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[Just_myles]

something something superman picking up Thor's hammer

That was a technicality form what I can remember. Something about Odin allowing it or removing the Hammer's clause. Now Captain America/Wonder Woman picking up the Hammer was awesome.

Also Vision using his Solar vision to power Superman up while he was holding Thor's Hammer was more awesome.

Caps shield always gets boosted depending on the writer. I prefer it to be just Vibranium as that makes the most sense to be honest. I remember the original Marvel 1st series trading cards having it being comprised of so many elements, that the weight it had it as (200ish pounds) seemed unlikely imo.

 

[HeySeuss]

The title misspelling of shield pisses me off for reasons I'm not aware of.

 

[MisterHero]

Comics would be so legit if they had any semblance of restraint and weren't fucking stupid. Greatest feat of modern comic cinema is pulling that off reasonably well.

Crisis was just meant to clean up continuity from times where multiple timelines weren't even thought of to begin with.

Multiverse/alternate timelines can be really cool if it's not used by a certain writer/s *cough* to rewrite characters they don't like or bring back their old favorites who died heroically in the first place.

I like the idea of the Legion of Superheroes sometimes having to battle using time-travel. Whenever they use it, they face the possibility that they could erase themselves from existence.

Relating back to this thread, The Avengers movie does pretty well despite ignoring the huge power gaps between characters. Thor probably should have broken Cap's shield (it made a shockwave but Cap's bones escape unscathed?) and turned Tony Stark's head into a titanium-gold-brain alloy.

There's always going to be nonsense when it comes to comics.

 

[jaxword]

Relating back to this thread, The Avengers movie does pretty well despite ignoring the huge power gaps between characters. Thor probably should have broken Cap's shield (it made a shockwave but Cap's bones escape unscathed?) and turned Tony Stark's head into a titanium-gold-brain alloy.

There's always going to be nonsense when it comes to comics.

The movies depower everyone to relatively close levels. It's the only way to make a cohesive story work with so many characters.

 

[Prototype Viktor]

Has the shield ever been broken?

I'm not a comic book guy, I wouldn't know.

to my limited knowledge Marvel or DC hasn't let anything be truly indestructible

 

[MisterHero]

The movies depower everyone to relatively close levels. It's the only way to make a cohesive story work with so many characters.

I don't know. It's one thing to downplay the human characters or weapons made by human characters. Downplaying a thunder god doesn't sound right though.

And we're just in the beginning. Imagine what they'll have to do just to stand next to Thanos. That "nerfing" isn't going to last and nor should it.

 

[Moppeh]

At which point it got me thinking about Batman with a Green Lantern ring. What's the deal with that?

My first thought:

 

[jaxword]

I don't know. It's one thing to downplay the human characters or weapons made by human characters. Downplaying a thunder god doesn't sound right though.

Why not? Thor was depowered in his movie, that was part of the plot. So a God's powers aren't as untouchable and unchangeable as it seems.

You could even go into some mythological interpretation and say that Gods require human belief and prayers to be empowered, and since Thor and the thunder gods are way less important lately in the face of God/Allah/etc, they're far less powerful than they were 2000 years ago.

 

[BadAss2961]

My first thought:

I love it when Batman talks about what a fucking idiot Hal is because of how unstoppable he'd be with the ring.

 

[MisterHero]

Why not? Thor was depowered in his movie, that was part of the plot. So a God's powers aren't as untouchable and unchangeable as it seems.

You could even go into some mythological interpretation and say that Gods require human belief and prayers to be empowered, and since Thor and the thunder gods are way less important lately in the face of God/Allah/etc, they're far less powerful than they were 2000 years ago.

Doh. Absolutely right. What I meant to say is that you can't make a person who commands lightning not fry a person when he throws lightning at them in an extended blast.

Who knows though. Stark is a supergenius, he probably made his armor absorb or redirect lightning like airplanes.

 

[b&jy77VjiKn$#F]

This is bullshit. What is the point of a versus if they ended up as friends? I want battle. I want hatred. I want heroes to not fight criminals, but fight themselves instead. Imagine what will happen if one day Superman and Batman start working together. Ugh. Just thinking about it and I already puked internally.

 

[jaxword]

Doh. Absolutely right. What I meant to say is that you can't make a person who commands lightning not fry a person when he throws lightning at them in an extended blast.

Who knows though. Stark is a supergenius, he probably made his armor absorb or redirect lightning like airplanes.

Yeah, and Cap has the entire US's military budget and scientific minds working to keep him alive, so they probably worked out a way to avoid lightning death.

