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[Blackquill]

Great Games Karsticles, your Mewtwo is great. Also I didn't know that neutral air wasn't so fast, don't know how to avoid that

 

[Snacks the sober sea lion]

Sounds good. You make ?

Sorry, I don't think we can get anything good done with that input lag. Need to check to see if anything is wrong.

 

[Karsticles]

I swear, if they take away yoshis jump armor. I would stop saying how good he is......to many bullshit moments for me just because of that armor.

Lol, he needs the armor. I think Yoshi needs to be toned down a bit, but that would destroy him.

The only thing Yoshi needs is a little less priority on his Fair, and his down B should have way more recovery to bring it in line with Bowser's. All of the top tier characters just need a small change or two. None of them need an entire mechanic removed from them. Most of the low tiers just need a buff or two, as well. Bowser would be competitively viable if Klaw and Fortress got their Brawl mechanics returned to them.

Great Games Karsticles, your Mewtwo is great. Also I didn't know that neutral air wasn't so fast, don't know how to avoid that

It is actually pretty slow. 7 frame startup + 4 pre-jump frames means it can't come out sooner than frame 11. It just seems fast because it hits everywhere constantly. It needs a reduction in frames, honestly.

I am not sure if Ike can punish it from behind. You can try turning around and grabbing if I am close, or shield grabbing from the front. It isn't safe if I short hop it and I land in front of you. If I land behind, it depends on the character I am facing. Some punish it for free, others can't do anything (Ganondorf, maybe Ike and Dedede?). Bigger bodies tend to have more problems because I can land farther away and still be landing hits that need to be shielded.

Good games, though! A little feedback:
1) You never fast fall, and ffall Nair is Ike's best move.

2) Lots of rolls.

3) Many situations I am shielding and you are just chilling there. Go for the hits I give you.

4) More jabs!

5) Jumping into air dodge can be punished, as you saw. Don't be afraid to approach slowly on the ground against Mewtwo. Mewtwo would rather you be in the air than on the ground.

6) Down throw leads to combos for Ike until the mid %s. Get those down!

 

[zlatko]

Sorry, I don't think we can get anything good done with that input lag. Need to check to see if anything is wrong.

Sounds good.

I'm still waiting my ethernet cable adapter just to make sure I get the most of my connection on mine.

Most of my games 90% don't have lag. Not sure if it's on my end. Bah.

Villager is weird.

 

[Karsticles]

Sounds good.

I'm still waiting my ethernet cable adapter just to make sure I get the most of my connection on mine.

Most of my games 90% don't have lag. Not sure if it's on my end. Bah.

Villager is weird.

Want to try playing?

 

[Azure J]

Lol, he needs the armor. I think Yoshi needs to be toned down a bit, but that would destroy him.

The only thing Yoshi needs is a little less priority on his Fair, and his down B should have way more recovery to bring it in line with Bowser's. All of the top tier characters just need a small change or two. None of them need an entire mechanic removed from them. Most of the low tiers just need a buff or two, as well. Bowser would be competitively viable if Klaw and Fortress got their Brawl mechanics returned to them.

Curious to hear how you'd change Marth personally.

 

[Dimitri LH]

Guess its just my SALT talking, that Fair does need some tweaking though.

 

[Boney]

Yeah some few easily identifiable changes for most of the cast would easily put them closer to the other top tiers in 1v1 environment. No idea how that'd work out in FFA but I assume it's stay practically the same.

What were Bowser klaw and fortress in brawl like?

 

[NamikazeBurst]

I swear, if they take away yoshis jump armor. I would stop saying how good he is......to many bullshit moments for me just because of that armor.

That would take him from top tier to low tier because of how easily he would be killed off-stage. It isn't going to happen.

 

[Puruzi]

I've been doing pretty well with marth lately. Only thing i'd personally change is making his aerials have less endlag.

 

[zlatko]

Want to try playing?

Sure! NNID zoutlaw

Send a friend request. I have to jump in the shower fast. 5 mins tops.

 

[Karsticles]

Curious to hear how you'd change Marth personally.

I think Marth doesn't need a lot. He is more a case of having trouble with the current top tiers than being bad himself. I would remove all of his aerial landing lag for more flexibility in his spacing game, give him some kind of guaranteed combo out of a throw if he makes the right read (most characters should have this), and maybe increase the pushback on his aerials on shield. In exchange, I would nerf counter a bit so he is more solid and less gimmicky.

Yeah some few easily identifiable changes for most of the cast would easily put them closer to the other top tiers in 1v1 environment. No idea how that'd work out in FFA but I assume it's stay practically the same.

