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[Pizza]

...Yes, I know. Doesn't mean that I have to be happy that they seem to be devoting much of the DLC development to characters I've already played as.



Would you not prefer to play as someone entirely new, though? I mean, I've already played as Lucas, Roy, Mewtwo and Wolf in previous games. I wish they'd spend the time and cash required to develop these characters on new characters with new movesets, personally.

Honestly, unless they significantly redevelop the characters, I'm not interested in buying Wolf or Roy. Particularly Roy- what a half-hearted choice that is.

I really value returning characters, I think it sucks when some fighters drop a character: that's a moveset and someone's favorite character thrown into the wind.

I think that making a second game and filling both with mostly half-hearted game modes was a lump of dev time that really should have gone towards more stages and characters.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

The Wii U screen is easily scalable to have around ~70 characters comfortably (14 columns, 5 rows). We've had people do mockups of it in topics here. That wouldn't be a issue.

The last mockup I saw capped out at 10 DLC characters before it couldn't happen.

I haven't seen any larger than that.

 

[Roo]

Screen capped

It was nice to meet him.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Edited: never mind this post. That's what I get for not refreshing the thread. :x

Scorpion wasn't requested for Injustice, & his inclusion was even questioned by fans.

Yeah, Ryce specifically said that.

There's a history of the best-selling DLC characters in fighting games being the least embraced/requested by the community, like Freddy Krueger in Mortal Kombat and Scorpion in Injustice.

 

[Troubled Bat]

I would take that bet. We ain't getting Isaac unless he's far and away the poll winner and... lol.

I'm actually hopeful for a DK or Metroid character finally. Ridley has no chance, but if K Rool is ever gonna get in, this is how.

I don't believe those 6 are part of the poll, but already planned spots.

I don't see DK/Metroid getting another rep through the DLC.

 

[TDLink]

The last mockup I saw capped out at 10 DLC characters before it couldn't happen.

I haven't seen any larger than that.

I'll try to find the mockup I saw, but it's not hard to imagine adding one more column and one more row from what we already have

 

[Sponge]

I don't see DK/Metroid getting another rep through the DLC.

Not even Dixie? Tons of people think she should have been on the roster to begin with.

 

[NeonZ]

a page 2, yea, but you can't really add a second page to the Wii U, as it's a shared menu.

It could work like the Mii selection.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I'll try to find the mockup I saw, but it's not hard to imagine adding one more column and one more row from what we already have

Yes

That's exactly what I said

10 more slots. 2 more columns can be added (8) + the 2 free spots the CSS already had.

It cannot go any smaller. I haven't seen a mockup that added another row. Only columns.

It could work like the Mii selection.

Not really. You get 3-4 fighters in a little box and not only does it become a huge pain to navigate, but CPUs on that block are a mess. YOu could have 5 different characters in the game, all on the same time and you just have to fumble around trying to change the CPU you want to change. It's already bad enough with Miis.

And again. This is with more than 10 DLC characters. We're never getting that many.

 

[Labrynian Rebel]

General Onox would be a really unique fighter!

 

[Ryce]

Yes

That's exactly what I said

10 more slots. 2 more columns can be added (8) + the 2 free spots the CSS already had.

It cannot go any smaller.

Yeah, any smaller and it would look too ridiculous.

 

[MaverickHunterAsh]

Ugh, it seems like K. Rool has become the new Ridley in terms of how people are being really rude and insulting to one another over his inclusion (or lack thereof). That's unfortunate... I'd hoped we'd moved past this. SmashGAF gonna SmashGAF, I suppose.

I know one thing for sure, though: whether he's a good choice or not, I'm gonna be damn sick of hearing about K. Rool by the time all the DLC characters are revealed and released. Just like Ridley!

 

[Dragmire]

Because Donkey Kong is under represented in Smash and I'd rather have more Nintendo characters then third party ones.

I'd like more DK representation as well, but almost any character is better than K. Rool to me. Imo that's like putting Joanna Dark into the roster or something. A character that has popularity but doesn't fit very well with other, better-designed characters. I love Jet Force Gemini but I wouldn't want Juno, Velo, Lupus or (god forbid) frigging Mizar touching this game.

Edit: You're right MaverickHunterAsh. Sorry for contributing to it. For me, the requests for him are getting tedious. But it's not going to stop so I shouldn't say anything.

 

[Troubled Bat]

Third-Party/Guest characters sell. That is a fact.

Not even Dixie? Tons of people think she should have been on the roster to begin with.

Nope, I don't really see it happening. Even if she was planned for Brawl. I just don't see the DLC going for her.

 

[Sponge]

Ugh, it seems like K. Rool has become the new Ridley in terms of how people are being really rude and insulting to one another over his inclusion (or lack thereof). That's unfortunate... I'd hoped we'd moved past this. SmashGAF gonna SmashGAF, I suppose.

