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[Manbig]

But regardless....Tekken never took itself fully super serious. SO the whole premise of this thread is a bit flawed on that note anyway

There have been many posts in this thread that already explained why this is complete bullshit, especially my last one.

The only things that people keep bringing up are "lol robots, kangaroos, bears, and fighting dinosaurs!" which is completely glossing over what the majority of the game was about at one point.

 

[Mik317]

Almost every ending in T2 is super serious, even thought T3 had some gag endings, i think T2 was the one played the most serious

Paul punches through a rock avalanche. Heihachi throws Kazuya into a volcano, Paul can't flip, Kuma, Alex and Roger....and while I think its cool as shit, Yoshimitsu helicoptering Dr.B looks silly as shit too..

Its play the most serious...but not super serious. The added more lively characters that can be placed in wackier situations more easily over time but that is the cost of expanding your cast....you can only have so many super serious types after all.

 

[Zukuu]

Tekken peaked creatively with T4.

I remember after seeing the King ending, coming up with a 'dark' King storyline idea where he ended up actually going through with killing Marduk once he was back to health, turning alcoholic and being found brawling in Fight Club style tournaments, eventually descending far enough to be hired by Kazuya as a bodyguard. Then Julia (for the sake of giving her more purpose than 'THE TREES!', as well the Chang/Williams-Kings connection from earlier Tekkens), expounds upon her wrestling style and dons a female jaguar mask and enters the next tournament anonymously for the sake of slapping King back to his senses.

Funnily enough, seems they did later put Julia in a female wrestler mask, but I doubt it was for any reason at least matching what I came up with as a direct result of being inspired by Tekken 4.

Tekken peaked with T4 in every aspect imo.

 

[eyeball_kid]

I don't think the change has anything to do with being serious or not. But since Tekken 6 there has been anime pandering with characters like Alisa, Bob, Lars, and Lucky Chloe. It may be the only way to continue the franchise with declining sales in the FG genre, but these characters don't feel like Tekken characters from a design POV.

 

[FallingEdge]

Tekken is still one of the most technical fighters. I find it harder to play then VF. Movement just doesn't click for me.

 

[Mik317]

we have reached the "damn that anime pandering" stage of the thread I see.

took long enough.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Paul punches through a rock avalanche. Heihachi throws Kazuya into a volcano, Paul can't flip, Kuma, Alex and Roger....and while I think its cool as shit, Yoshimitsu helicoptering Dr.B looks silly as shit too..

Its play the most serious...but not super serious. The added more lively characters that can be placed in wackier situations more easily over time but that is the cost of expanding your cast....you can only have so many super serious types after all.

Uh, but that is the power level of the fighters, that doesn't mean paul punching through a rock avalanche or heichachi throwing kazuya into a volcano isn't serious. That is the most serious, that last example. Same with yoshimitsu helping doctor B. That is not played for laughs or gags.

Paul not flipping was a light joke and those animals, were all palletet swaps besides kuma

we have reached the "damn that anime pandering" stage of the thread I see.

took long enough.

I don't see how its a problem..i do think that the quality of the presentation has gone down significantly, but not enough to blame the ever mystic and incorporeal 'anime'

 

[Nightii]

we have reached the "damn that anime pandering" stage of the thread I see.

took long enough.

It was there from the beginning, just had to let it simmer a bit.

It's funny because the Mishimas and their hairstyles weren't enough to warn people of what they were getting into lol.

 

[Manbig]

Tekken peaked with T4 in every aspect imo.

Hell no. That gameplay and voice acting was trash.

It was certainly great to see them take such a big risk with a popular franchise though.

 

[Sayah]

Tekken 4, for the most part, took itself very serious. It pretty much was the high point in the series as far as story. The problem was that all of the gameplay changes turned a lot of the fanbase off to it. Unfortunately the Tekken team took the criticism to mean that fabs hated every single aspect of Tekken 4 rather than just a few things. This is why we go from Paul's fantastic story of seeking redemption in pary 4, to challenging aliens like an absolute dumbass in part 5.

Or how about the blood feud between Marduk and King taking that turn in part 5 where Marduk beats uo Anna, and carries her unconscious body away while saying "I always get what I want!"

Yeah, Tekken's story and character design has really gone down the toilet in the past few games.

This. So much this.
Tekken needs a return to form in terms of story and character design.

