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Well I'm not trying to say there are no viable choices left for those series, just that we don't really need those characters. For example, I think Bowser Jr. was a pretty good choice for a Mario character and I'm happy he's in the game, but the roster wouldn't exactly feel like it was missing something without him.

That's true, but I think we're at that point with all of the franchises in the current roster, except perhaps DK and Metroid (and that's arguable since apart from Ridley or Dark Samus who do you even do). Most of the characters they could add at this point are from less popular/more niche franchises or games that have yet to get playable character representation. And in general that is what we got a lot of with the Smash 4 additions.
 
Well, you were wrong about characters in past so it's possible that you could be wrong for that ;P

Anyway, why you can't really see it? Just curious!

I could be, and if I am. So be it!

Because it's another character that should have been included to get their chance. I don't see Dixie being some priority when it comes to DLC. My thoughts are on super popular characters, or more characters that aren't represented in the game.

But what do I know? ╮(╯▽╰)╭
 
People will always insist that franchises need new characters just because every series needs a new rep every game or something. In reality Mario and Zelda haven't needed a new rep since Melee, and yeah, Kirby doesn't need a new rep either. All those franchises have all their most important characters repped and any other reps are unnecessary. Rosalina is already a pretty bottom of the barrel choice IMO.
Or maybe some of us just like the character? I know it's a crazy concept.
 
Dixie was going to be paired with Diddy because that's all she deserves. We don't need another chimpanzee fighter on the roster.
Dixie is located at the bottom of the character ID list with the other late additions, not directly after Diddy, suggesting that she was going to be a standalone character after the tag team idea was scrapped.

Rosalina is already a pretty bottom of the barrel choice IMO.
No way. Super Mario Galaxy was a really big deal, and Rosalina's playable in 3D World. A bottom of the barrel Mario character would be Daisy or Waluigi.
 
Fully expecting them to be third party characters and for Nintendo to drop bombs at E3 with DLC reveals and cross promotion.
This.

As I said before, makes lil sense to hope that cut content throws a large enuff net with DLC that it dominates. Other than IC ALL vets are in the same boat and can be "more easily redid".

They're gonna bring in Ryu which tells us a lot of things people don't like to think about. IMO it's gonna be a 2nd character from different series for the 2 other 3rd party companies (Namco, Sega. Expecting Tekken Character after what the big Namco guy had to say about Tekken and smash fans recently. For Sega I hope for Bayo ...). 3rd parties are always hype as hell reveals and will get Nintendo more boons than a vet.
 
Dixie is located at the bottom of the character ID list with the other late additions, not directly after Diddy, suggesting that she was going to be a standalone character after the tag team idea was scrapped.


No way. Super Mario Galaxy was a really big deal, and Rosalina's playable in 3D World. A bottom of the barrel Mario character would be Daisy or Waluigi.

Paper Mario would the bottom of the barrel
 
That's true, but I think we're at that point with all of the franchises in the current roster, except perhaps DK and Metroid (and that's arguable since apart from Ridley or Dark Samus who do you even do). Most of the characters they could add at this point are from less popular/more niche franchises or games that have yet to get playable character representation. And in general that is what we got a lot of with the Smash 4 additions.
In terms of already represented franchises, Wario Ware has existed for a bit over 10 years and already has had six games released in retail so far (7 if you count Mega Party Games). I've said before that the only thing holding more Wario Ware representation back is that it's hard to prioritize one character over the other, it seems Ashley is more popular in Japan, people like her in the West too but I also see a lot of request for Jimmy T and Mona as well. But despite that, Wario Ware is probably the franchise in Smash with the most room to grow, even though people seem to overlook it a lot during character requests.

I'd actually say that Animal Crossing is in a slightly similar position. It's released almost as many games as Wario Ware and has great popularity as well, but it becomes difficult to decide who a newcomer should be. It's also hard for me at least to see how to differentiate the characters' movesets, but I could see Mr. Resetti using his pickaxe, just as an example.

