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Super Laser from Starkiller Base in EP7. Huh?

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Huh, no, people, Star Wars may not be hard sci-fi, but it's more sci-fi than fantasy.
Or maybe they use magic to power their ships and I just didn't pay attention.
Or like this moment when old Obi-Wan sneaked through the magically constructed Death Star to turn off the... magic shield or something ?
And droids are definitely magical beings.
 
What confused me more was the fact that it could charge up a second time for the end of the movie when it has to consume an entire sun to charge and it already fired once. And it clearly didn't move to another solar system.
 
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I'm gonna hack time!
 
Huh, no, people, Star Wars may not be hard sci-fi, but it's more sci-fi than fantasy.
Or maybe they use magic to power their ships and I just didn't pay attention.
Or like this moment when old Obi-Wan sneaked through the magically constructed Death Star to turn off the... magic shield or something ?
And droids are definitely magical constructs.

Star Wars is fantasy through a thin veil of sci-fi.
 
Star Wars is more fantasy than sci-fi? Now I've heard it all.

Edit: Actually, it makes sense if I think about it some more.
 
The movie does a bunch of stupid stuff that disobeys the rules set by the rest of the series.

The biggest of which are the superlaser hitting multiple planets in front of everyone on multiple planets, and Han being able to come out of hyperspace directly onto a planet, bypassing all shields and defenses because fuck you.
 
No, the dumber thing was Rey, Fin, Solo and the rest of the gang seeing the laser destroying Coruscant and the neighboring planets as if it happened in orbit just above them.

Similar shit happened in the Star Trek reboot when Spock watched the destruction of Vulkan.

Abrams doesn't understand just how vast interplanetary distances are.

just to note that it wasnt Coruscant

Star Wars is more fantasy than sci-fi? Now I've heard it all.

Edit: Actually, it makes sense if I think about it some more.

yeah because, moving things with your mind, become a force ghost, jumping 3 meters high, is so based on science
 
No, the dumber thing was Rey, Fin, Solo and the rest of the gang seeing the laser destroying Coruscant and the neighboring planets as if it happened in orbit just above them.

Similar shit happened in the Star Trek reboot when Spock watched the destruction of Vulkan.

Abrams doesn't understand just how vast interplanetary distances are.

This should be mandatory viewing for all Sci-Fi directors:

http://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html
 
Starkiller base is the worse. There is a lot you can do in scifi and in the case of Star Wars scif-fantasy but like any story you need to work within the rules and logic you setup for your world. If you're going to change it then explain it. Starkiller base breaks the logic Star Wars has setup for itself as far as technology goes I believe in a very stupid way. To the point where it looking cool simply doesn't get anywhere near to being good enough for me to ignore the utter dumbness behind it. That's not even getting into the lack of science behind it in general. The fact that more people aren't bothered by it is maddening to me.

The thing with Starkiller base that got to me in real time when I saw that movie is the draining of the sun to power it!? Then there is firing a beam across space, it being visible from other planets that shouldn't be near the beam but I guess was super close due to how quickly the First Order got there to capture Rey and into a different star system!? Then there is the actual splitting of the beam itself, not when the shot is fired or from impact but at the end when it reaches it's destination, and having accuracy to hit separate planets!?!?!? Nothing about that thing makes any damn sense. People will say the "Death Star" but the Death Star makes sense in how it actually functions.
 
The point is that the people who wrote the movie should have thought about these things more. It's their job, after all.
It's their job to write a good movie. Not to overthink every little detail and give explanations for everything.

"The beam could travel through hyperspace." Done.
 
I love The Force Awakens, probably my third favorite Star Wars movie, but the Starkiller Base sequence was the worst part of the movie and really seemed unnecessary. They just blew up a bunch of planets that we don't currently have any connection to just yet. At least the duel on the station was fire.
 
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Starkiller_Base

Starkiller Base was a mobile,[3][7] forested ice planet[6] located in the Unknown Regions.[1] The First Order, a junta that believed themselves to be the successors to the ideals of the Galactic Empire,[8] converted the planet into a base of operations owing to its unique energy-transmitting crystalline deposits,[9] and used it to house a superweapon capable of destroying entire star systems.[6] The superweapon consumed stars as a power source via a method which cut off starlight from the surface, and would move on to a new star system after depleting a particular star.[10] Its mobility was provided by rocket ports on the far side of the base.[7]