 

[Palculator]

 

[Success]

this game right?

a bear fighting a robot in a baseball stadium

loool, this pic killed me.
Tekken was never serious to begin with.

 

[Inuhanyou]

HE"S TRYING TO HELP THE CHURCH CHILDREN! Come on you can't say you didn't shed a tear

Hell no. That gameplay and voice acting was trash.

It was certainly great to see them take such a big risk with a popular franchise though.

"I do not WEESH to fite" Jin's Japanese voice actor trying to do full on english is almost as hilarious as the completely out of place english voice actor they picked for Hwoarang

 

[Nightii]

HE"S TRYING TO HELP THE CHURCH CHILDREN! Come on you can't say you didn't shed a tear

I sure did, in fact, I would say I was SERIOUSLY moved.

From laughter.

 

[Manbig]

we have reached the "damn that anime pandering" stage of the thread I see.

took long enough.

That was brought up on page 1.

 

[TheSpoiler]

I wouldn't say the story has gotten worse. If anything, characters are far more fleshed out while still keeping a darker tone that's always carried itself through the games. Like Jin. That dude set off a world war and killed thousands of people, and T6 has a good portion of the cast gunning for him. Ling herself literally only wanted a damn theme park from Hei and just happened to be Jin's classmate. That's it.

You may not like what she is now (running after Jin), but at least they gave her depth. Sure, Paul getting gipped on his Ogre fight and Law becoming a joke is such bullshit, but the tone of the story is largely the same.

On the topic of the actual gameplay, nah, EVO showed me that despite having supers, it works wildly different. It's okay for a game to have a very gracing inspiration from other games so long as they do it differently. And you aren't going to play T7 with Rage Arts like you play SFV with CAs. Funny you should mention matchups, because T7 is a helluva lot more balanced than 1 or 2, and probably 3 all things considered.

 

[Platy]

WiiU Tekken is awesome BECAUSE of the weird shit like Tekken Ball and Mushrooms !

 

[Bergerac]

https://aww.moe/342da1.gif

The shitty animation of his face is what's funny. It has nothing to do with the tone of the scene. If anything the scene points to seriousness.

 

[ZeroX03]

The shitty animation of his face is what's funny. It has nothing to do with the tone of the scene. If anything the scene points to seriousness.

It's a man in a jaguar mask... in a shirt and tie... in a trench coat... giving Christmas presents to little children.

 

[SOR5]

 

[Sayah]

This is also true.

Tekken Tag Tournament for example has one of the best soundtracks ever while the Tekken games nowadays have soundtracks that are forgettable and generic.

Nope. I'll disagree here.

Just from Tekken 7:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkMfl2hLYLQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um8BtEMJ3ck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n3HggYgVY4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baKVkvKHZ5c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyjZx0idu8E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL2iYoyVyk8

 

[Inuhanyou]

I sure did, in fact, I would say I was SERIOUSLY moved.

From laughter.

Some people just don't have a heart full of compassion for a man wearing a feline mask

 

[Palculator]

The shitty animation of his face is what's funny. It has nothing to do with the tone of the scene. If anything the scene points to seriousness.

It's camp. It might be playing at being serious, but it's really not. Intent is irrelevant.

Not shitting on Tekken, by the way. That's exactly how I like it.

 

[Manbig]

It's a man in a jaguar mask... in a shirt and tie... in a trench coat... giving Christmas presents to little children.

Based on the old Tiger Mask anime/story where a masked professional wrestler raised money for a children's orphanage through his professional wrestling earnings, which in of itself is based on a true story that is about to get a live action movie.

 

[ZeroX03]

Based on the old Tiger Mask anime/story where a masked professional wrestler raised money for a children's orphanage through his professional wrestling earnings, which in of itself is based on a true story that is about to get a live action movie.

If you put a person in a Jaguar mask outside of the ring, there's going to be an inherently goofy quality to it no matter what.

Especially if he fights a kangaroo, robot, ninja and bear on the way to success.

 

[JayEH]

Based on the old Tiger Mask anime/story where a masked professional wrestler raised money for a children's orphanage through his professional wrestling earnings, which in of itself is based on a true story that is about to get a live action movie.

Nacho Libre is also based on this and is a comedy.

 

[Talonz]

I always considered Virtua Fighter the serious 3D Fighter whereas Tekken was just a little random in characters.

