FF Seraphim
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If you can bring PS1 Classics to the PS4 I would be so happy. If you cannot... well at least I have a Vita... keep supporting the VITA!!
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If you can bring PS1 Classics to the PS4 I would be so happy. If you cannot... well at least I have a Vita... keep supporting the VITA!!
indigo-cyclops
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I was just going to post I still can't buy II, but haven't checked since late last night. I'll hopefully be successful later this evening.
Demigod Mac
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Awesome. Thanks so much for helping get this wonderful game on sale for a new generation to experience.
Can you lobby to also get the Vandal Hearts games on PSOne Classics?
Diomedeskun
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Thanks for your hard work! I still dream of someday playing a new game that allows me to return to that world and get to see the rest of the true runes. It may not be likely, but it's nice to see my favorite series get some love.
OuterLimits
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Thanks for letting us know the PSP situation.
I was able to download from the store on my PSP so the option was there for a brief period of time. Seems bizarre for Sony to not allow it since they still sell PSP games on their store and other PS1 games released fairly recently have the option for PSP.
Btw, you really need to bring Vandal Hearts 1 and 2 to the store.
I love those games.And bought! Thanks for the heads up.
SolidChamp
Banned
So a big question: Is the story of Suikoden II dependent on the first game?
Is this a standalone title like, say, FFIV is standalone from FFVI?
Is this a standalone title like, say, FFIV is standalone from FFVI?
Basileus777
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It takes place in the same world in a neighboring country and there are several characters that are in both. But the plot is standalone, playing the first just enhances the experience.
AuthenticM
Member
It takes place in the same universe, but the story is independant. All ties to the first game are cameos and winks and nods.
That being said, the first game is still very much great. You should play it.
Suikoden II's story is not dependant to the first game, though you may understand more some references if you play it beforehand. You will be quite happy when you'll encounter characters from the first game in the second one.
I didn't like Suikoden I very much, mainly because I played it after Suikoden II I guess. Suikoden II is just much more refined overall, with a better plot, better artworks for characters, better castle, better everything.
Also, dragons in Suikoden I have an elephant's roar... I was kinda "
" when I heard it for the first time.JumpJeff84
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People asking about whether they should play Suikoden 1 before Suikoden 2....
I hadn't played either game, then a month ago started playing Suikoden 1. It was okay, but I had to force myself to keep at it, as it starts pretty slow. Got maybe 6 hours in then put it down for something else.
Last night I started Suikoden II, and it grabbed me right away. Story is urgent and interesting right from the getgo, and I'm anxious to play more.
So play the first one first if you want to, but if you find it doesn't grab you don't be afraid to shelve it and just jump into the sequel.
I hadn't played either game, then a month ago started playing Suikoden 1. It was okay, but I had to force myself to keep at it, as it starts pretty slow. Got maybe 6 hours in then put it down for something else.
Last night I started Suikoden II, and it grabbed me right away. Story is urgent and interesting right from the getgo, and I'm anxious to play more.
So play the first one first if you want to, but if you find it doesn't grab you don't be afraid to shelve it and just jump into the sequel.
Totally disagree. Most of the main characters outside of the 3 are related to the first game. You are doing yourself a severe dis-service not playing the 1st one before.
And it gets even worse in #3 as the central plot, or more the hidden plot, is tied to the first and second game.
Only at the 4th game are they truly independent.
You won't understand Flik and Victor's dynamic without playing the first one.
You won't understand Shu, Apple, and Mathiu's dynamic without playing the first one.
You won't get closure to understand the main character of 1 without playing the first one and importing the save.
You won't get the perspective shift that comes from playing the 1st one to the 2nd one based on "who's actually the bad guys?" as you just get the 1 perspective of Jowston in 2, but 1 gives you another perspective.
You are missing out on so much. It's such a short game too, you can power through in 10 hours if you wanted to.
You won't understand Shu, Apple, and Mathiu's dynamic without playing the first one.
You won't get closure to understand the main character of 1 without playing the first one and importing the save.
You won't get the perspective shift that comes from playing the 1st one to the 2nd one based on "who's actually the bad guys?" as you just get the 1 perspective of Jowston in 2, but 1 gives you another perspective.
You are missing out on so much. It's such a short game too, you can power through in 10 hours if you wanted to.
AuthenticM
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You're overselling it a bit.
You don't need to play the first game to understand the dynamics between those characters; the second game does a fine job of setting up their relationships. The first game's MC gets closure in that game and not the second one. As for seeing another perspective of Jowston in 1, maybe, but it's not that essential. One is not missing "so much" on the second game by not playing the first one. Those things are very important to you because you're a super-fan of the series, but for the average guy who just wants to enjoy a great game, those things are superficial.