In terms of unrepresented series, you have your stuff like Advance Wars, Golden Sun, Custom Robo, etc... Stuff that gets a lot of requests but hasn't been relevant in the current gen. If Isaac continues to get support on the poll, I can see him getting in, but Andy/Sami and Ray have an uphill battle.

So where does that leave unused Nintendo IP? I think Rhythm Heaven makes a lot of sense, we know Chorus Kids were likely going to be in the game, and Nintendo is still actively supporting that franchise, with a fourth game in the series coming to Japan soon. If Splatoon catches on, a character can be used from there as well. One series that is largely ignored in terms of roster requests that is still active from Nintendo is Style Savvy. I think their third game has already been released on the 3DS, and that's a series that started in 2008 and sticks to handhelds. If Sakurai is struck with inspiration, I can see him including Style Savvy representation as an oddball inclusion for the next game, much like how Wii Fit Trainer was introduced in Smash 4.

And of course, we'll probably get a random retro inclusion in the next Smash as well, but with Duck Hunt already on the roster, who will Sakurai choose? Takamaru? Lip? Ayumi Tachibana? Although I'd be interested in both of their characters, their history of being primarily Japanese-only may give them difficulty in being put on the roster. But I'm having trouble thinking of other wacky retro characters that could be included, so it'll be interesting to see what direction, if any, Sakurai goes with for retro characters next go around.
 
IMO it's gonna be a 2nd character from different series for the 2 other 3rd party companies (Namco, Sega). 3rd parties are always hype as hell reveals and will get Nintendo more boons than a vet. Not to mention they they always top these polls.
Street Fighter sells better than Mega Man and has been around for just as long, and Ryu and Mega Man can both be considered Capcom's mascot. Even GameFAQs thinks Ryu is Capcom's mascot, and that poll was taken a week before the leak.

Namco and Sega are in a completely different boat. As far as popularity and mainstream recognition go, there's a huge drop-off after Pac-Man and Sonic. Those companies don't have a Ryu equivalent character. Namco has Tekken, but I doubt someone like Heihachi would be playable after including Ryu. That wouldn't be exciting.

Granted, there could be additional guest characters from other companies, but I don't think Ryu necessarily means anything for Namco or Sega. He's in a unique position.
 
While I agree with the general idea of this post (and only to a certain extent), Rosalina is actually an example of how to do an addition to the big boy franchises well. Totally unique game play gimmicks, represents the entirety of a high point in the franchise she's from and addressed a pre-existing demand for more gender equality in the roster (while not the only reason for a character's inclusion, it shouldn't be underestimated or downplayed)? Not to mention her emergent popularity leading to playable roles in other Nintendo multi games?

If other franchises had characters like this readily on call, they'd totally be warranted.

I just don't see Rosalina as important enough of a character. She's better than a handful of suggestions I've heard but she's only been a secret character in 1 mainline game and a side character in a few other games. She's about as important as Toad, but he at least has long time seniority in the franchise. And honestly, now that Captain Toad has had his own game, I feel he'd be a much better rep than her.

I also despise her gimmick but I think I'm alone in that.

That's true, but I think we're at that point with all of the franchises in the current roster, except perhaps DK and Metroid (and that's arguable since apart from Ridley or Dark Samus who do you even do). Most of the characters they could add at this point are from less popular/more niche franchises or games that have yet to get playable character representation. And in general that is what we got a lot of with the Smash 4 additions.

You're not wrong, but I see that as a good thing. Personally, I want to see as many Nintendo franchises repped with characters in smash as possible. That Smash 4 introduced so many new series to smash is one of the best things about it IMO.

Or maybe some of us just like the character? I know it's a crazy concept.

I feel the Smash roster should be held to a high standard.

When second or third rate characters from already over-repped franchises make up the majority of the character additions is when I'll be done with smash.
 