 

[MisterHero]

Yeah, and Cap has the entire US's military budget and scientific minds working to keep him alive, so they probably worked out a way to avoid lightning death.

Well it worked for freezing death.

 

[ReiGun]

Isn't there a panel where a ring chose Batman and he willed it to "get the fuck off"? I thought I saw that.

He did. Recently, he put one willing to use in a fight against Power Ring, but couldn't use its full power because he wouldn't give himself totally over to fear and let the ring take the amount of control it needs to be at full power.

 

[Data West]

Even if he couldn't break it, Superman would just rip it from Cap's grip and toss it. Or beat him with it.

 

[Finaika]

The shield doesn't just bounce off of things, cap occasionally uses it to flat out slice lesser materials in half i.e. wolverine's claws.

Did this actually happened?

Cap slices off Wolverine's claws in half?

 

[Jorok Goldblade]

I'm more impressed on how he could lift Thor's hammer

Thor's hammer can be lifted and wielded by anyone it deems worthy. It's a very short list, but Captain America, Superman and Wonder Woman are on that list.


Typically, you have to either be a blood relative of Thor or have maxed out Paragon to lift Mjolnir.

 

[mrklaw]

If it is so difficult to break, how did they make it in the first place? Or is it like George's marvellous medicine?

 

[jaxword]

If it is so difficult to break, how did they make it in the first place? Or is it like George's marvellous medicine?

Metals are malleable and soft when they are warmed up, and solidify when cool.

 

[Sheroking]

Batman could never use a GL ring. he's too cynical and too bossy to use one.

And what was Sinestro?

Didn't Hal Jordan get his ring only because he was closer in proximity to Abin Sur than Bruce Wayne? Pretty sure it's been well laid out that he meets the criteria for a Lantern.

 

[PsychBat!]

And what was Sinestro?

Didn't Hal Jordan get his ring only because he was closer in proximity to Abin Sur than Bruce Wayne? Pretty sure it's been well laid out that he meets the criteria for a Lantern.

Hal was closer to Abin Sur than Guy Gardner. Bruce was not a factor there.

 

[Hypron]

Metals are malleable and soft when they are warmed up, and solidify when cool.

Yeah but there has to be something more to the shield. Otherwise lots of guys could just melt it using their powers.

 

[Sheroking]

Hal was closer to Abin Sur than Guy Gardner. Bruce was not a factor there.

It must have been a elseworld storyline or something, but I'm pretty sure one book tried to claim that both Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent were candidates.

 

[jaxword]

Yeah but there has to be something more to the shield. Otherwise lots of guys could just melt it using their powers.

Alloys are far more powerful than the component metals on their own. That's pretty basic science.

In the end it uses magic comicbook metal Vibranium, but the methodology involved isn't made up.

 

[Jarmel]

Cap's not really peak human anymore. He has way too many metahuman feats. Bruce Wayne is peak human.

Isn't he like protohuman in that he's the peak of what humans should be or some other nonsense? Therefore he's far surpassed peak human status..

 

[Prototype]

I'm more impressed on how he could lift Thor's hammer

Exactly what I was thinking. Damn. So Supes > Hulk? (at least in avengers movie)

Thor's hammer can be lifted and wielded by anyone it deems worthy. It's a very short list, but Captain America, Superman and Wonder Woman are on that list.
Typically, you have to either be a blood relative of Thor or have maxed out Paragon to lift Mjolnir.

I just woke my gf up. LMFAO.

 

[crimsonheadGCN]

Is there no restriction to who could lift Mjolnir in the Ultimate Universe? Because I just I read on the wiki that Ultimate Magneto was able to lift it up.

 

[Slayven]

being weak against wood is a price I'd be willing to pay for the starheart.

I wish they would stop fucking with it.

The shield is strong. It's not indestructible. Superman could easily destroy it.

how so?

Is there no restriction to who could lift Mjolnir in the Ultimate Universe? Because I just I read on the wiki that Ultimate Magneto was able to lift it up.

probably not, Ultimate was shit about keeping things straight.

 

[nephilimdj]

Can someone explain how people make captain America superman level, yet omega red drank same crap can be beaten by jubilee?

 

[Slayven]

Can someone explain how people make captain America superman level, yet omega red drank same crap can be beaten by jubilee?

what?

 

[DonasaurusRex]

I said it above but I reasoned that the shockwave was due to the shield having an upper limit to the amount it could absorb, beyond that it had to dissipate the force outwards. For instance despite the massive force from Thor's hammer Captain America didn't move an inch so the properties of the shield were still intact.


