Ivan Amiibo
Banned
4 certainly did.
game is brimming with tiredness, starting with the main character being forced to do another mission as an old man.
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Super Bunnyhop: Kojima vs. Konami
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4 certainly did.
game is brimming with tiredness, starting with the main character being forced to do another mission as an old man.
Robot Pants
Member
Wow, if true this sucks. And it sucks people are gonna lose their jobs, but good riddance Konami. You suck
Very interesting video. I had no idea that Konami was pretty into the gambling market, makes me wonder if there's any Yakuza ties.
Here's my prediction (if anyone gives a shit):
Kojima and his staff will hit kickstarter for a new project. A spiritual sequel to one of his games.
Konami will pursue the gambling industry and mobile gaming. They will almost completely exit the gaming industry but might pump out the occasional cheaply made outsourced Metal Gear game.
Here's my prediction (if anyone gives a shit):
Kojima and his staff will hit kickstarter for a new project. A spiritual sequel to one of his games.
Konami will pursue the gambling industry and mobile gaming. They will almost completely exit the gaming industry but might pump out the occasional cheaply made outsourced Metal Gear game.
swearing-circle
Member
Yeah, I think Kojima was po'd that he had to answer all the questions in MGS2 which were never meant to be answered. Nevertheless, he seemed really excited about MGS5 and it was like he was reinvigorated. You could kind of tell as well from the fact he was doing stuff his way as opposed to pandering to the fans.
Konami is already a gambling force in countries where it us legal and the fact that Abe has been pushing to legalize it in Japan has definitely made Konami excited. With the high costs and risks of console gaming vs other ventures, it's very apparent want they want done. That and the personal antimosity just revealed is just icing on the cake.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
They're hiring for a new MGS game, I'm not buying it.
Messofanego
Banned
If he's a journalist, why wouldn't he verify before publishing this?
OneEightZero
aka ThreeOneFour
No one will openly verify. It boils down to the source.
KOMANI
KOMANI
Who says it's a game. It could be a gambling machine like contra neo.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Nobody is gonna put their job on the line this early. We won't get any confirmation of what exactly is going on for years, probably.
Phrozenflame500
Member
While as George points out, this is mostly rumours, it does pretty much make sense and is mostly consistent with Konami's moves.
Whatever the case is, shits fucked man. This is corporate drama taken to the extreme.
Whatever the case is, shits fucked man. This is corporate drama taken to the extreme.
I just wanted to say that Fantastic Planet is a Fantastic movie, and I hope you are soon promoted from Junior member status.
EDIT: I also agree with your statements about 4.
Great stuff by George. Him and Gopher are probably two best, most level-headed Youtubers there are. And George flexing his journalistic muscle like this is well appreciated.
Hate to see what becomes of MGS after TPP comes out. As mentioned, they might just focus on spin offs like Rising without all the baggage the mainline series brings with it.
Hate to see what becomes of MGS after TPP comes out. As mentioned, they might just focus on spin offs like Rising without all the baggage the mainline series brings with it.
MGS4 was the culmination of a man who was tired of it all and wanted it to end.
Kojima = Snake.
My non-existent money is on Sony.
ArchedThunder
Banned
I bet a lot of the big companies are throwing offers his way.
Of all the things wrong with mgs4, tiredness isn't one of them. How anyone can play something with that much content, attention to detail, and polish and say that it feels tired is beyond me.
The game has plenty wrong with it but...tired? I'm going to have to disagree
Refreshment.01
Member
A part of me thinks there's some manufactured drama poured into the equation.
im not saying Konami isn't going through some heavy restructuring. Just saying is not something as shady as it seems to be.
The day the MGS development studio was named Kojima productions was the dy i knew this would happen eventually.
Kojima is one of those really charismatic developers, he's interaction with it fans goes way beyond it's games. He is really active in social networks, so what's up with his silence? i can understand some contractual agreements preventing him from talking in specific terms, but at the least not to calm the waters a bit with an statement? That's what reeks to me as manufactured drama.
im not saying Konami isn't going through some heavy restructuring. Just saying is not something as shady as it seems to be.
The day the MGS development studio was named Kojima productions was the dy i knew this would happen eventually.
