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[schuelma]

I have a few things to add.

1) If it's for the Wii, the Wii is more than capable of handling Snatcher's art-style in excellent form.

2) If it uses a point and click interface mixed with shooting segments like the original, I can't imagine a better controller than the Wiimote.

3) Snatcher is probably not a franchise that Konami has a lot of confidence in, or we'd have seen it a lot sooner. We can't get them to shell out for HD Castlevania, what makes anyone think they'll shell out for a full-budget HD Snatcher?

4) With the combination of a large userbase and lower development costs, the Wii is the perfect place to bring back franchises that haven't been brought back for budget/profit reasons. With NiGHTS and probably Snatcher, we could be seeing the beginning of a trend. I'll take new installments in these franchises over never seeing them again, regardless of the platform.

5) We are not privy to the decision-making process at Konami, but one would think that if they've waited near 15 years to do a sequel that they've probably considered very carefully the reasons why the game should go to a particular system. Let's have a bit of faith that they made the decision for the right reasons until we have evidence otherwise, alrighty?

6) HOO-HAAAA SNATCHER IS BACK

Would you say its almost a sure thing that this is coming to the Wii?

 

[SolidSnakex]

Would you say its almost a sure thing that this is coming to the Wii?

It would seem so.

 

[Mifune]

kryptonian, didn't you get the memo that every game has to be on Wii whether it's been announced or not? And all rumors pertaining to Wii are immediately FACT.

Dissent will be silenced.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Oooh...Snatcher was cool stuff. I hope for the best.

 

[TreIII]

3) Snatcher is probably not a franchise that Konami has a lot of confidence in, or we'd have seen it a lot sooner. We can't get them to shell out for HD Castlevania, what makes anyone think they'll shell out for a full-budget HD Snatcher?

Quoted FTW.

Snatcher, at least to me, sounds like the opportunity that both Kojima and Suda have been waiting for. Kojima, because AT THE LEAST it gives him a chance to work on something else besides MGS at last. Suda? Well, he's already professed that Snatcher was the game that really got him into the video game market in the first place, and he's always dreamed of making similar type of games (and alongside his hero as well? He must be giddy as a school girl!).

So, of course, since it's a risky venture, we can't count on the best from Konami, even if Kojima is involved. Therefore, no, high-production values, HD or any of that other kind of stuff. But considering what Snatcher represents, does it really matter? I would think not. Just the fact that it's coming back, and that the Wii may play host to its welcome back party is enough for me...

 

[DrGAKMAN]

kryptonian, didn't you get the memo that every game has to be on Wii whether it's been announced or not? And all rumors pertaining to Wii are immediately FACT.

Dissent will be silenced.

He's still on last weeks memo that games aren't games unless they're HD...oh and that he wins the internet cookie 'cos he owns all 3 system's.

 

[krypt0nian]

He's still on last weeks memo that games aren't games unless they're HD...oh and that he wins the internet cookie 'cos he owns all 3 system's.

Actually you still don't get that I would rather have it on a console with more power. I'll buy it wherever it comes out since I have all 3 consoles. No cookie required.

And again HD has nothing to do with it.

 

[John Harker]

Sorry to dissapoint, but Kuryiama (sp?) is not a game.
It is just a bunch of concept art, we've seen every asset that exists for it aleady.
There is no PS3 development going on at GHM. If Suda is directing a PS3/X360 game another dev is doing, I can't say, but GHM is not currently developing one.

It's been said a thousand times, but GHM is only 20 people. 20. People. They are a small team with small budgets - hell, even No More Heroes isn't even just being developed by GHM - they can't support it, so they have coders from Spike helping out.

Suda said he would like to do a X360 game next, but lets face it: they have 2-3 DS games to port, Contact 2 to supervise with Akira Ueda, and 3 Wii games - NMH, whatever Project S is, and a 3rd game that will most likely not see the light of day (anytime soon, if at all).

Those are just the current facts of the matter, so anything else anyone wants to toss around is just whining and speculation, considering all that is known.

 

[mclem]

Unfortunately, if the game is co developed with Suda51 as the rumour states, then it's on Wii. Because he isn't developing for 360 or PS3. I suppose it could be for DS or PSP. Would that suit you better?

Actually, my money's on DS, anyway. While the shooting elements would rock on Wii, I think the general gameplay - assuming it remains true to the original, which is a big assumption - would probably work better on the DS. It has to be said that adventures are somewhat proven on the DS, whereas as yet they're unproven on the Wii.

 

[Dali]

I guess the only real question left is will Suda's often-used style of toon shading do Snatcher justice? I was never a big fan of the "look" his games have (Killer 7, Blood+, Heroes).