I played the games in this order: III -> V -> II -> I -> IV. I played 2 right after beating 5, and played 1 five years later. That did not prevent me from holding 2 as one of the greatest JRPGs ever (*cough* 5 is better *cough*).
Anyways, people should play 1 not because of its ties to the second game (as they are not that significant), but simply because it's a great game. Scratch that, they're all great. Even 3.
But not 4. Fuck that game.
First time playing? Nah. First time that I own it and will actually beat it? Yes. I got about to that one school academy a year and a half ago and I got spoiled and didn't want to continue. Big Spoilers:Indeed
First time playing?
Gilbert died in the first battle and I wasn't following a guide then. I was reading up on the game and someone spoiled to me what happens when you don't have all 108 characters.. I just couldn't continue. Didn't have the heart to.
Lumpy Onion
Member
I didn't find S1 to be slow to start at all. Shit was already staring to get real a couple of hours in
. I am 3 and 1/2 hours into the game and have already started recruiting for the castle. Compare that to something like S5's intro. Suikoden 1 is definitely not slow in starting imo.
As a side-note I love how many underpowered characters there are in this game. Sometimes it's fun to challenge yourself and kinda roleplay having to give everyone you recruit a chance. I prefer that than letting them rot in the castle.
Pahn's betrayal, Odessa getting killed, etc
As a side-note I love how many underpowered characters there are in this game. Sometimes it's fun to challenge yourself and kinda roleplay having to give everyone you recruit a chance. I prefer that than letting them rot in the castle.
AuthenticM
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If you never played Suikoden 1 and want to play Suikoden 2, try to play S1 first to see if you like it or not.
Although S1 is a short game, I only played it twice for
and fixing the name glitch.
I played S2 first, so S1 felt less enjoyable to me because it has doesn't have the improved graphics, gameplay, item menu, running feature, and the better art design in S2. I'm glad I did beat the game with all 108 stars on my second playthrough though, because the extra stuff in S2 really brings the S1 nostalgia out.
TLDR; If I had the chance to go back and play S1 and S2 all over again without any memories of playing them, I'd play S1 first and S2 second.
Although S1 is a short game, I only played it twice for
the McDohl quest
I played S2 first, so S1 felt less enjoyable to me because it has doesn't have the improved graphics, gameplay, item menu, running feature, and the better art design in S2. I'm glad I did beat the game with all 108 stars on my second playthrough though, because the extra stuff in S2 really brings the S1 nostalgia out.
TLDR; If I had the chance to go back and play S1 and S2 all over again without any memories of playing them, I'd play S1 first and S2 second.
Can you ask SCEA to make Konami's entire PSP/PSone back catalog on PSN directly downloadable on Vita? The games work, but you need to use a PS3 to transfer the games over. It's not the super obscure stuff either, but games like Silent Hill and Metal Gear Solid.
Like the hat?
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Any way to transfer my Suikoden 2 save to suikoden 3 on a backwards compatible PS3?
Hades Hotgun
Banned
For my money, most games are garbage compared to Suikoden II. But V was just such an unabashed imitation and without the actual folks who created the previous games like Murayama and Ishikawa, it feels like a hollow imitation at that. It really has no character of its own. Almost everything in it seems to come straight from a checklist of things that were done better in Suikoden II.
coredecepts
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What reason could Sony have for enabling then disabling PSP support on the game? It clearly works on PSP. It's a PS1 game. All PS1 games on PSN work on PSP.
Do they seriously think that by arbitrarily locking a PS1 game to Vita/PS3 only, they'll sell a few more Vitas/PS3s?
Do they seriously think that by arbitrarily locking a PS1 game to Vita/PS3 only, they'll sell a few more Vitas/PS3s?
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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If PsOne games ever come to the PS4, I'll expand my JRPG collection.
lucablight
Member
Wait, what? Are you saying this isn't playable on PSP atm?
th4tguy
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Works on my PSP. I couldn't transfer it from my PS3, but I was able to download it directly from my download list on my PSP.
Never played Suikoden 1 or 2, but I will be purchasing both later tonight to celebrate finishing my exams.
Quick question though, how good are the stories in both games? While I have heard that two is the better of both games, are both plots enjoyable? How are they compared to other older RPGs like Chrono Trigger or FF6? I see lots of people referencing Game of Thrones... is there a lot of political intrigue in this series? Any information would help me, even if I will be buying these games anyways!
Quick question though, how good are the stories in both games? While I have heard that two is the better of both games, are both plots enjoyable? How are they compared to other older RPGs like Chrono Trigger or FF6? I see lots of people referencing Game of Thrones... is there a lot of political intrigue in this series? Any information would help me, even if I will be buying these games anyways!