You keep on saying that but what could Stark honestly do? It's a simple shield with no gadgetry that was made from a incredibly rare material. Outside of some magical enchantments it may as well be the same.

They also both share the same eyebrow raising ability to absorb kinetic energy but yet still bounce off walls. Which doesn't make all that much sense when you think about it (even if the outer edge was made of a different metal, the vibranium layer next to it would absorb the energy).

...its an alloy not just pure vibranium , thats T'challa's gear that is pure vibranium. No one knows the 3rd element of the shield like the plans for the machine that made cap, the damn hydra agents/nazi killed the people memorizing the formula. We were going to have whole squads of Capt Americas originally.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

what?

yeah i need that comic... last i saw omega he got worked by Wolverine, before that he got back handed and knocked out cold by Iron Man's pimp hand.

 

[stn]

Regarding Captain America, you guys reminded me of something. Way back when there was a Marvel Vs. DC line of comics and cards, I used to collect the cards. Anyway, one of the matchups was Batman v. Captain America. Know how Batman won? Their fight ended up in a flooded sewer, Batman won because Captain America couldn't swim.

 

[SJRB]

Superman would just snag the shield and throw it into the Sun, then proceed to beat the shit out of Captain Murica.

 

[entremet]

Can someone explain how people make captain America superman level, yet omega red drank same crap can be beaten by jubilee?

Cap is far from Superman level.

 

[jaxword]

Is there no restriction to who could lift Mjolnir in the Ultimate Universe? Because I just I read on the wiki that Ultimate Magneto was able to lift it up.

Almost none of 616's "rules" apply to Ultimateverse, which changes every year.

Thor in Ultimate is both an insane hippy armed with man-made weapons AND the last thunder god on earth.

 

[Slayven]

Superman would just snag the shield and throw it into the Sun, then proceed to beat the shit out of Captain Murica.

But America can take down Superman

 

[Wag]

But America can take down Superman

Uncle Sam with a ring? Never saw that one...

 

[The Adder]

Uncle Sam with a ring? Never saw that one...

It's from the Batman/Superman arc where the evil versions of the big 3 legionnaires went back in time and raised Bruce and Clark.

 

[Chopper]

You're in luck.

Holy nostalgia bomb. I own this somewhere!

 

[BGBW]

If you vandalised Captain Amerca's shield would he lose the power of America?

 

[Slayven]

Out of Iron Man's Armor, Thor's hammer, Silver Surfer's Board, and The Shield, Molecule Man said the shield had the weirdest makeup of them all.

 

[Finaika]

Superman would just snag the shield and throw it into the Sun, then proceed to beat the shit out of Captain Murica.

Is the shield strong enough to survive being thrown into the sun?

 

[Aylinato]

Couldn't supes just heat /freeze it to break it

 

[Slayven]

Is the shield strong enough to survive being thrown into the sun?

Yes.

Couldn't supes just heat /freeze it to break it

nope

 

[DonasaurusRex]

Regarding Captain America, you guys reminded me of something. Way back when there was a Marvel Vs. DC line of comics and cards, I used to collect the cards. Anyway, one of the matchups was Batman v. Captain America. Know how Batman won? Their fight ended up in a flooded sewer, Batman won because Captain America couldn't swim.

if i remember correctly batman hit cap in the head with a batarang while he got swept away by a random gush of sewer water and raised his hands "I WIN" .

 

[Kinyou]

This is bullshit. What is the point of a versus if they ended up as friends? I want battle. I want hatred. I want heroes to not fight criminals, but fight themselves instead. Imagine what will happen if one day Superman and Batman start working together. Ugh. Just thinking about it and I already puked internally.

This is a battle not fought on a battlefield. Look closely at Superman's smug smile. He totally banged Goku's wife.

 

[Slayven]

This is a battle not fought on a battlefield. Look closely at Superman's smug smile. He totally banged Goku's wife.

Oh Superman will bang wives.

 

[foxuzamaki]

superman is just some random alien. i dont know why he has to be better than gods all of a sudden. is he even "Special" by Kryptonian standards or is he just a normal Kryptonian

I think superman is said to be considered superhuman even on his own planet, he was kinda born already a evolved form of his own species.

 

[SenorArdilla]

Oh Superman will bang wives.

That wasn't on purpose though. Sleez hypnotized Big Barda and Superman so that he could make a superhero porno.