 

[Manbig]

If you put a person in a Jaguar mask outside of the ring, there's going to be an inherently goofy quality to it no matter what.

A masked professional wrestler was (is still?) a member of Japan's parliament. He kept his mask on the whole time.

 

[ZeroX03]

A masked professional wrestler was (is still?) a member of Japan's parliament. He kept his mask on the whole time.

And it still looks goofy. Just because people do serious things in silly masks doesn't change that the mask is still silly. Presumably they're at peace with the fact that they're taken a little less seriously as a result.

 

[MikeBreezy92]

Tekken peaked with T4 in every aspect imo.

Hell no....

Only thing Tekken 4 succeeded it was its art

Gameplay has only really improved generally speaking.

 

[AAK]

Yeah, Tekken has definitely gone into the deep end for me personally.

This is the height of stupidity you can have on King in Tekken 4

Now look at the Carnival of Stupid it has become in Tekken 7:

And that half naked Asian lady in the bikini is supposed to be Jin's grandmother.

The worst part is how Namco doesn't let you disable all the insanity customs for those that want to take the game a little more seriously. Thankfully there is a PC version this time around. I still adore the gameplay and will still end up playing. But I can't deny its aesthetics and atmosphere are a far cry of what it used to be in the PS1 - early PS2 era.

 

[Palculator]

And it still looks goofy. Just because people do serious things in silly masks doesn't change that the mask is still silly. Presumably they're at peace with the fact that they're taken a little less seriously as a result.

Yeah, that looks incredibly goofy, lol. I didn't know about this until now. And much like saying Tekken can be pretty ridiculous isn't saying it's a bad game/story, I'm not saying this to say he's bad at his job.

 

[Manbig]

Nacho Libre is also based on this and is a comedy.

Which is a change to the intent of the original story, which is supposed to be positive and feel good, like that King ending, despite the early PS1 shitty animation making it look extra goofy.

And it still looks goofy. Just because people do serious things in silly masks doesn't change that the mask is still silly. Presumably they're at peace with the fact that they're taken a little less seriously as a result.

They might be, but tgat doesn't change the intent. Much like how someone might dress up as Batman or Spiderman to visit sick kids, a guy dressed up as a masked pro wrestler, which to kids might as well also count as a super hero, is anything but goofy in tone unless you want to look at it in a cynical way.

 

[Momentary]

But those lasted a few seconds. Not like the mess the rage and bound mechanism brought (combined with walls and multi-stages). And those 10+ second combos are VERY common, too.

But what I don't get is that those people that complain about juggles also complain about pokes, not letting them get up from the ground, throws, parrying, yadda yadda. These are also the same people who who sent me death threats on ps3 and 360 versions of Tekken 6.

 

[eyeball_kid]

we have reached the "damn that anime pandering" stage of the thread I see.

took long enough.

Well, whether or not 'pandering' is the appropriate word to use, the character designs for Alisa and Lucky Chloe don't fit in with the design aesthetic of Tekken. All fighting games have a particular look. Street Fighter characters look like SF, Dead or Alive characters look like DOA. And Tekken characters look like Tekken. I can usually tell immediately what series a character is from. I don't know if these characters were designed by new people, but if someone had shown me Lucky Chloe before she was announced, there's no way I would have said she looked like a Tekken character.

 

[kagamin]

I swear I must be the only person in this thread looking forward to the Idolmaster costumes in Tekken 7, KEEP IT UP HARADA!

 

[FeenixRising]

I miss the days when Paul was a threat and Heihachi was the most feared man in the game.

Now they're both comic relief

 

[Sayah]

This is so disgusting, it is making me want to puke.

 

[karasu]

People missing the point that Tekken was serious in the overall tone despite some joke characters and joke endings.

Tekken now is just garbage anime.

I just can facepalm at all these Gaf responses. OP is right.

But Tekken was never serious in its overall tone. The second Heihachi threw Kazuya down that mountain its been jokes and silliness non-stop.

 

[Stuart444]

I swear I must be the only person in this thread looking forward to the Idolmaster costumes in Tekken 7, KEEP IT UP HARADA!

You're not anymore

 

[Manbig]

But Tekken was never serious in its overall tone. The second Heihachi threw Kazuya down that mountain its been jokes and silliness non-stop.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=211529967

 

[MikeBreezy92]

Yeah, Tekken has definitely gone into the deep end for me personally.