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

He's still on last weeks memo that games aren't games unless they're HD...oh and that he wins the internet cookie 'cos he owns all 3 system's.

Ah, don't tar and feather krypt0nian that way. He's not like that. I get that he would rather have this in HD, and that's his opinion. I think if it's a point and clicker I'd rather have Wiimote than HD, and that's mine. The best of both worlds would be an uber tech machine that has Wii-pointer style controls, but then it would probably run too expensive for Konami to greenlight.

 

[chibcicylist]

Actually, my money's on DS, anyway. While the shooting elements would rock on Wii, I think the general gameplay - assuming it remains true to the original, which is a big assumption - would probably work better on the DS. It has to be said that adventures are somewhat proven on the DS, whereas as yet they're unproven on the Wii.

That would actually make more sense(if not for the fact that there are viable rumours saying that Kojima and Suda are working on a Wii game together). It's probably a smarter decision for them to do it for the DS. But they could always port to the Wii or vice versa. I don't care, so long as they do well can continue making great games.

 

[krypt0nian]

Ah, don't tar and feather krypt0nian that way. He's not like that. I get that he would rather have this in HD, and that's his opinion. I think if it's a point and clicker I'd rather have Wiimote than HD, and that's mine. The best of both worlds would be an uber tech machine that has Wii-pointer style controls, but then it would probably run too expensive for Konami to greenlight.

See how we can all live together without accusations and agendas?

 

[wsippel]

Actually, my money's on DS, anyway. While the shooting elements would rock on Wii, I think the general gameplay - assuming it remains true to the original, which is a big assumption - would probably work better on the DS. It has to be said that adventures are somewhat proven on the DS, whereas as yet they're unproven on the Wii.

When Suda was asked what he's working on right now, he only mentioned "several more titles for Wii" besides No More Heroes - that's it, no other platform mentioned. He wants to do something on Xbox360, he would like to do something on PS3, and two DS-projects are planned for the near future, but at this point in time, GHM seems to be Wii-only.

BTW, and probably slightly off-topic: Any infos on what Audio Inc is doing right now? Suda mentioned something about a game for a new Nintendo system or something a while ago if I remember correctly...

 

[DrGAKMAN]

Actually you still don't get that I would rather have it on a console with more power. I'll buy it wherever it comes out since I have all 3 consoles. No cookie required.

And again HD has nothing to do with it.

Fine, just be less whiny next time.

And don't accuse me of going into HD-era game threads and spewing posts that I wished they were on Wii instead/as well...not all Nintendo fans are like this. I know where I'm not welcomed and it wouldn't make sense for alot of those games to come to Wii and be downgraded with waggle tacked on.

Also, read Segata's fine post about this topic, it makes the most sense and really the benifit's of the Wiimote for a franchise like Snatcher <<<far outweigh>>> the HD-era agenda (or as you're calling it now, the "power" reasoning).

Bringing a quirky, less graphics intensive franchise that seems made for the Wiimote to a non-waggle system makes as much sense as bringing a powerhouse penis-measuring HD-era game to the "inferior" Wii. Be thankful we're even getting some of these games that most thought were long since dead!

 

[mclem]

When Suda was asked what he's working on right now, he only mentioned "several more titles for Wii" besides No More Heroes - that's it, no other platform mentioned. He wants to do something on Xbox360, he would like to do something on PS3, and two DS-projects are planned for the near future, but at this point in time, GHM seems to be Wii-only.

Yeah, I think I missed the rumours, which do seem to lean towards it being a Wii game; nevertheless, if I were tasked to make a Snatcher sequel, I'd probably have plumped for the DS.

Or maybe it'll use the linkup, and the DS could be Metal Gear?

...

Excuse me, I need to go and have a lie down.

 

[John Harker]

As I said above, Contact 2 was mentioned to be their next project.

The only thing in question, was they wouldnt be firm on admitting if it was going to be for DS or if they were taking the series to the Wii too.

 

[Mifune]

Fine, just be less whiny next time.

And don't accuse me of going into HD-era game threads and spewing posts that I wished they were on Wii instead/as well...not all Nintendo fans are like this. I know where I'm not welcomed and it wouldn't make sense for alot of those games to come to Wii and be downgraded with waggle tacked on.

Also, read Segata's fine post about this topic, it makes the most sense and really the benifit's of the Wiimote for a franchise like Snatcher <<<far outweigh>>> the HD-era agenda (or as you're calling it now, the "power" reasoning).

Bringing a quirky, less graphics intensive franchise that seems made for the Wiimote to a non-waggle system makes as much sense as bringing a powerhouse penis-measuring HD-era game to the "inferior" Wii. Be thankful we're even getting some of these games that most thought were long since dead!