Kojima is one of those really charismatic developers, he's interaction with it fans goes way beyond it's games. He is really active in social networks, so what's up with his silence? i can understand some contractual agreements preventing him from talking in specific terms, but at the least not to calm the waters a bit with an statement? That's what reeks to me as manufactured drama.
Triplicates
Member
Well, that sounds about right and I can't begrudge Konami. This is actually very refreshing from the standpoint of an investor. Usually Japanese companies let their suboptimal divisions linger on as zombie appendages. If they had no vision for a pathway to resurrecting good margins on console games, realignment is absolutely the right strategy. Given the nature of high-end development these days, good profitability is probably very difficult to attain. Konami has worn several hats over the course of its life and each change has contributed to its longevity. Their management seems astute to me.
Of course I'm broken up about this as a gamer but on the positive side, their video game visionaries are now free to find work with companies that are better adapted to that business.
Of course I'm broken up about this as a gamer but on the positive side, their video game visionaries are now free to find work with companies that are better adapted to that business.
stan423321
Member
I don't know if anybody but Konami can be blamed with manufacturing drama if it is actually getting accepted that KP was renamed to Unit 8.
Was he given death threats on what Vamp was?
I think the current internal politics situation is (sadly) quite common--this time it just featured one of the most prominent name in gaming. He's on mostly silent because this puts him in awkward position--if he's active, people will keep asking about him and Konami, something he might not be allowed to answer, and that puts a distance between him and the fans.
Doubt. It, he cost to much money.
Refreshment.01
Member
What's Kojima stance on the matter then?
Whatever the source of the manufactured drama, Kojima isn't helping matters if he's not adressing the issue in any way. The amount of sympathy and devotion this man awakens in his fan base it's incredible and in this sense, it kinds of warrant at the least some type of declaration to his followers.
I may be mistaken, but I seem to recall there's a communication blackout at Konami for employees under the roof, so to speak, right now. That's why there's been no comment on anyone directly involved, and the only ones to really talk about it have been voice actors.
Don't quote me on that, it may have been speculation or something, but I seem to recall reading something to that nature when all of this started happening early on.
akidnamededdy
Banned
Pretty sure corporate's got him tongue tied at least until MGSV ships. There's still plenty of time for them to fudge up his baby if he doesn't play along.
Refreshment.01
Member
i will just go on by saying that his relationship with the fan base goes beyond the typical "prominent developer/fans", he is seen more as an author. In that sense he has a bigger responsability. A responsability that should count in the good times and the bad ones.
There's no way that a contractual term will tie him about saying: "Hey guys im here! Will work matters as it becomes possible". There are no more contracts for slavery, at least i hope.
Naked Snake
Member
Yeah Kojima's status was changed from employee to contractor, and he's probably under an NDA
and/or locked in a dungeon.
Naked Snake
Member
So you're from #TeamRuse? Ok, then.
Gamer @ Heart
Member
The man is use to spending 5 years on one game and command 2 studios and the talents of several hundred developers to make his vision. No company alive today that wants to make money in the future will give him what he created for himself at konami.
Refreshment.01
Member
Team what? im not familiar with the term, sorry.
He's "Codec Silence" doesn't do anything more than help fuel the fire and the spread of possible misinformation, topics he has a very good understanding of since they were parts analyzed and criticised in his intelectual creations. It's kind of ironic to see him behaving that way.
But whatever the facts, this has been the most talked about topic related to videogames since it broke up.
There are plenty of ways that a contract can put a gag order on him.
Naked Snake
Member
I was referring to the people expecting this whole drama to be manufactured as a ruse/publicity/viral marketing stunt (similar to the deal with Moby Dick Studios). There's been many threads discussing that, like this one http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1031440&page=1
Refreshment.01
Member
You read my post already, im not expecting a communication detailing the minutia of corporate affairs of a multimillion dollar company, which obviously has a zipper over his mouth tied on. But i can't see how it would be impossible for him to adress it's followers in any way. A supression of that freedom of comunication would be a bigger story on itslef than this hole ordeal.
You make me feel really bad, mainly because your asumption means you are not making an effort to read my posts. Sorry to be blunt about it.
i already said i don't doubt Konami is going through restructuring pains, i even said i was imagine this would happen after Kojima Productions was founded. But it should not come as a surprise if certain parties are taking advantage of the situation. That the departure of KP wasn't a harsh or sudden one.