What were Bowser klaw and fortress in brawl like?

Klaw was grab immune and maybe had armor (I forget). Fortress had startup invincibility, so you can Fortress while Sonic is Spindashing inside of you and win. I would also give Bowser Bomb armor and fix ledge snapping for him. Other than that, Bowser is great.

 

[Boney]

I've been doing pretty well with marth lately. Only thing i'd personally change is making his aerials have less endlag.

Reduce end lag on up air, back air and down air. Fair and nair are fine honestly, fair has a lot but can hit standing opponents out of short and full hop and has an amazing arc, plus you can get any special before landing.

I'd give him some easier grab follow ups as well.

 

[Puruzi]

Reduce end lag on up air, back air and down air. Fair and nair are fine honestly, fair has a lot but can hit standing opponents out of short and full hop and has an amazing arc, plus you can get any special before landing.

I'd give him some easier grab follow ups as well.

I want endlag on Fair to be reduced too because you can't do 2 out of a shorthop anymore

 

[Karsticles]

Sure! NNID zoutlaw

Send a friend request. I have to jump in the shower fast. 5 mins tops.

Added. Room is up.

 

[Blackquill]

It is actually pretty slow. 7 frame startup + 4 pre-jump frames means it can't come out sooner than frame 11. It just seems fast because it hits everywhere constantly. It needs a reduction in frames, honestly.

I am not sure if Ike can punish it from behind. You can try turning around and grabbing if I am close, or shield grabbing from the front. It isn't safe if I short hop it and I land in front of you. If I land behind, it depends on the character I am facing. Some punish it for free, others can't do anything (Ganondorf, maybe Ike and Dedede?). Bigger bodies tend to have more problems because I can land farther away and still be landing hits that need to be shielded.

Good games, though! A little feedback:
1) You never fast fall, and ffall Nair is Ike's best move.

2) Lots of rolls.

3) Many situations I am shielding and you are just chilling there. Go for the hits I give you.

4) More jabs!

5) Jumping into air dodge can be punished, as you saw. Don't be afraid to approach slowly on the ground against Mewtwo. Mewtwo would rather you be in the air than on the ground.

6) Down throw leads to combos for Ike until the mid %s. Get those down!

I know that I should fastfall but I have some trouble using it correctly, I have the same problem with shorthops and using smashs instead of tilts. Anyway I'll keep in mind these tips, thanks !

 

[Azure J]

I think Marth doesn't need a lot. He is more a case of having trouble with the current top tiers than being bad himself. I would remove all of his aerial landing lag for more flexibility in his spacing game, give him some kind of guaranteed combo out of a throw if he makes the right read (most characters should have this), and maybe increase the pushback on his aerials on shield. In exchange, I would nerf counter a bit so he is more solid and less gimmicky.

Wow, I like this a lot. At the same time, it kinda sounds like Brawl Marth minus the stupidly hilarious tippers he had in that game.

 

[SoldnerKei]

Karst I am available to do our ranbat, whenever you're ready

 

[Karsticles]

Karst I am available to do our ranbat, whenever you're ready

Just started playing zlatko, so give me a bit.

 

[SoldnerKei]

Just started playing zlatko, so give me a bit.

sure no problem, I'll be lurking so just post whenever you're ready :'D

 

[Boney]

sure no problem, I'll be lurking so just post whenever you're ready :'D

Wanna play in the meantime?

 

[SoldnerKei]

Wanna play in the meantime?

sure, you host pls :'D

 

[Boney]

sure, you host pls :'D

Alright, turning it on

 

[SolarKnight]

Boney and Kei, you guys think we can do our 2v2 thing tonight? Same question for Tipster if he's around

 

[Karsticles]

That Lucario kill has me rolling, haha.

 

[zlatko]

That Lucario kill has me rolling, haha.

I busted out laughing too.

"100% planned that..."

 

[SoldnerKei]

Boney and Kei, you guys think we can do our 2v2 thing tonight? Same question for Tipster if he's around

I think so, I think the earliest I can be around is like 9~10pm PT, I won't be available all the evening

 

[Boney]

Boney and Kei, you guys think we can do our 2v2 thing tonight? Same question for Tipster if he's around

I might head out tonight, but I got the evening free or tomorrow

 

[SoldnerKei]

lol, welp Zelda u still drunk haha

 

[Snacks the sober sea lion]

No Marth buffs without Falco buffs.

Anyone around to play?