Fine.

At the same time, realize that nowhere in the original post is the Wii mentioned, and so unless you follow all the rumors and gossip, it's not at all unreasonable to say, "oh cool I hope this is for PS3!"

 

[norinrad21]

All signs point to wii/DS

 

[SolidSnakex]

I guess the only real question left is will Suda's often-used style of toon shading do Snatcher justice? I was never a big fan of the "look" his games have (Killer 7, Blood+, Heroes).

Here's hoping KojiPro is handeling all that stuff.

 

[wsippel]

Here's hoping KojiPro is handeling all that stuff.

I think the Ac!d-team was rumored to be working on an unannouced Wii-project almost a year ago, no?

 

[wsippel]

As I said above, Contact 2 was mentioned to be their next project.

The only thing in question, was they wouldnt be firm on admitting if it was going to be for DS or if they were taking the series to the Wii too.

Yes, I remember something about Contact 2. On Audios website, there are no infos other than that they have a new title in the works since 2006 though. Oh well, I think we'll have to wait and see...

 

[Shikamaru Ninja]

It's been said a thousand times, but GHM is only 20 people. 20. People. They are a small team with small budgets - hell, even No More Heroes isn't even just being developed by GHM - they can't support it, so they have coders from Spike helping out.

Do you have a source for that? I doubt that very much to be honest. Spike was producing the game, no where have i seen fact that they are helping "code" the game.

 

[SolidSnakex]

That's possible as Nojiri hasn't had a project since MGA2, although he's probably working on MGS4 in some way also.

 

[krypt0nian]

Fine, just be less whiny next time.

And don't accuse me of going into HD-era game threads and spewing posts that I wished they were on Wii instead/as well...not all Nintendo fans are like this. I know where I'm not welcomed and it wouldn't make sense for alot of those games to come to Wii and be downgraded with waggle tacked on.

Also, read Segata's fine post about this topic, it makes the most sense and really the benifit's of the Wiimote for a franchise like Snatcher <<<far outweigh>>> the HD-era agenda (or as you're calling it now, the "power" reasoning).

Bringing a quirky, less graphics intensive franchise that seems made for the Wiimote to a non-waggle system makes as much sense as bringing a powerhouse penis-measuring HD-era game to the "inferior" Wii. Be thankful we're even getting some of these games that most thought were long since dead!

Feel free to ignore me. That would help more than trying to instruct me how to post.

I didn't accuse you of anything besides not knocking the calls for waggle everywhere. You're clearly one-sided in your backseat modding.


BTW your HD era meme is baseless. You should call it Technical Proficiency era if you want it to hold water. HD is a side effect of more powerful hardware.

 

[KINGMOKU]

I hope its true. That way I can stop playing the original. You can only play a game so many times...

 

[wsippel]

Do you have a source for that? I doubt that very much to be honest. Spike was producing the game, no where have i seen fact that they are helping "code" the game.

It's not Spike, it's MMV as far as I remember.

 

[Grecco]

Fine.

At the same time, realize that nowhere in the original post is the Wii mentioned, and so unless you follow all the rumors and gossip, it's not at all unreasonable to say, "oh cool I hope this is for PS3!"

Suda himself has said there is no PS3/360 development right now cause he cant afford it. So unless hes lieing. Its no rumor.

 

[DrGAKMAN]

Fine.

At the same time, realize that nowhere in the original post is the Wii mentioned, and so unless you follow all the rumors and gossip, it's not at all unreasonable to say, "oh cool I hope this is for PS3!"

Hoping it's for PS3 is fine, voicing that hope is great...but I didn't really hear that. What I heard was basically an anti-Wii agenda which is to say that since Wii isn't powerful, since Wii is non-HD and since Wii has dumbed-down waggle it would be a bad choice for "insert game here". Fine, if that's what you think, but when that's also followed up with the pro-power/pro-HD (or should I say pro-PS3) sentiment I'm hearing it comes off like as if a game isn't good unless it justifies my over-priced TV/game system whilst ignoring the fact that good games CAN (gasp) be made on non-HD systems and have been for years now...All while downplaying the benifit's waggle can/will bring to certain games/genre's.

We get the point: HD-era is "better", PS3 is more powerful, Wii is a weak P.O.S. to you, but does it have to be over-stated in every thread *on top of* poking fun at "the waggle gimmick"???

MGS4 *makes sense* on a visual powerhouse system like PS3/X360.

Snatcher *makes sense* with an interface intensive system like NDS/Wii.

I can live with those facts...