The weapon ran on a type of dark energy called "quintessence", which was ubiquitous in the universe, and offered a practically unlimited power source to the First Order. Using a star as a power source, an array of collectors on one side of the planet would gather dark energy in stages, redirecting it to the planetary core, where it was held in place by the natural magnetic field of the planet, as well as an artificial containment field maintained by the machinery the First Order had installed within the crust. As the planetary magnetic field would not be enough to contain the amount of energy that the weapon required, a thermal oscillator[4] was built into the planet. It generated an oscillating containment field which allowed the installation to expend considerably less energy at containing the dark energy than would be required using a steady containment field. A colossal hollow cylinder, large enough to dominate the view of the planet from orbit, penetrated the containment field to a predetermined distance, in order to direct the blast towards its target, and also to absorb its energy, which would otherwise cause catastrophic groundquakes. This design made the weapon vulnerable when it was fully charged, as the destruction of the containment field oscillator the moment before the weapon fired would release the accumulated energy not through the firing cylinder, but throughout the planetary core where it was being held, leading to the gradual collapse of the surface into the core.[2]

As Starkiller Base was charged through the power of stars, it gradually blocked out sunlight until, running at full capacity, it extinguished it completely, leaving the surface in darkness. In order for the weapon to fire, its weapons engineers would induce a breach in the containment field, allowing the collected dark energy to escape the core through the hollow cylinder opening on the antipodes of the planet relative to the stellar collector. During this process, the dark energy transformed to a state known as "phantom energy", and left the planet behind, tearing a hole through hyperspace along a perfectly linear path. The people stationed at the Base called the dimension through which the phantom energy beam traveled "sub-hyperspace", and this method of delivering the payload was near-instantaneous across vast distances. The rotation and inclination of the planet had to be taken into account for the weapon to target something, and also the lack of obstacles between it and the target, as the phantom energy beam would only be intercepted by an object of sufficient mass (like a planet). When the phantom energy struck a planet, the interaction produced enough heat to ignite the planet's core, creating a pocket nova. The space-time disruption caused by the phantom energy's passage would make the nova instantaneously visible thousands of light years away.

This is worse than Midichlorians.

Let's not talk about the Starkiller Base's planet not being big enough to sustain gravity or an atmosphere.
 
Huh, no, people, Star Wars may not be hard sci-fi, but it's more sci-fi than fantasy.
Or maybe they use magic to power their ships and I just didn't pay attention.
Or like this moment when old Obi-Wan sneaked through the magically constructed Death Star to turn off the... magic shield or something ?
And droids are definitely magical beings.
Star Wars is fantasy through a thin veil of sci-fi.
Star Wars is more fantasy than sci-fi? Now I've heard it all.

Edit: Actually, it makes sense if I think about it some more.

It's both, it borrows themes and ideas from both genres.
 
The real question is why they thought building another death star was a good idea after the last two got easily blown up by poor raggedy space truckers and desert farmers
 
Having spiritual elements doesn't make it fantasy though.
(also, midichlorians, lol)
If Star Wars isn't sci-fi, neither is Star Trek.

It's science fantasy. It's only scifi in the loosest way, like Flash Gordon.

It's supposed to be a pulpy space opera with mythological themes. Nobody cares about how anything in it works because it doesn't matter.
 
This was the most head-scratching part of TFA. The First Order blew up a damn solar system, including the Republic capital, and no one cared. Didn't the First Order win? I mean they basically accomplished their goal, do they even need the base anymore?
 
I think the one thing everyone unanimously agrees on, whether you liked or disliked the movie, was that Starkiller Base was one of the weaker parts of the movie. I'm not against the idea of the Empire/First Order continuing to try to perfect the Death Star concept, but Starkiller Base just felt like overkill.

it was the moment I realized I was literally watching episode iv and pretty much spoiled the rest of the movie.
 
This has always been my problem with The Force Awakens and J.J. Abrams' science-fiction movies as a whole. He breaks the rules of the universes he works within simply because it looks cool -- the consequences be damned. Let's not forget interstellar transporting in Star Trek Into Darkness.
 
This has always been my problem with The Force Awakens and J.J. Abrams' science-fiction movies as a whole. He breaks the rules of the universes he works within simply because it looks cool -- the consequences be damned. Let's not forget interstellar transporting in Star Trek Into Darkness.

I'll have to disagree with you here, we should definitely forget Into Darkness.
 
how do the laser swords work anyway? how do the laser know where to stop from not just shooting in a straight line for forever?
 
When I first heard that star killer base, I thought it blew up stars. I mean, that would make more sense then having a giant beam that splits into multiple beams to destroy a few planets.

Plus it would make more sense as to why Han and co could see the explosion from a different solar system. Supernova are bright as hell.
 
It's both, it borrows themes and ideas from both genres.