In terms of already represented franchises, Wario Ware has existed for a bit over 10 years and already has had six games released in retail so far (7 if you count Mega Party Games). I've said before that the only thing holding more Wario Ware representation back is that it's hard to prioritize one character over the other, it seems Ashley is more popular in Japan, people like her in the West too but I also see a lot of request for Jimmy T and Mona as well. But despite that, Wario Ware is probably the franchise in Smash with the most room to grow, even though people seem to overlook it a lot during character requests.

I agree. Wario is friggin huge ... would love Mona or Cap Syrup. Why people are fighting over an irrelevant DK villain as a 3rd DK rep instead of looking at how Wario doesn't even have a 2nd is just strange to me.
 
I feel the Smash roster should be held to a high standard.

When second or third rate characters from already over-repped franchises make up the majority of the character additions is when I'll be done with smash.

Why is it automatically assumed that the Smash roster isn't being held to a high standard when simple "extra" inclusions that aren't the MAIN main characters jump in? We're a far cry from splash screens depicting "Goomba shuffles on in!" despite what a lot of people think even going based on franchises commonly considered at "max capacity".

Mario: Daisy (contrary to everyone's love of ragging on the underdog princess, she has both popularity and a niche she could capitalize on if the next guy doesn't do it first), Waluigi, Toad/Captain Toad
Zelda: Impa, Tingle
DK: K. Rool, Dixie
Metroid: Dark Samus, Ridley
Fire Emblem: Too many different characters with too many different roles and too many different potential gameplay hooks to list
F-Zero: (I honestly feel like Captain Falcon does an amazing job by himself of representing this series but I know some people ask for one more just because)
Kirby: Bandana Dee (who feels a lot like the Goomba thing I mentioned at the start but at least has a strong distinction and potential gameplay hooks), Adeline
StarFox: (I got nothing, but I do know Krystal's still popular)
Wario: Mona, Ashley, 9Volt, Jimmy T, Waluigi (would he be a Mushroom Kingdom dude or Wario series dude..?), Captain Syrup
Kid Icarus: Viridi, Hades, Medusa

Not to say that every one of these characters should be added, but there's a great deal of interesting things to work with as well as very memorable figures to work with.
 
Same here!

Although I would love an HD Fountain of Dreams.

Fountain of Dreams and Fourside would definitely be stages I would not mind coming back, but beyond them that is about it.

Eh. The quality of stages in Smash 4 makes me really hope its mostly just N64 and Melee stages as opposed to new ones.

Wouldn't mind them being the "port" stages like Mario Circuit or Lumiose City without the gimmicks.
 
Why is it automatically assumed that the Smash roster isn't being held to a high standard when simple "extra" inclusions that aren't the MAIN main characters jump in? We're a far cry from splash screens depicting "Goomba shuffles on in!" despite what a lot of people think even going based on franchises commonly considered at "max capacity".

Mario: Daisy (contrary to everyone's love of ragging on the underdog princess, she has both popularity and a niche she could capitalize on if the next guy doesn't do it first), Waluigi, Toad/Captain Toad
Zelda: Impa, Tingle
DK: K. Rool, Dixie
Metroid: Dark Samus, Ridley
Fire Emblem: Too many different characters with too many different roles and too many different potential gameplay hooks to list
F-Zero: (I honestly feel like Captain Falcon does an amazing job by himself of representing this series but I know some people ask for one more just because)
Kirby: Bandana Dee (who feels a lot like the Goomba thing I mentioned at the start but at least has a strong distinction and potential gameplay hooks), Adeline
StarFox: (I got nothing, but I do know Krystal's still popular)
Wario: Mona, Ashley, 9Volt, Jimmy T, Waluigi (would he be a Mushroom Kingdom dude or Wario series dude..?), Captain Syrup
Kid Icarus: Viridi, Hades, Medusa

Not to say that every one of these characters should be added, but there's a great deal of interesting things to work with as well as very memorable figures to work with.