Glad I'm not the only one who's seeing this. People should vote for who they want and not be judged for it.

Example, if Miku somehow got in Smash the first thing I'd do is congratulate Horizon and challenge him to a mirror match.

Nope, I don't really see it happening. Even if she was planned for Brawl. I just don't see the DLC going for her.

Fair enough. She was planned to be a dual character with Diddy, if I remember correctly. Plus with K. Rool getting so many votes I have a fear Dixie may get overlooked.

 

[Azure J]

Ugh, it seems like K. Rool has become the new Ridley in terms of how people are being really rude and insulting to one another over his inclusion (or lack thereof). That's unfortunate... I'd hoped we'd moved past this. SmashGAF gonna SmashGAF, I suppose.

I know one thing for sure, though: whether he's a good choice or not, I'm gonna be damn sick of hearing about K. Rool by the time all the DLC characters are revealed and released. Just like Ridley!

Honestly, this is just how it is when a character breaks out into top 3 status worldwide. It's also one of the big reasons why I want Mewtwo, K. Rool and Ridley in already just to see what the dialogue will look like with the next three biggest character fan bases gaining traction.

Who would everyone say is in the tier after this?

Edit: Sponge with the awesome response. Miku mirror matches for everyone. :lol

 

[TDLink]

Yes

That's exactly what I said

10 more slots. 2 more columns can be added (8) + the 2 free spots the CSS already had.

It cannot go any smaller. I haven't seen a mockup that added another row. Only columns.

And again. This is with more than 10 DLC characters. We're never getting that many.

It's not exactly what you said because I'm talking about adding a row as well, which is possible. In general though I agree we probably won't get more than 10 characters, if that many.

Yeah, any smaller and it would look too ridiculous.

Well that is with 15 columns rather than 14. That additional width from not having a 15th column could allow the height on each box to be decreased without it looking too small. Currently the selection icons are more rectangles than squares anyways, so it would make sense to continue that.

 

[RPGamer92]

Yeah, any smaller and it would look too ridiculous.

Pichu would be awful. Should put Simon Belmont or Snake in instead.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Would you not prefer to play as someone entirely new, though? I mean, I've already played as Lucas, Roy, Mewtwo and Wolf in previous games. I wish they'd spend the time and cash required to develop these characters on new characters with new movesets, personally.

Honestly, unless they significantly redevelop the characters, I'm not interested in buying Wolf or Roy. Particularly Roy- what a half-hearted choice that is.

Well, I don't like to see characters getting cut, so that's why I'm happy for people who are getting their favorite characters back. Most of gamers are attached to their characters so it suck hardcore when their characters got cut. Take a look at Boss Doggie, see how devastated he is without his Wolf.

I apologize if I sound a prick but I'm pretty satisfying with my roster because I already got the characters I wanted. My stance on downloadable characters is pretty much flexible since I look it as It's like adding more sprinkles and candies on top of my delicious cupcake.

 

[Troubled Bat]

Fair enough. She was planned to be a dual character with Diddy, if I remember correctly. Plus with K. Rool getting so many votes I have a fear Dixie may get overlooked.

I would have expected that, it made a lot of sense, and it'd give us another dual character. Maybe I would have loved Diddy's moveset more.

I just want to know by the end of the ballot, what the top 15 characters are.

Who would everyone say is in the tier after this?

Back to Geno.

 

[Stumpokapow]

I will close my account if they make another DKC game without K. Rool in it.

given that this isn't your first gaf account, i kind of think this would be a bit of an empty threat.

 

[TDLink]

This isn't the mockup I saw before, but conceptually it's similar in how an additional row could work:

There's still enough space in all of the current boxes where their height could be decreased so that the icons effectively become mostly each character's head/face rather than showing more beyond that.

 

[Fandangox]

I will close my account if they make another DKC game without K. Rool in it. The return of the Kremlings seems inevitable at this point.

Well I hope you are still here for when I do my LTTP/RTTP Kong edition thread. We will miss you though.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Nope, I don't really see it happening. Even if she was planned for Brawl. I just don't see the DLC going for her.

Well, you were wrong about characters in past so it's possible that you could be wrong for that ;P

Anyway, why you can't really see it? Just curious!

given that this isn't your first gaf account, i kind of think this would be a bit of an empty threat.

LMAO! I'm totally not surprised about it.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

given that this isn't your first gaf account, i kind of think this would be a bit of an empty threat.

Maybe the next account will be less annoying, at least, so there's some hope.

 

[Azure J]

That mockup with the truncated selections is bordering on 3DS levels of tiny. As much as the promise of "all the characters ever" is tantalizing and such an organization would help out, I actually do like the way things are done now and probably wouldn't allot that much more space away for allowing more character portraits.

