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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U DLC |OT| Mewtwo Strikes Back

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I must be the only one still playing the 3DS version.

I feel the competition has ramped up, because there are a large number of people who can now instantly perform a smash attack faster than I'd be able to do a side-tilt. Not that it's the end of the world, but I have no idea how they do it. It would be a huge advantage to be able to pull off.
 
Karsticles said:
I am irritated with you.
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Ok.

Necromanti said:
I must be the only one still playing the 3DS version.

I feel the competition has ramped up, because there are a large number of people who can now instantly perform a smash attack faster than I'd be able to do a side-tilt. Not that it's the end of the world, but I have no idea how they do it. It would be a huge advantage to be able to pull off.
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They are probably using the new 3DS.
 
Good games Karsticles. Yeah, I can't be bothered to test moves for too long if I don't get much out of them immediately. Kind of like you had to show me dash slash could be more than OK for me to switch. Nothing against slip bomb, but I think someone's going to have to use it against me effectively for me to pay it much attention. Its slip range is better than I thought though.

That shield break with the help of the Halberd's laser gave me a chuckle. And look, I even gave you a Jigglypuff freebie for the road! What a guy, huh?

Yeah Bowser may be a tough one for Mewtwo, among others... He kills Mewtwo so easily that you really can't make many mistakes. I noticed your combo game with him is improved.
 
Cronox said:
Yeah I'm not huge for testing...
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Slip Bomb is bad. If the slip couldn't be blocked, it would be good. It basically does the job dair already does. If it hit on the way up like Bowser Bomb, it could have potential. But you are giving up Bowser's best punish for...what?

Good games. I still need to figure out how to handle Bowser with Mewtwo. I think I had a 1/4 win rate or something. I am not pleased with that. The biggest issue is just that Mewtwo can't make mistakes, and Bowser ensures he can't make more than one before he dies. Most of Mewtwo's safe options are shut down by Fortress and Dash Slash combined.

I think he just has to land those early gimps after the Dtilt into fair combo. Letting the match go on is against his favor.
 
Karsticles said:
Slip Bomb is bad. If the slip couldn't be blocked, it would be good. It basically does the job dair already does. If it hit on the way up like Bowser Bomb, it could have potential. But you are giving up Bowser's best punish for...what?

Good games. I still need to figure out how to handle Bowser with Mewtwo. I think I had a 1/4 win rate or something. I am not pleased with that. The biggest issue is just that Mewtwo can't make mistakes, and Bowser ensures he can't make more than one before he dies. Most of Mewtwo's safe options are shut down by Fortress and Dash Slash combined.

I think he just has to land those early gimps after the Dtilt into fair combo. Letting the match go on is against his favor.
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Yeah, not to discourage Magiusnecros, but the best case scenario I can think of with slip bomb is to pair it with the default klaw. That way a trip could be followed up with klaw. Dash slash Bowser doesn't have a great punish off of split second reaction. But maybe I'm overrating Bowser's speed with the klaw there. If slip bomb didn't have so much endlag the slip effect would be much more favorable.

Yeah your Bowser has something like a 4/1 win/loss ratio against me so you still have some climbing to do with Mewtwo in that regard. I'd like to think I'd do better against your Bowser at the moment, but who knows. Every time we play Bowser dittos you've generally improved as much as I have so you still win.
 
Cronox said:
Yeah, not to discourage Magiusnecros, but the best case scenario I can think of with slip bomb is to pair it with the default klaw. That way a trip could be followed up with klaw. Dash slash Bowser doesn't have a great punish off of split second reaction. But maybe I'm overrating Bowser's speed with the klaw there. If slip bomb didn't have so much endlag the slip effect would be much more favorable.

Yeah your Bowser has something like a 4/1 win/loss ratio against me so you still have some climbing to do with Mewtwo in that regard. I'd like to think I'd do better against your Bowser at the moment, but who knows. Every time we play Bowser dittos you've generally improved as much as I have so you still win.
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I haven't even put a hundred matches into Bowser since Mewtwo came out, so you have likely surpassed me. Even in our last set, I never felt like there was a skill difference between us. You just have a tendency to be more aggressive than Bowser really can be. In tonight's set, you seemed much, much more patient, so you may have crossed that bridge as well.