OK

Mario:When Daisy and Waluigi star in games of their own, then they'll be on Captain Toad's level. Until then they're side characters from side games.

Zelda: Impa and Tingle are unnecessary fluff. Link, Zelda, and Ganon are really all we need. And Shiek fills the same role as Impa anyway.

DK: I'm not arguing this, DK representation is lacking and both Dixie and K Rool are pretty important in the franchise. I'd feel better about K Rool if he would appear in a new game though.

Metroid: I agree that Ridley would be a pretty good rep for Metroid especially as a villain but unfortunately he's too big (lol). Dark Samus I think works better as an assist trophy.

Fire Emblem: Every FE protag is equally valid (other than Marth, who is a step up) but you can only have so many characters from any series so I think FE is good right where it is getting 1 rep per game (clones excluded).

F-Zero: I'd love to see a new F Zero rep as soon as F Zero gets a new game.

Kirby: Adeleine appeared in like 2 games and Bandanna Dee is essentially a generic enemy. I don't think any other Kirby characters are important enough within the franchise to justify getting in.

Starfox: I'm all for Wolf as a villain rep. I'm not familiar with the SF games so I can't speak for Krystal.

Wario: Every potential Wario rep is pretty much on equal standing so I'd be cool with 1 more.

Kid Icarus: Got 1 new rep (and a clone) for 1 new game. When KI gets another new game, that'll warrant another new rep.
 
Street Fighter sells better than Mega Man and has been around for just as long, and Ryu and Mega Man can both be considered Capcom's mascot. Even GameFAQs thinks Ryu is Capcom's mascot, and that poll was taken a week before the leak.

Namco and Sega are in a completely different boat. As far as popularity and mainstream recognition go, there's a huge drop-off after Pac-Man and Sonic. Those companies don't have a Ryu equivalent character. Namco has Tekken, but I doubt someone like Heihachi would be playable after including Ryu. That wouldn't be exciting.

Granted, there could be additional guest characters from other companies, but I don't think Ryu necessarily means anything for Namco or Sega. He's in a unique position.
I've said it before in this very thread ... it's easy to rationalize and explain a character after the fact (or after a leaked shapes up).

Ryu is Capcom's mascot ... because SF is their flagship series and they have shown to not give a rat's tail about MM. Regardless of this Ryu was never on most Smashers radar, many people favored the idea of a character Capcom can't be bothered to care about.

The same applies to Namco. Their Flagship series are Tekken, SC and Tales (which is why the head of Tekken listed those series when talking about Smash characters sometime ago as well as "what Namco fans want"). The only reason Sakurai told us for PacMan getting was Miyamoto asking for him. Those are their bread and butter, beloved series and Heihachi stands as the mascot for Tekken, their iconic fighting game and tent pole.

People are already calling Ryu a "boring pick" on the webz, not sure why that matters.

Bayo's a whole other deal ... and about as unique as you're gonna get deal wise.

That's why Ryu is so interesting. That's part of why people popped their tops at this leak. Proves that 1- the "1 character for a 3rd party" fan bs rule is fan bs. 2- A 3rd party company can pop in their fav mascot without it being something smashers have been ranting about on the forums. 3- Sakurai's willing to put in Fighting game characters.
 
They're gonna bring in Ryu which tells us a lot of things people don't like to think about. IMO it's gonna be a 2nd character from different series for the 2 other 3rd party companies (Namco, Sega. Expecting Tekken Character after what the big Namco guy had to say about Tekken and smash fans recently. For Sega I hope for Bayo ...). 3rd parties are always hype as hell reveals and will get Nintendo more boons than a vet.

This is what I've been starting to think too. My guess is that Sega would probably ask for a second Sonic character since I don't see them using Bayo for obvious reasons. I would guess that if Namco doesn't use Tekken, it would be a character from the Tales series. Odds are that it would be Lloyd in that case.
 
It's weird to me that Cranky Kong was just recently a playable character in a Donkey Kong game and he gets almost no support. I'm probably one of the few who would be cool with his inclusion.
 