 

[AntMurda]

Spike is producing, Marvelous is publishing and distributing in Japan. GHM has not mentioned anyone co-developing the game with them. Mikami has consulted and advised for this game according to his last interview. But even then, this is Suda's baby.

 

[ourumov]

They have the DS which would be perfectly suited for that kind of game... Plus they also have 2 systems in where to release some kind of PSN/XB Live cheap ports... It's either now or never...
And of course they could do a cool remake using BRay capabilities...

 

[Love To Love You Baby]

GHM should be a Nintendo second party.

 

[thetrin]

Snatcher Wii...

God, is that you?!

 

[drohne]

WOW

 

[TreIII]

GHM should be a Nintendo second party.

Nah.

As much as I love Nintendo, GHM and when those two get together...GHM becoming 2nd party doesn't sound all that right to me...not when there is a possibility that states that, upon coming 2nd party to any larger publisher, you get the funding...as long as you stay within line of what they want.

And for Suda51 and GHM standing to be one of the freshest new faces that this industry has seen in quite a number of moons, that just doesn't sound right to me...

 

[chibcicylist]

snatcher isn't about graphics? what is snatcher about then? plot elements cribbed from american movies? incoherent manga plotting? gameplay? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

 

[drohne]

i edited that post because i realized that snatcher isn't about much of anything

phoenix wright is about the awesome capcommy music that sounds like it belongs to a much better game

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

WOW

Well, you changed it, but I'm going to respond to your original post anyway.

Given the number of people whose first experience with Snatcher was well past the Sega CD's expiry date, and thus played through and developed a feverish love for a game whose graphics consisted of 56 colour grainy low res anime, I would say that no, Snatcher was not "about the graphics".

But you know, feel free to pass on all the games that take reference from American movies, since you felt that was a bashing point. Not that I would expect you to apply your standards unilaterally or anything.

edit: well, okay, your follow-up post negates the first paragraph. So I guess you're in a Snatcher thread cuz you thought it was about a funny English mobster movie?

 

[Love To Love You Baby]

Nah.

As much as I love Nintendo, GHM and when those two get together...GHM becoming 2nd party doesn't sound all that right to me...not when there is a possibility that states that, upon coming 2nd party to any larger publisher, you get the funding...as long as you stay within line of what they want.

And for Suda51 and GHM standing to be one of the freshest new faces that this industry has seen in quite a number of moons, that just doesn't sound right to me...

I meant it in that, for some magical reason, Nintendo would just give them free reign to do what they do best.

But Nintendo would be smart to acquire them.

 

[drohne]

i like metal gear. and metal gear is largely scavenged from bad american movies. i hear the same guy made them or something! which figures!

i don't care if people like snatcher -- there are a lot of dodgy games i unaccountably like -- but i'm sure a lot of the people in this thread only know the game by reputation, and i don't think a little realism is amiss.

edit: i don't need a reason to be in this thread, and your indignation is awfully silly, but actually i'm here because "mizuguchi + gore" made me go "huh" in at least two different ways

 

[Red Blaster]

Well, you changed it, but I'm going to respond to your original post anyway.

Given the number of people whose first experience with Snatcher was well past the Sega CD's expiry date, and thus played through and developed a feverish love for a game whose graphics consisted of 56 colour grainy low res anime, I would say that no, Snatcher was not "about the graphics".

I dunno about the rest of you, but those graphics were impressive to me considering the game (Sega CD version) came out in 1994.

 

[wsippel]

Thinking about No More Heroes, what's up with MMV lately? They seem to be involved in an impressive number of different projects, some very promising games, most of them for Nintendo platforms. It was always "that Harvest Moon company" to me in the past. Could it be that Nintendo is funding/ supporting them lately? Basically a "stealth 2nd-party"?

 

[DrGAKMAN]

Feel free to ignore me. That would help more than trying to instruct me how to post.

I didn't accuse you of anything besides not knocking the calls for waggle everywhere. You're clearly one-sided in your backseat modding.


BTW your HD era meme is baseless. You should call it Technical Proficiency era if you want it to hold water. HD is a side effect of more powerful hardware.

Hey, I wasn't ignoring you...you backtracked by first saying visuals (getting at HD) and are now saying overall power or whatever...I wasn't addressing just you, I just picked you out of a crowd of people who come into Wii game (or potential Wii game) threads to point out the obvious that the anti-Wii agenda seems to love to do. Wii isn't HD, Wii is weak, Wii is waggle, waggle is a gimmick, PS3 is better, HD-era 4lyfe and the like.

