women are "sexualized" in art because artists prefer to draw attractive, cool and beautiful characters. And people prefer to watch beatiful, cool and attractive characters than ugly ones. Same goes with male caracters: in art they tend to be handsome, young and muscular or athletic.

Isn't (only) related with sexuality. I want characters like Kratos, Nathan Drake or Ryu from to be gigachads, alpha males. Not a bald, ugly, fat guy. Because they are cool and an appealing fantasy, not because the artists or me are misandric or gays.

Obviously no, to make Nathan Drake or Lara Croft ugly won't fix misandry or misoginy, in the same way than to make them attractive doesn't cause misandry or misoginy or is misandric or misoginistic.