Also, when did Bandana Dee become so popular? In a series that has Adeline who could go all ChalkZone and be the best character to graft some basic "Canvas/Rainbow Curse" mechanics onto because of her theme? :lol

 

[Sponge]

Also, when did Bandana Dee become so popular? In a series that has Adeline who could go all ChalkZone and be the best character to graft some basic "Canvas/Rainbow Curse" mechanics onto because of her theme? :lol

I think it started once people noticed he was showing up in more games after Return to Dreamland. Adeline could potentially be awesome but I wouldn't be opposed to Bandana Dee either.

 

[Coffee Dog]

Dixie was going to be paired with Diddy because that's all she deserves. We don't need another chimpanzee fighter on the roster.

 

[Sponge]

Dixie was going to be paired with Diddy because that's all she deserves. We don't need another chimpanzee fighter on the roster.

I wouldn't say that. I think they could do a fantastic job at giving her a moveset different from Diddy.

 

[JazzmanZ]

This isn't the mockup I saw before, but conceptually it's similar in how an additional row could work:

There's still enough space in all of the current boxes where their height could be decreased so that the icons effectively become mostly each character's head/face rather than showing more beyond that.

so uh, how does one manage to fit all 8 player select icons onto a single panel if they end up this small?

 

[IntelliHeath]

Also, when did Bandana Dee become so popular? In a series that has Adeline who could go all ChalkZone and be the best character to graft some basic "Canvas/Rainbow Curse" mechanics onto because of her theme? :lol

I have no idea but I always thought that Bandana Dee become popular because people want to find a Kirby Newcomer and sticks with it.

 

[TDLink]

"Bandana Dee" is a suggestion I'm seeing more and more which really feels like scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of characters. If that's the best we can do for a fourth Kirby character then I don't really think we need a fourth Kirby character.

 

[Coffee Dog]

I wouldn't say that. I think they could do a fantastic job at giving her a moveset different from Diddy.

yeah, but she's still another light and fast chimpanzee character and I don't think we need another.

 

[Blood Diamonds]

Bayonetta and Wolf please

 

[TDLink]

so uh, how does one manage to fit all 8 player select icons onto a single panel if they end up this small?

I am not looking at the game right now but I feel like the select tokens sort of shrink, overlap, and get pushed away slightly when more people select the same character. I imagine they can just continue to do that.

You can see what I mean at the beginning of this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SGT8P_T63A

 

[Ingueferroque]

Yes

That's exactly what I said

10 more slots. 2 more columns can be added (8) + the 2 free spots the CSS already had.

It cannot go any smaller. I haven't seen a mockup that added another row. Only columns.



Not really. You get 3-4 fighters in a little box and not only does it become a huge pain to navigate, but CPUs on that block are a mess. YOu could have 5 different characters in the game, all on the same time and you just have to fumble around trying to change the CPU you want to change. It's already bad enough with Miis.

And again. This is with more than 10 DLC characters. We're never getting that many.

They should probably implement a tab system so you can switch between multiple tables, and perhaps allow you to set 'favorites' that are collected in a specific tab.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

given that this isn't your first gaf account, i kind of think this would be a bit of an empty threat.

 

[Hatchtag]

You think there'll be any trophies/assist trophies/items added in updates? I can understand no Custom Robo playable characters, but the cut of all Custom Robo content just sucks. Makes the series' future look really bleak.

I kinda think Shovel Knight might get a trophy a la Commander Video. He's a really popular poll choice and I doubt the people behind Shovel Knight would ever say no to that.

 

[Pizza]

This isn't the mockup I saw before, but conceptually it's similar in how an additional row could work:

There's still enough space in all of the current boxes where their height could be decreased so that the icons effectively become mostly each character's head/face rather than showing more beyond that.

Now this is a CSS I could get behind! There is a ton of space in there! Smash could theoretically reach mugen levels of silly-huge character select screen size:

Plz

 

[BassForever]

I feel the more dlc characters we get, the more I'm okay with most of the cut characters being included as DLC. If we only get 6 like some are discussing with 4 of those 6 being cut melee/brawl vets and half of those being clearly inspired by other characters on the roster (Lucas from Ness, Roy from Marth, Wolf from Fox/Falco) then I'd be more frustrated with only 2 true newcomers being added as dlc.

While I get wanting to save characters for the inevitable Smash 5, I feel the benefit of these dlc characters is that we can get some of the more oddball minor characters who may not otherwise get a shot in Smash like a Shovel Knight or a Wonder Red or a Bayonetta. Something like an Inkling or a future gen pokemon (yeah I know gen 7 isn't announced yet, but odds are a Smash 5 will get some kind of new pokemon character) are characters they could/should save for Smash 5 as those would get the biggest reaction from a general audience. Someone obscure like a Geno or an Isaac fits better into the role as dlc character as it'll appeal to the niche who's most likely going to buy these dlc.

given that this isn't your first gaf account, i kind of think this would be a bit of an empty threat.