This is the height of stupidity you can have on King in Tekken 4

Now look at the Carnival of Stupid it has become in Tekken 7:

And that half naked Asian lady in the bikini is supposed to be Jin's grandmother.

They're customs though? they're not meant to be taken seriously......

 

[ZeroX03]

This is so disgusting, it is making me want to puke.

Now this is a perfectly level headed reaction to user controlled customization.

 

[AAK]

This is so disgusting, it is making me want to puke.

The point of no return for me was when I was watching Shadowloo Showdown 6 top 8 that had Saint vs Australia's best. And the dude's PS3 on that tournament had nothing but the most obnoxious wings, bondage, guns, and random accessories on every character. It was the first Tekken top 8 I ever just had to stop watching because it made the game look sooooo hard to watch.

I was honestly thinking Namco was just making everything nonsensical for the Tag game because it's a dream match and to my horror everything was recycled for a mainline Tekken title. It truly is a sad reality of what's become of this series.

Now this is a perfectly level headed reaction to user controlled customization.

It's not user controlled when you're forced to view them when playing online. If Namco gave you the option to only view it on your ps3 (like how mods work), then it would be user controlled.

 

[SOR5]

They're customs though? they're not meant to be taken seriously......

Customs has gone too far

 

[ZeroX03]

The point of no return for me was when I was watching Shadowloo Showdown 6 top 8 that had Saint vs Australia's best. And the dude's PS3 on that tournament had nothing but the most obnoxious wings, bondage, guns, and random accessories on every character. It was the first Tekken top 8 I ever just had to stop watching because it made the game look sooooo hard to watch.

I was honestly thinking Namco was just making everything nonsensical for the Tag game because it's a dream match and to my horror everything was recycled for a mainline Tekken title. It truly is a sad reality of what's become of this series.



It's not user controlled when you're forced to view them when playing online. If Namco gave you the option to only view it on your ps3 (like how mods work), then it would be user controlled.

I'm sorry, I really can't take your response seriously. They're just customs. Unless they're obscuring a player's actions*, get over it. I just can't imagine caring that much about what they're wearing when you've got an incredibly complex game to focus on, even as a spectator.

*some darker maps in DR you could go full black outfits and it would obscure movements unless you cranked the brightness up hard on whatever screen you were using. They've since avoided that.

 

[copelandmaster]

I miss the days when Paul was a threat and Heihachi was the most feared man in the game.

Now they're both comic relief

Hei really doesn't seem to be comic relief in 7. Kazuya is in the process of frying him with lasers in the middle of a raging volcano in the vanilla 7 intro, and Kazumi's hitman brings a blazing shrine down around his head in in 7 Fr's intro.


Also, what's with all this doom and gloom regarding the series in this thread?

This Evo 2015 highlight video took a year to reach 95k views.

The sequel from the same yt has over 100k in a week.


Its brought in shitloads of money for BN since March of 2015, and is set to be the biggest fighting game this gen in terms of general ww playerbase due to coming to 3 additional major platforms, all of which are launching at the same time.

Tekken's coming out swinging.

 

[Phu]

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=211529967

Those aren't engaging at all.

 

[AAK]

I'm sorry, I really can't take your response seriously. They're just customs. Unless they're obscuring a player's actions*, get over it. I just can't imagine caring that much about what they're wearing when you've got an incredibly complex game to focus on, even as a spectator.

*some darker maps in DR you could go full black outfits and it would obscure movements unless you cranked the brightness up hard on whatever screen you were using. They've since avoided that.

I get it, you don't care. But telling everyone else that did care to just "get over it" isn't really helping your argument about Tekken being no stupider now than it was back in the PS1-PS2 era.

 

[Sayah]

I'm sorry, I really can't take your response seriously. They're just customs. Unless they're obscuring a player's actions*, get over it. I just can't imagine caring that much about what they're wearing when you've got an incredibly complex game to focus on, even as a spectator.

*some darker maps in DR you could go full black outfits and it would obscure movements unless you cranked the brightness up hard on whatever screen you were using. They've since avoided that.

Stuff like the butterfly wings does obscure character actions. Even if it didn't obscure anything, it's still annoyingly absurd and nonsensical to look at. It's like saying the neon colors in SFXTK don't obscure any character actions so we should accept them even if your eyes are bleeding from looking at how egregiously hideous some of this stuff is.