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Suicide Squad won't die + Credits & SFX released online!
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Succinct Verbosity
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More importantly, they have something Marvel doesn't have... Popular Villains. By all accounts the villains used in Suicide Squad were almost non-existent in popular culture outside of the Joker, and now they have popularised a man called Captain Boomerang who may actually be a draw for the Flash film.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
Savage.
Savaged.
BronsonLee
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Honestly, 700-750 mil is probably the ceiling for this film, reviews or no. Getting people to buy into the Suicide Squad concept was the hard part.
Subject matter probably guarantees that never happening
One is essentially an arthouse stopmotion animated film, the other is probably the biggest movie of the summer
Lights and Waves
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It still hasn't opened in Japan, and I think it'll hit $700 million when all is said and done.
Trojita
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
lol just goes to show that gaf/internet hate was just a vocal minority. its not a great film but it is not a piece of shit like gaf makes it out to be.
You guys need to watch shit like Twilight movies, other YA movies and truly bad movies. SS and BvS might have pacing issues and some stupid plot points but they are by no means bad movies and their good outweighs the bad for most people. well SS more than BvS, BvS' flaws are almost unforgivable. Almost.
I do hope WB learns a lesson from this. Stop spending hundreds of millions on VFX and focus on story. If you are going to be a director first studio than also pick competent writers. critics and the internet are not going to be wowed by pretty graphics of style of visionary directors. especially when you are going with B tier directors like Snyder and Ayer. They are not Nolan and they definitely cant work with a shitty script.
You guys need to watch shit like Twilight movies, other YA movies and truly bad movies. SS and BvS might have pacing issues and some stupid plot points but they are by no means bad movies and their good outweighs the bad for most people. well SS more than BvS, BvS' flaws are almost unforgivable. Almost.
I do hope WB learns a lesson from this. Stop spending hundreds of millions on VFX and focus on story. If you are going to be a director first studio than also pick competent writers. critics and the internet are not going to be wowed by pretty graphics of style of visionary directors. especially when you are going with B tier directors like Snyder and Ayer. They are not Nolan and they definitely cant work with a shitty script.
Banderdash
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Avatar took how much god damn money?
It's guaranteed to reach north of 700. Moderate projections are placing it at 710M final.
Trojita
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Oh it is still a shitty movie. How does this prove it isn't?
SENPAIatLARGE
Banned
I think the real lesson that both Marvel and DC can learn is to always release cape films when there is Bo competition for 4-5 weeks. Both BvS and Civil War had competition in the third week.
tkscz
Member
This, that booty was flat
Batman not murdering was a retcon. It's absolutely not the only way to play yes character.
Agreed with SM.
It has the joker, the Joker is about as recognisable a pop-icon as any character. So, in that sense I don't think there would be as much of an issue. And if a guy like Deadpool can make roughly the same amount of box office despite being a way less known person mostly on word-of-mouth advertising, I can see a great movie with a large part for The Joker (again, it would not be this movie as it is now, obviously) making tons of money, even when it's called "Suicide Squad"
SENPAIatLARGE
Banned
If Wonder woman is bad,do you guys really think audiences will show up a third time in droves? Is Wonder Woman a big enough name to pull people in like Batman or Superman?
That revelation was amazing.
Just play the theme outside the theaters and they will come.
Skiptastic
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You just saw one of the best parts of this movie for free.
Maybe, but it is pretty
bananafactory
Banned
The focus on colours in the credits is so odd considering how dark and dull the movie actually is visually
Superman being able to fly is also a 70 year old retcon. What's your point?
Is Batman's "No Kill Rule" (an absolutely crucial moral element to the character's philosophical outlook that's become utterly synonymous with the character for many decades) no longer important because Batman used to carry a gun for a couple of months in the 1930s while the character's core traits were still in the process of being established by the writers?
What is this nonsense?
Extra Sauce
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Thank you for this.
Hasn't stopped other animated movies from making (big) bank really though.
As per point #2..
1- That's sad imo
2- Only in a world with no Civil War, Dory or Life of Pets
BronsonLee
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Laika films don't really do big business to begin with
Civil War was April & I tend to not include animated kids films as summer blockbusters, but that's just bias on my part
GasProblem
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Thought it was an enjoyable movie. Not perfect but not that bad.
May 6th actually (in the US), which generally opens the summer BB season.
And... ok... Bias indeed.
RockTurtle
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another victory for cheesecake
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
people said that the word of mouth was shit and it would die out fast. these numbers prove the word of mouth wasnt all bad which means millions of people didnt think it was a shitty movie.
BronsonLee
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Please tell me we're not going to argue over semantics of dates, it's always been iffy as to when that actually starts. Most people aren't including Civil War in summer.
& kids films are nice (Minions did huge business, for example), but what's getting talked about more, Life of Pets or Squad?
This is a silly argument anyways because Kubo was never ever going to do big business, but that doesn't make it any less of a good movie. That'd be like me saying Before Midnight was garbo because it didn't make a lot of money.
Mighty Chin
Banned
This movie doesn't deserve its success.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
😐..🙄
Napalm_Frank
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I wonder if I'm a rare case thinking both Suicide Squad and Civil War were shit :d
Remember, it's not just GAF and the internet who did not like the movie. This thing was critically panned across the board.
I think my biggest issue (because I don't have an eye for cinematography and couldn't put my finger on the weird editing) was the script. I don't even blame the actors for having some bad delivery here or there, because the script was just not great. The plot is a close second.