A manufactured drama can benefit both parties by increasing publicity about their biggest proyect ever, it is what in fatc is happening now. i would say is a cynical yet pragmatical vies about the matters.
Yes and Kojima was "forced" to make MGS4. Remember the tag line "No place for Hideo"? yeah as soon as fans found out that MGS4 won't be "A Hideo Kojima Game" fans weren't happy, hell some even sent him death threats.
You can tell Kojima didn't really wanted to make MGS4 and was pretty burned out with the series at this point but now with MGSV it seems like he got his energy and passion for the series back, it looks like it's the most ambitious thing ever.
eyeball_kid
Member
The part about people's security cards randomly not working and having to move desks constantly as a kind of inter-office torture scenario is kind of fascinating, and probably fabricated. And yet, it's so specific that it might well be true, especially if the comment about the CEO going off the deep-end has some truth.
This combined with the news this morning that Konami delisted itself from the New York Stock Exchange feels like Konami is headed for a sudden and rapid fall, perhaps leading to bankruptcy. Are their financials that bad? Is the MGS situation a panic attack; a desperate CEO drowning the man trying to save him?
This combined with the news this morning that Konami delisted itself from the New York Stock Exchange feels like Konami is headed for a sudden and rapid fall, perhaps leading to bankruptcy. Are their financials that bad? Is the MGS situation a panic attack; a desperate CEO drowning the man trying to save him?
ZoltanXerxes
Member
I haven't seen a company turn this quickly in a long time. Is it greed or desperation..or both? What of the other Konami IPs (Contra, Castlevania, Suikoden etc.)? Will these become mobile exclusive? Sounds like Konami is getting out of console video games for good. Wow.
Jason Frost
Member
I'm hearing your avatar.
twothunder
Member
That or perhaps they are given to "work for hire" devs like WayForward / Treasure / Platinum for a fairly cheap sequel?
Or Contra pachinko machines?
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Or. Most likely. Some of those IP 's will not be used / barely be used at all anymore
UltraGunner
Banned
Pretty blasphemous, but after all the shit that has gone down recently I'm willing to believe it.
This isn't unusual. Look at the NBC News/Brian Williams scandal for another example. He can't communicate with the media or even make public appearances at all during his suspension.
Kojima probably can't say anything, not even an innocuous statement to his fans. That's how these corporate/public figure break-ups usually work.
I was wondering where these people were hanging out, there's been zero comments in here about this being a stunt. I for one wouldn't put it past Kojima considering how the game was revealed in the first place and previous marketing stunts, the bar getting raised with each new series entry. Unlikely of course, but still a more positive suspicion than this being the end times :/
#TeamRuse
SneakyStephan
Banned
How are you guys enjoying a game industry driven by opportunity cost?
Good stuff huh! It was well worth supporting this industry for the past 30 years and letting it grow and foster.
Also related to modding thread: something something market forces (lol)
Good stuff huh! It was well worth supporting this industry for the past 30 years and letting it grow and foster.
Also related to modding thread: something something market forces (lol)
I am not really worried too much. For the short term, it is too late for Konami to ruin MGS5 as it is pretty much done. So that game at least will be released the way that Kojima intended. For the long term, I am sure Kojima will land on his feet. He is a highly respected figure in the gaming world with a proven track record for profitability. I can imagine that many Japanese studios would love to hire him and hopefully allow him more creative freedom on what games he wants to make. I would love to see him work on something new.
It does suck that Silent Hills had to be cancelled though.
It does suck that Silent Hills had to be cancelled though.
Mr. Giggles
Member
Yup, good chance someone in a big shot studio is eyeing him!!
And maybe he can keep working on the game but instead of "silent hills" they call it "mute mountain"
No, the delisting was a smart business move on Konami's part.
The Office torture scenario like you said is very fascinating. As I stated before, if its like this video says it is, and "hundreds of people" are being effected, Im sure more than a excellent youtube reviewer putting his journalistic degree to use would have been tipped off or got the anonymous scoop.
That could very well be the case, and an actual journalist investigated, found it to be BS, and passed up making a story out of it