 

[SoldnerKei]

Sheik is pretty good, as far as I don't make her commit sudoku

 

[Boney]

Sheik is pretty good, as far as I don't make her commit sudoku

Well yeah. Duh hahah

 

[SoldnerKei]

Well yeah. Duh hahah

I was thinking, I am doing pretty good, I should pick up Sheik because u know, I am a Zelda fanboy... then I lose my second jump :v

and I should have tech'd that hurhur

 

[Neki]

No Marth buffs without Falco buffs.

Anyone around to play?

You still here? I can play a couple of games.

 

[Boney]

I was thinking, I am doing pretty good, I should pick up Sheik because u know, I am a Zelda fanboy... then I lose my second jump :v

and I should have tech'd that hurhur

Well it's super laggy unfortunately

Ayyy

 

[Snacks the sober sea lion]

You still here? I can play a couple of games.

Did we add yet? My ID is Snackss

 

[Neki]

Did we add yet? My ID is Snackss

Yeah you can host.

 

[SoldnerKei]

Well it's super laggy unfortunately

yeah, it got laagy and since my sister woke up I guess ti's her fault :v

let's play a couple of games, unfortunately, I have to leave in 15 min -_-
I am sorry Karst, let's see if we can finally play tonight

 

[direct_quote]

No Marth buffs without Falco buffs.

Anyone around to play?

And no Marth buffs without Lucina buffs, etc, etc. If they buff Mewtwo's throw they should buff Robin's. At least Mewtwo can dash grab decently, but Robin dash grab? Lol...

 

[SoldnerKei]

Charizard farting from his mouth got me real good lol, first time seeing that custom xD

 

[Karsticles]

And no Marth buffs without Lucina buffs, etc, etc. If they buff Mewtwo's throw they should buff Robin's. At least Mewtwo can dash grab decently, but Robin dash grab? Lol...

Eh. Robin is a different situation. Buffing her dash or grab means guaranteed confirms off of her spells now. Huge buff that needs to be sat on

 

[SoldnerKei]

well, excuse me Pokezard!

I had to try P:

last one boney

 

[Boney]

well, excuse me Pokezard!

I had to try P:

last one boney

Alright!

 

[Karsticles]

Maybe we should do a community Smash balance patch like we did for Marvel:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/...Nl0tGxnoa2wS-rqqI4BOGf8/edit?usp=docslist_api

Yes, that is about a hundred pages long. :-D

 

[direct_quote]

Eh. Robin is a different situation. Buffing her dash or grab means guaranteed confirms off of her spells now. Huge buff that needs to be sat on

But Ness gets this? Would only seem fair. It's like they put all this work in balancing Robin while other characters got off the hook.

 

[SoldnerKei]

Good games Boney! it was fun to chill out and play against a bunch of characters, I'll get that fart-mouthing charizard next time! (realized I could block his farts by just walking with Link at the end of the second match lol) nevertheless good games and sorry for the sudden lag!

Maybe we should do a community Smash balance patch like we did for Marvel

I am sorry Karst, but I gotta go and I'll be busy til night, hopefully you're around by that hour :'D

 

[Karsticles]

But Ness gets this? Would only seem fair. It's like they put all this work in balancing Robin while other characters got off the hook.

Ness gets it on hit, and he doesn't get a fire pillar if it is blocked. Robin gets a pillar no matter what, and she gets a free mixup off of it. Totally different moves and situations outside of the graphic.

Look up Trela's Robin and tell me that is the problem.

Good games Boney! it was fun to chill out and play against a bunch of characters, I'll get that fart-mouthing charizard next time! (realized I could block his farts by just walking with Link at the end of the second match lol) nevertheless good games and sorry for the sudden lag!



I am sorry Karst, but I gotta go and I'll be busy til night, hopefully you're around by that hour :'D

I am here all day, no worries man.

 

[Clefargle]

I was thinking, I am doing pretty good, I should pick up Sheik because u know, I am a Zelda fanboy... then I lose my second jump :v

and I should have tech'd that hurhur

Sheik is easily my main. She is just too damn fun and full throttle to put down. Other chars feel like molasses.

 

[zlatko]

I think I'm done for the day.

That last match made me salty. I don't get at 154% why NONE OF MY SHIT WILL FUCKING END YOU. UGH!

 

[Karsticles]

Anyone want to play?

Playing Robin for the first time now, and her grab is noticeably better than Mewtwo's.

GGs Zlatko. I tried to pick who you were picking so I could show you stuff. Practice running off the ledge and recovering a lot. See how low you can go.

I think I'm done for the day.

That last match made me salty. I don't get at 154% why NONE OF MY SHIT WILL FUCKING END YOU. UGH!

It's Sonic. He deals damage easily and is the safest character in the game, but struggles to KO. Part of his balance, and he is still considered one of the best in the game.