The part where
kind of cut me deep, it was so bad. Not just because the plot doesn't support a line like that
but just that it was such a cheesy and uncharacteristic line, and the movie had a few of those.
I think my biggest issue (because I don't have an eye for cinematography and couldn't put my finger on the weird editing) was the script. I don't even blame the actors for having some bad delivery here or there, because the script was just not great. The plot is a close second.
The part where
the enchantress tries to convince Harley to work with her, and Harley is all 'yeah saving joker sounds great and all, but you hurt myyyyy friiiiends!!!'
how does anyone believe that any of the people in the squad give two shits about the rest of them?
Nah it sucked.
The only non comic book Batman not to kill were Arkham Bats who gently electrocuted people before he ran them over safely and George Clooney.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Savage.
did the camera really have to pan down?
clay_ghost
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Nope, DC movies It's basically WB's Transformer series now.
The movie doesn't deserve the reviews it got. It deserved far worse. Very few films actually make me feel like I've wasted my time and money in seeing them. SS achieved that rare goal. It genuinely saddens me to see it successful as it means we'll likely never get the fantastic movie that the source material demands.
Millions of people flock to The Transformers movies every couple of years, does that suddenly make them good films?
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
The good thing about the box-office numbers of Suicide Squad and BvS is that they prove that audiences worldwide are definitely as interested in DC as they are with Marvel. All the talks about the DC characters being out of touch can definitely be put to rest when looking at the opening week-ends of both films.
But all that negative word of mouth is going to bite them in the ass sooner or later and I'm afraid that Wonder Woman is going to underperform and this could have a very negative effect for future female-led films in Hollywood. And unless Justice League has one of the best marketing campaigns ever, I could actually see it pulling less than BvS worldwide.
But all that negative word of mouth is going to bite them in the ass sooner or later and I'm afraid that Wonder Woman is going to underperform and this could have a very negative effect for future female-led films in Hollywood. And unless Justice League has one of the best marketing campaigns ever, I could actually see it pulling less than BvS worldwide.
I'm happy to hear it did well. I loved the movie, despite all it's glaring flaws. I really hope we get a sequel, and they manage to fix the problems. I need more Will Smith Deadshot in my life.
It's interesting to see just how long the DCEU can go with all the movies being critically panned. Hopefully, they can quit with the awful editing, and get some actual well-made movies going.
It's interesting to see just how long the DCEU can go with all the movies being critically panned. Hopefully, they can quit with the awful editing, and get some actual well-made movies going.
Via Purifico
Banned
That was my issue with the movie as well, same with El Diablo.
His sacrifice didn't have much of an impact honestly as it was a pretty anticlimactic death.
So many holes in the pacing, script and especially the characterization.
Oh and Katana
Saying if she dies in battle she can be with her husband, uh what? how? unless you were killed by your own sword.
Messofanego
Banned
David Ayer wasn't exactly conservative in his objectification of her.
She acts a stripper in Joker's club and he's about to pimp her out to some other dude. There's all kinds of inconsistencies to her, that I found frustrating.
Really, it's just Amanda Waller who comes off as the coolest woman in the movie.
Via Purifico
Banned
David Ayer wasn't exactly conservative in his objectification of her.
She acts a stripper in Joker's club. There's all kinds of inconsistencies to her, that I found frustrating.
Really, it's just Amanda Waller who comes off as the coolest woman in the movie.
Everything about how they handled Harley and Joker was incredibly cringeworthy.
Joker offering her to some gangster during the club scene was some sigh inducing stuff.
If this female villain lineup movie picks up off the ground I do not want it by Ayer.
So BvS is by no means a bad movie, it just has flaws that are almost unforgivable. lol
Discotheque
Banned
nah suicide squad is a piece of shit outside of the will smith scenes at the beginning.
BvS got some glaring flaws but as a whole i actually like the film. i wouldn't call it great though but i really fucked with a lot of what snyder was doing here.
BvS got some glaring flaws but as a whole i actually like the film. i wouldn't call it great though but i really fucked with a lot of what snyder was doing here.
LegendofDragoonLives
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It was a darker Marvel movie with bad pacing and editing. I'm still waiting for both universes to create more than 1 memorable movie combined, but I'm not optimistic it's going to happen anymore. I haven't felt like I wasted my money on any of the movies from either universe so far, but I always find it weird that Marvel gets this universal praise for constantly spouting generic shit on a regular basis.
That scene was due to WB unfortunately.
Originally, Harley pulls a gun on Joker, Joker calms her down and then slaps her to take the gun away. He then hands it to tatoo Common and tells him to shoot her. Him thinking that he can't either way, shoots himself.
I really want to know who the fuck is editing these DC movies though, the last two have been a piss poor job.
Coffee Dog
Banned
All of the movie Batmen go out of their way to not kill during most of their movies. That's why they don't use guns. They just have different rules over what is or isn't "killing" because these movies are directed by people that don't understand how murder works.
To Keaton Batman, blowing someone up isn't "killing" somehow. To Bale Batman, leaving someone to die on a train that is about to explode isn't killing, somehow. But these Batmen are very clearly going around punching people instead of just shooting them, and that's largely because they are following the no kill rule which is a massive part of batman's character. Even though Baleman commits multiple murders throughout the trilogy, the entire ending of TDK's script and the conflict with the Joker relies on Batman not being a killer. The movie clearly doesn't want you to think of Batman as a murderer.
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