I would be pretty happy if Dixie Kong was one of the DLC characters,after playing Tropical Freeze i couldn't love her more. Do you guys think that there will be any Indie games characters ? Like,certainly no SMB and such,but characters like Shovel Knight and others that their games have launched on Nintendo plataforms,because i would love to have Juan from Guacamelee on SSB,he even have the special attacks already !
 
I would be pretty happy if Dixie Kong was one of the DLC characters,after playing Tropical Freeze i couldn't love her more. Do you guys think that there will be any Indie games characters ? Like,certainly no SMB and such,but characters like Shovel Knight and others that their games have launched on Nintendo plataforms,because i would love to have Juan from Guacamelee on SSB,he even have the special attacks already !

Indie characters seem unlikely to me. They are all too new and and not as iconic as the current third party selections.
 
It's weird to me that Cranky Kong was just recently a playable character in a Donkey Kong game and he gets almost no support. I'm probably one of the few who would be cool with his inclusion.
Long ago I used to joke about Cranky Kong being a surprise dark horse pick for the game given he is the only consistent, high profile character in the series that is not playable. After Tropical Freeze, I think it would make even more sense. It would be hilarious, and I think he could be an interesting fighter.
 
Ugh, it seems like K. Rool has become the new Ridley in terms of how people are being really rude and insulting to one another over his inclusion (or lack thereof). That's unfortunate... I'd hoped we'd moved past this. SmashGAF gonna SmashGAF, I suppose.

I know one thing for sure, though: whether he's a good choice or not, I'm gonna be damn sick of hearing about K. Rool by the time all the DLC characters are revealed and released. Just like Ridley!
"K. Rool's too big.

Here's Krookodile instead."

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Ugh, it seems like K. Rool has become the new Ridley in terms of how people are being really rude and insulting to one another over his inclusion (or lack thereof). That's unfortunate... I'd hoped we'd moved past this. SmashGAF gonna SmashGAF, I suppose.

I know one thing for sure, though: whether he's a good choice or not, I'm gonna be damn sick of hearing about K. Rool by the time all the DLC characters are revealed and released. Just like Ridley!

This post gives me a great idea for a naughty fanfic.
 
This.

As I said before, makes lil sense to hope that cut content throws a large enuff net with DLC that it dominates. Other than IC ALL vets are in the same boat and can be "more easily redid".

They're gonna bring in Ryu which tells us a lot of things people don't like to think about. IMO it's gonna be a 2nd character from different series for the 2 other 3rd party companies (Namco, Sega. Expecting Tekken Character after what the big Namco guy had to say about Tekken and smash fans recently. For Sega I hope for Bayo ...). 3rd parties are always hype as hell reveals and will get Nintendo more boons than a vet.

With snake you get both though.
 
Long ago I used to joke about Cranky Kong being a surprise dark horse pick for the game given he is the only consistent, high profile character in the series that is not playable. After Tropical Freeze, I think it would make even more sense. It would be hilarious, and I think he could be an interesting fighter.


I've never given cranky serious consideration, but having a spike that bounces off the ground into another spiking bounce would be the funniest smash mechanic.

And smash iiiiiis currently missing an old man character, sakurai's dad notwithstanding
 
While they keep adding fighters why don't they toss in more music especially Donkey Kong and Metroid music. Toss in Super Sonic Racing for the hell of it.
 
My favorite part of these smash threads is everyone bickering about peoples character choices and why they won't happen or should happen because of reasons and such.
 
It's weird to me that Cranky Kong was just recently a playable character in a Donkey Kong game and he gets almost no support. I'm probably one of the few who would be cool with his inclusion.
Smash does lack the old man fighter cliche, just imagine those pogo spikes.
I'd be fine with his inclusion, I'd just sooner have one of the other two first and I think 5 reps would be stretching things for DK.

"K. Rool's too big.

Here's Krookodile instead."