Right and wrong. You are right that it borrows themes from both. But sci-fi by definition has to have a rational line of thought based on future possible technology. Getting in to space magic and the like rejects that notion.
 
When I first heard that star killer base, I thought it blew up stars. I mean, that would make more sense then having a giant beam that splits into multiple beams to destroy a few planets.

Plus it would make more sense as to why Han and co could see the explosion from a different solar system. Supernova are bright as hell.
It's also just hard to imagine the beam splitting in such ways that it manages to hit each planet which no doubt are at different angles.
 
Light sabers that emit a beam of light that stops, and laser guns that shoot a beam that visibly travels slower than the speed of light, space ships that have gravity in space, that move like fighter jets in a vacuum. All these are fine but the space laser is one too far.
 
This has always been my problem with The Force Awakens and J.J. Abrams' science-fiction movies as a whole. He breaks the rules of the universes he works within simply because it looks cool -- the consequences be damned. Let's not forget interstellar transporting in Star Trek Into Darkness.

I definitely agree with this, he doesn't follow a universes own rules it previous set. Even ignoring the interstellar transporting which would make most space travel in star trek completely pointless, he has fucked around with Warp Speed in Star Trek and Hyperspace in Star Wars now.

In both he has made their faster than light travel impossibly fast compared to previous iterations. In both Star Trek and Star Wars it could take days to get somewhere, this you could see in the films and TV and characters would go off and do something and come back before arrival. Luke had time to get some training, play some chess, maybe have a nap. You'd have all the ship personnel in Star Trek come back from doing stuff whenever they reached anywhere. In the JJ Abrams world going anywhere takes a couple of minutes, in Into Darkness coming back from Kronos and running away from a big evil starship, 2 minutes back to Earth. Not only 2 minutes, but they accidentally get forced out of warp next to Earth, going the speeds they were going I can't imagine in universe how that would happen. In Star Trek it would take half a day for the Enterprise E to get to our nearest star, I can't imagine the sort of space war Starfleet and the Klingons might have if it takes a minute to get to each other.

So yea, in JJ Abrams world he'll take something that is quick and cool over maintaining any universe rules that already existed.

Light sabers that emit a beam of light that stops, and laser guns that shoot a beam that visibly travels slower than the speed of light, space ships that have gravity in space, that move like fighter jets in a vacuum. All these are fine but the space laser is one too far.

In Star Wars they shoot plasma, not lasers, just saying.
 
Did the OT ever explain how you can hear all the planets and ships blowing up even thought there's no gas to transmit the sound to the observer?

Literally unwatchable.
 
RE DS1:

According to the Star Wars: Incredible Cross-Sections, the first Death Star was 75 miles (160 kilometers) in diameter. This number gave a starting point to calculate the volume of the Death Star, or how much space is inside the sphere.

The volume of the Death Star is 220,781 cubic miles. Of course, we needed to know the volume in cubic feet. This number is about 32.5 quadrillion cubic feet

To take something already absurd and make it slightly more absurd should make nobody as upset as some of the people in this thread. That the Empire put so much effort into three doomsday machines with such easily (yes I said easy, Han) exploited single points of failure is a much bigger "problem" for the entire series.

Cut Abrams a break. It was an entertaining Star Wars movie. Had just as many holes in the plot as any other.
 
No, the dumber thing was Rey, Fin, Solo and the rest of the gang seeing the laser destroying Coruscant and the neighboring planets as if it happened in orbit just above them.

Similar shit happened in the Star Trek reboot when Spock watched the destruction of Vulkan.

Abrams doesn't understand just how vast interplanetary distances are.

That wasn't Coruscant.
 
JJ has the same talent for carefully establishing believable foundations for his set pieces as he does for his character development.

nothing in this film is earned, even within its own logic.
 
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Starkiller_Base



This is worse than Midichlorians.

Let's not talk about the Starkiller Base's planet not being big enough to sustain gravity or an atmosphere.
JFC this really is worse than Midichlorians. It's like how a crackpot conspiracy theory repeatedly pulls shit out of its ass to fill in every gap in logic.

"How did it-" "SPACE MAGIC"
"But then it split into-" "SPAACCEE MAGGICCC"
"But then people could see it fro-" "SSSPPPAAACCEEE MAAAGGIIICCCCCC *spittle flies everywhere*"

That wasn't Coruscant.
Of course the other question is, if you had a superweapon that had unlimited reach and could blow away multiple planets with one shot, why would you NOT use it to blow up vital locations on the enemy side, like... you know... their headquarters?

Nope, random expendable planets. Just for show.
 
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