It was probably unfair to prematurly label you as such or to assume that was your aim with your first couple of posts, I'm just tired of seeing it. Wanting a game on this system or that system is fine, but whining that it's on (or might be on) a system you don't prefer comes off as childish. Everybit as childish as Nintendo fans who want HD games on the non-HD Wii.

Calling me out and saying that I don't chastise Wii fans who want PS3 games on Wii is basically what you said though. Thing is, I don't go into those threads and I don't agree with those Wii fans...I want games on Wii that make sense to be on Wii. Point remains that a game like Snatcher makes more sense on Wii (or NDS even) than on PS3 or X360. I'm not going to point out the obvious to the oblivious...that's your job in those threads if you see fit...I know where I'm not welcome so I chose not to go into those threads to begin with.

So I am with Dragona in saying that this pro-HD (or as you're now calling it, pro-power) anti-waggle movement is getting tired 'cos really what it is is a Nintendo vs Sony pisscussion in disguise.

 

[speedpop]

i don't care if people like snatcher -- there are a lot of dodgy games i unaccountably like -- but i'm sure a lot of the people in this thread only know the game by reputation, and i don't think a little realism is amiss.

Usually I don't agree with drohne but this seems pretty spot on. It's a bit similar to the entire Dragon Quest IX debacle when it was announced for DS.

Anyway.

Snatcher! Mother****ers! I'm still hoping for a re-release of Policenauts in English on whatever console though.

 

[John Harker]

Spike is producing, Marvelous is publishing and distributing in Japan. GHM has not mentioned anyone co-developing the game with them. Mikami has consulted and advised for this game according to his last interview. But even then, this is Suda's baby.

Do you have a source for that? I doubt that very much to be honest. Spike was producing the game, no where have i seen fact that they are helping "code" the game.

Sure.
http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3155573

No More Heroes is currently 35% complete and is due out next summer in Japan. Spike will be publishing it, with Marvelous Entertainment lending its hand in the development and tuning. Suda hopes this game will be a million seller -- high hopes, perhaps, but given the potential of the Wii as a mainstream platform, he may very well have a budding international hit on his hands.

Booyah, John Harker wins again.
From 1Up. This isn't even the first time its been mentioned. Wada from Marvelous convinced Suda to even put this game on Wii, and said his teams would help if he agreed.

I follow Suda a lot, i'm a big fan of his work.

Edit:
sorry, i said Spike in my first post, they are publishing only. But above is what i meant.
Added link for great justice.

 

[cvxfreak]

Loved that little bit about Resident Evil Online.

<3 Mikami

 

[dyre]

3) Snatcher is probably not a franchise that Konami has a lot of confidence in, or we'd have seen it a lot sooner. We can't get them to shell out for HD Castlevania, what makes anyone think they'll shell out for a full-budget HD Snatcher?

How were sales with Policenauts? I mean, that was basically the spiritual sequel to Snatcher, anyways.. They couldn't have been that good if Konami never brought it over here, despite petitions, letters, and such.

Gamers were probably sick of Snatcher at that point after being ported, remade, and ported again across the MSX, PC Engine, Sega CD, and finally on Saturn and Playstation. They milked this game for nearly a decade.

Konami to Kojima: "I dunno if Snatcher 2 will sell very well... i mean, we remade the first one 4 or 5 times and sales got progressively worse :/"

Oh well.. i'm sure they great confidence in Kojima ^_^

 

[GhostSeed]

Sorry to dissapoint, but Kuryiama (sp?) is not a game.
It is just a bunch of concept art, we've seen every asset that exists for it aleady.
There is no PS3 development going on at GHM. If Suda is directing a PS3/X360 game another dev is doing, I can't say, but GHM is not currently developing one.

It's been said a thousand times, but GHM is only 20 people. 20. People. They are a small team with small budgets - hell, even No More Heroes isn't even just being developed by GHM - they can't support it, so they have coders from Spike helping out.

Suda said he would like to do a X360 game next, but lets face it: they have 2-3 DS games to port, Contact 2 to supervise with Akira Ueda, and 3 Wii games - NMH, whatever Project S is, and a 3rd game that will most likely not see the light of day (anytime soon, if at all).

Those are just the current facts of the matter, so anything else anyone wants to toss around is just whining and speculation, considering all that is known.

It looks like they're up to 40 now.

http://www.grasshopper.co.jp/company_f.html

 

[John Harker]

It looks like they're up to 40 now.

http://www.grasshopper.co.jp/company_f.html

Sweet

But I wonder if that just includes the 20 people from Audio (the ones who made Contact).

 

[Kabuki Quantum Lover]

Snatcher on the Wii (FOR NORTH AMERICA, KONAMI, DO YOU HEAR ME) would pretty much force me to buy a Wii.