Best Gen 5 rep, I'm open for this.
 
Smash does lack the old man fighter cliche, just imagine those pogo spikes.
I'd be fine with his inclusion, I'd just sooner have one of the other two first and I think 5 reps would be stretching things for DK.
To me it is missing the old man character trope and the morph character trope. Would be nice to see these styles added in DLC characters.
 
It's weird to me that Cranky Kong was just recently a playable character in a Donkey Kong game and he gets almost no support. I'm probably one of the few who would be cool with his inclusion.

I believe if we were going to add another Kong the greater population would hugely prefer Dixie, who has more moveset potential and is a female fighter. But otherwise people don't have anything specific against Cranky, who is a popular character. Just not the DK rep most people want to see.
 
OK

Mario:When Daisy and Waluigi star in games of their own, then they'll be on Captain Toad's level. Until then they're side characters from side games.

Zelda: Impa and Tingle are unnecessary fluff. Link, Zelda, and Ganon are really all we need. And Shiek fills the same role as Impa anyway.

DK: I'm not arguing this, DK representation is lacking and both Dixie and K Rool are pretty important in the franchise. I'd feel better about K Rool if he would appear in a new game though.

Metroid: I agree that Ridley would be a pretty good rep for Metroid especially as a villain but unfortunately he's too big (lol). Dark Samus I think works better as an assist trophy.

Fire Emblem: Every FE protag is equally valid (other than Marth, who is a step up) but you can only have so many characters from any series so I think FE is good right where it is getting 1 rep per game (clones excluded).

F-Zero: I'd love to see a new F Zero rep as soon as F Zero gets a new game.

Kirby: Adeleine appeared in like 2 games and Bandanna Dee is essentially a generic enemy. I don't think any other Kirby characters are important enough within the franchise to justify getting in.

Starfox: I'm all for Wolf as a villain rep. I'm not familiar with the SF games so I can't speak for Krystal.

Wario: Every potential Wario rep is pretty much on equal standing so I'd be cool with 1 more.

Kid Icarus: Got 1 new rep (and a clone) for 1 new game. When KI gets another new game, that'll warrant another new rep.


I believe if we were going to add another Kong the greater population would hugely prefer Dixie, who has more moveset potential and is a female fighter. But otherwise people don't have anything specific against Cranky, who is a popular character. Just not the DK rep most people want to see.

It's gonna be something not that exciting.

Dixie Kong
Roy
Mewtwo again it was just glitched files
Lucas
Pichu




Lmao what the hell is this? Everyone is a smash analyst, everyone seems to be forgetting that the Wii U has nothing to offer outside of a few titles and two big hits. The two being Smash and Mario Kart 8. DLC is going to reign supreme and will keep nintendo fans shopping till the NX comes out. I'm sure we will be getting smash DLC for a year or two.
 
Lmao what the hell is this? Everyone is a smash analyst, everyone seems to be forgetting that the Wii U has nothing to offer outside of a few titles and two big hits. The two being Smash and Mario Kart 8. DLC is going to reign supreme and will keep nintendo fans shopping till the NX comes out. I'm sure we will be getting smash DLC for a year or two.

I hope you see the irony in telling us what's going to happen with smash in the future after making fun of other people for being smash analysts :p

Or did you do your research? Do we get Bomberman in the first or second year?
 
Lmao what the hell is this? Everyone is a smash analyst, everyone seems to be forgetting that the Wii U has nothing to offer outside of a few titles and two big hits. The two being Smash and Mario Kart 8. DLC is going to reign supreme and will keep nintendo fans shopping till the NX comes out. I'm sure we will be getting smash DLC for a year or two.

Uh, but the expected 5-6 characters will take "a year or two."

I mean there will only be 2 DLC characters out 7 months after the launch of the game.
 
Dixie is a Diddy clone with a hover in her own games. inventing a moveset would be straight up deviating from the source material.

I guess they could put her in a mech for no reason like bowser jr lol
 
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