DAAAAAAAMN!

 

[Crayolan]

"Bandana Dee" is a suggestion I'm seeing more and more which really feels like scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of characters. If that's the best we can do for a fourth Kirby character then I don't really think we need a fourth Kirby character.

People will always insist that franchises need new characters just because every series needs a new rep every game or something. In reality Mario and Zelda haven't needed a new rep since Melee, and yeah, Kirby doesn't need a new rep either. All those franchises have all their most important characters repped and any other reps are unnecessary. Rosalina is already a pretty bottom of the barrel choice IMO.

 

[TDLink]

Now this is a CSS I could get behind! There is a ton of space in there! Smash could theoretically reach mugen levels of silly-huge character select screen size:

Plz

Well that one is clearly ridiculous haha. My main point is the current select screen still has a lot of flexibility and can still feasibly shrink without becoming unusable.

 

[Azure J]

You think there'll be any trophies/assist trophies/items added in updates? I can understand no Custom Robo playable characters, but the cut of all Custom Robo content just sucks. Makes the series' future look really bleak.

I kinda think Shovel Knight might get a trophy a la Commander Video. He's a really popular poll choice and I doubt the people behind Shovel Knight would ever say no to that.

I'd love to see more ATs just to see where they'd pull from.

Spoiler

Watch them introduce Mike Jones and Lip ATs to fuck with me. :lol

I want more trophies, specifically Megaman Zero series stuff, Shantae and other cool things. I've always loved trophies in Smash.

 

[TDLink]

People will always insist that franchises need new characters just because every series needs a new rep every game or something. In reality Mario and Zelda haven't needed a new rep since Melee, and yeah, Kirby doesn't need a new rep either. All those franchises have all their most important characters repped and any other reps are unnecessary. Rosalina is already a pretty bottom of the barrel choice IMO.

I only half agree with you here. I don't think Rosalina is bottom of the barrel because she's an actual character, and one that has even been playable in a main Mario platformer game. For Mario the bottom of the barrel kind of choice would be like Paratroopa or Goomba or something.

For Zelda I still think there are a few viable choices that could be made into playable characters.

Kirby just doesn't really have more notable characters than the 3 already in the game.

 

[BassForever]

Thanks to Hyrule Warriors I feel Impa is now deserving to rep the Zelda franchise or a real Ganondorf that plays like he does in the Zelda franchise.

 

[Azure J]

People will always insist that franchises need new characters just because every series needs a new rep every game or something. In reality Mario and Zelda haven't needed a new rep since Melee, and yeah, Kirby doesn't need a new rep either. All those franchises have all their most important characters repped and any other reps are unnecessary. Rosalina is already a pretty bottom of the barrel choice IMO.

While I agree with the general idea of this post (and only to a certain extent), Rosalina is actually an example of how to do an addition to the big boy franchises well. Totally unique game play gimmicks, represents the entirety of a high point in the franchise she's from and addressed a pre-existing demand for more gender equality in the roster (while not the only reason for a character's inclusion, it shouldn't be underestimated or downplayed)? Not to mention her emergent popularity leading to playable roles in other Nintendo multi games?

If other franchises had characters like this readily on call, they'd totally be warranted.

 

[Crayolan]

I only half agree with you here. I don't think Rosalina is bottom of the barrel because she's an actual character, and one that has even been playable in a main Mario platformer game. For Mario the bottom of the barrel kind of choice would be like Paratroopa or Goomba or something.

For Zelda I still think there are a few viable choices that could be made into playable characters.

Kirby just doesn't really have more notable characters than the 3 already in the game.

Well I'm not trying to say there are no viable choices left for those series, just that we don't really need those characters. For example, I think Bowser Jr. was a pretty good choice for a Mario character and I'm happy he's in the game, but the roster wouldn't exactly feel like it was missing something without him.

 

[MrSaturn99]

Not gonna lie, I've always wanted Parasol Waddle Dee as the new joke character.

mainly since a) I love Waddle Dee and b) I miss the Parasol and want it to come back in some form.

 

[Pizza]

Well that one is clearly ridiculous haha. My main point is the current select screen still has a lot of flexibility and can still feasibly shrink without becoming unusable.

Oh I know, hahaha it was crazy that during pre-brawl that these superdense character select screens were touted around as "leaks"


But I agree with your point! I hadn't seen the boxes being shrank a little before, but that small amount of shrinkage gives serious space for additional characters

 

[Sponge]

yeah, but she's still another light and fast chimpanzee character and I don't think we need another.

There's not many Donkey Kong characters that aren't an ape or a monkey. I guess that's one of the reasons people want K. Rool.

Cranky's the only other character I could see working.