I think Klaw is like...2 frames away from Bomb in startup. There is pretty much nothing one can do that the other cannot.

Is there anything you think my Mewtwo should be doing in the Bowser matchup? What gave you the most problems?
 
Karsticles said:
I haven't even put a hundred matches into Bowser since Mewtwo came out, so you have likely surpassed me. Even in our last set, I never felt like there was a skill difference between us. You just have a tendency to be more aggressive than Bowser really can be. In tonight's set, you seemed much, much more patient, so you may have crossed that bridge as well.

I think Klaw is like...2 frames away from Bomb in startup. There is pretty much nothing one can do that the other cannot.

Is there anything you think my Mewtwo should be doing in the Bowser matchup? What gave you the most problems?
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Yeah, I think it's something like 9 vs 11 frames. Though sometimes that makes the difference. Like you say, I generally play too aggressive, and dash slash feeds into these tendencies. I've been attempting to do some more pivot grabs too, but against a character with a spammable projectile I can't wait a couple character lengths away and force them to approach. Though we had some cute moments where I'd [attempt to] perfect shield until you got tired of spamming and approached. I think we were about 50:50 on the outcome of that approach though.

Obviously charging the shadow ball under a platform on Battlefield is basically challenging me to see if I can dash slash you before you can fire it. I've been burned enough times on that that I started just waiting. I'll say that there were some times when I think you really wanted to land (say, those Battlefield side platforms) even though I was intercepting you multiple times with DS/utilt/usmash. You could have probably avoided some damage by just teleporting out of there. I could feel your stubbornness a couple times. I have that too, but if I dair/bomb to the ground it's not the end of my stock, generally. And Bowser's dair needs to be given a little more respect. You got some good hits in letting go of the ledge to uair me through the stage, but occasionally got a very strong response...

I'm sorry I can't give more feedback. What did I have problems with... Well tonight walkoffs were in your favor I suppose. I had trouble landing hits offstage. I DI your uthrow as best as I can but there's no denying it at a certain percent. Like I said in an earlier post, you got some good early game strings on me. 3 fairs in a row and such, that was nice. I wonder if you shouldn't charge a dsmash as I recover on Battlefield. I hate to suggest it, but given the nature of its ledges that might hit before I snap to them. I say this as the guy who got kicked out of losers bracket in my last tournament by a Falco charging a dsmash as I recovered on Battlefield :(

Other than that, in the words of Isai, "don't get hit." At this point you know Mewtwo much better than me, so my advice on specific moves outside of generalities will likely be incorrect or redundant.

Edit: Ok, what about after a string of fairs, using side-b to turn around and switch momentum for one bair before recovering? Bah I'm just thinking about what might look cool, that's probably a bit risky.
 
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MaverickHunterAsh said:
Good news, everyone - we're up to 81 responses for the SmashGAF Character Census!

We're halfway through the response period now, with one more week to go. So if you haven't participated yet, now's as good a time as any!

Click here to find out what this census is all about and how it works, and click here to participate - it only takes a minute!

Alternatively, if you don't have or want a Google account (required to fill out the form), you can participate by sending me a PM that lists (in order) your Smash Wii U/3DS main, secondary, and tertiary character.

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Maybe you can create a thread for this so people who don't actively follow the OT can vote too.
 
Out_Of_Ammo said:
Maybe you can create a thread for this so people who don't actively follow the OT can vote too.
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I thought about it, but I don't know how the mods feel about the creation of threads for things like this... and I'm not looking to get banned over a just-for-fun census. I generally try to stay under the radar on GAF since it seems like you can get a surprise ban for lots of different, seemingly innocuous things.

Maybe it'll be all right, though...?
 
MaverickHunterAsh said:
I thought about it, but I don't know how the mods feel about the creation of threads for things like this... and I'm not looking to get banned over a just-for-fun census. I generally try to stay under the radar on GAF since it seems like you can get a surprise ban for lots of different, seemingly innocuous things.

Maybe it'll be all right, though...?
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I don't think you'd get banned for that, at worst they'd close the thread. You can always PM a mod to ask if it's OK, but I don't see why it wouldn't be.
 
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