The Horror the horror
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I'm playing though Suikoden 1, before jumping to Suikoden 2.
I don't know if its age is showing or what, but I'm having a hard time mustering any excitement in this game. Does the story improve?
I don't know if its age is showing or what, but I'm having a hard time mustering any excitement in this game. Does the story improve?
Can you not transfer a save from a virtual ps1 card to a virtual ps2 card? I will test when I get home but I thought you could.
Give it a bit of time the beginning is the weakest part of S1. How many hours do you have?
Hades Hotgun
Banned
Suikoden games tend to establish a pleasant status quo before going bananas. It has been years, but I feel like Suikoden 1 really picks up when you get to Flik, Viktor, Humphrey, Odessa and crew.
Hikami
Member
3 hours into Suikoden 1, the beginning was really uninteresting and I was just forcing myself to play..
Once the story started to pick up though, I started to have fun playing it.
This
boss at Toran Castle is giving me a hard time though.. I was told I wouldn't have to grind in this game but seems like I'll have to for this guy.
Once the story started to pick up though, I started to have fun playing it.
This
zombie dragon
Been playing through Suikoden 1, which I'm actually really enjoying. Pretty weird considering that whenever I try to play classic JRPGs I've never tried (FF7, Vagrant Story, Xenogears) I end up quitting, but am pretty sucked into Suikoden. I love recruiting all these fools for my castle, hopefully my enjoyment for this game keeps up until I play the second.
Alex_Mexico
Member
Holy crap, thank goodness it wasn't just me! I thought my Vita might be breaking or something. I had Accept and Cancel commands on the touchscreen and later on removed them because I kept thinking that the random "Interact button" press came from the touchscreen that was dirty or a very very sensitive X button.
I definitely have that problem with S1 (haven't really tried S2). It's as if the game registered an Interact button random press even if you didn't touch a thing.
Haven't played it a lot on my PS3. I wonder if this is just on the Vita or does it happen as well on a PS3?
Make sure to make it past that point. The game reaaaaally picks up after that point, trust.
coredecepts
Member
Did you do this on Tuesday or early Wednesday? As of mid-day Wednesday, it was unavailable for direct download to my PSP.
And neither PS3 transfer nor MediaGo transfer work either.
One-handed mode is the greatest feature of this game that no one talks about. So nice to be able to run around and actually play while eating or flipping through the phone.
Edit: Though probably not that useful with the Vita
It's definitely the rear touch pad. I noticed the same odd issues with stuff being cancelled on me or menus reversing. I have to take my hands off the rear touch so it doesn't do odd things.
th4tguy
Member
It was Tuesday.
So I decided to buy Suikoden 1 totally blind last night. I'm not a huge JRPG fan in general even if I played a couple of them (FF7,FFX, SMRPG,Chrono Trigger and probably some others) but there was so much buzz around the new release that I decided to go for it.
Admittedly, I'm still really early in the game (I have to go back home after killing the bandit boss) but it's not really clicking.
The story is all right but I find the combat kinda clunky and boring.
The UI is also reaaaally clunky but I guess that's expected for a 20y old 2D JRPG.
Admittedly, I'm still really early in the game (I have to go back home after killing the bandit boss) but it's not really clicking.
The story is all right but I find the combat kinda clunky and boring.
The UI is also reaaaally clunky but I guess that's expected for a 20y old 2D JRPG.
PlayingKarrde
Member
To the people finding Suikoden 1 slow, yes it is to begin with. The game, in my opinion, starts to become amazing
This moment for me in all the Suikoden games is always the best part as that's when the game really opens up and it's really go time. Suikoden 2 thankfully has a much stronger opening than 1 or 5, but again, it really starts getting great when you get to that point too.
Hearing people say this is the thing that's similar in Dragon Age really makes me wanting to give up and buy it.
when you get your castle.
Hearing people say this is the thing that's similar in Dragon Age really makes me wanting to give up and buy it.
Alright, it's time for me to finally start playing Suikoden I tonight. I played III a long time ago when I was a kid, but I had no idea what was going on and never finished it.
I got a bit spoiled for me while looking for missable stuff... but there's so many games I need to play that I just can't justify playing through both of these games twice. Oh well.
I got a bit spoiled for me while looking for missable stuff... but there's so many games I need to play that I just can't justify playing through both of these games twice. Oh well.
I cannot believe how I grew to love III, in spite of its battle schematics.
Such is the power of a highly compelling cast.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
If III kept the battle system of II and refined it (as V later did) it would easily be my favorite game in the series. The plot and characters are so good.
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