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Support for marijuana legalization hits all-time high

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chri5t said:
Marijuana is something most people grow out of once they hit 25.

Heh I wish you were right. The amount of people who just brag about being high and always talking about it is insane and I cannot believe they're all under 25.
 
The combination of shisha and ammo regen beacon is completely broken. People just camp and spam that shit all day. They don't even have to reload.
 
chri5t said:
Marijuana is something most people grow out of once they hit 25.

Tell that to cancer and leukemia patients. Over in Aus it's illegal and not even allowed for medicinal use. I don't want drunk or stoned people on the road.... People in general are morons and so irresponsible even though they are adults and thus banning is sometimes the only remedy. Although, hmmm it's a tough one.


That said a new nasal or mouth spray is currently under trial which is a derivative of the Sativa species and is titled something like Sativera iirc.

anyhow....
 
Tesseract said:
why can't i find the objective?

You ARE the objective. Now would you kindly remain blissfully unaware to this fact?

edit: Also, I'm in agreement with the earlier post. Weed was this great thing I did back when I was a bit younger, then I just...grew out of it.
 
Derrick01 said:
Heh I wish you were right. The amount of people who just brag about being high and always talking about it is insane and I cannot believe they're all under 25.

Yeah, most of the ones I know who do this stupid shit at this point are 25+, not much older, but still. Worst cases, they have no damn situational awareness.
 
Draft said:
As soon as weed is legal, I am going to get high as fuck and play some videogames.
Are you not afraid on losing all them precious brain cells and going completely brain-dead? Do you want your brain to be like scrambled eggs? Lung cancer? AIDS? Have you no fear, good sir?
 
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That graph is going all the way to the Supreme Court! I've given up on the Federal Govt deciding that marijuana is no longer an illegal substance with no medical properties. I remember thinking things were going to change 10 years ago. Nothing has changed, and I'm going to stop believing that it will.

Draft said:
As soon as weed is legal, I am going to get high as fuck and play some videogames.

You fucking criminal scum. You should be locked up with rapists.
 
Shalashaska161 said:
Raising 10% in 4 years is pretty surprising. Wonder what caused such a huge jump?
Old people dying.

It's a generational thing, consider the support broken by age group (from the article) -
18-29 62%
30-49 56%
50:64 49%
65+ 31%

Which also shows you quite clearly why legalization in inevitable.
 
Chichikov said:
Old people dying.

It's a generational thing, consider the support broken by age group (from the article) -
18-29 62%
30-49 56%
50:64 49%
65+ 31%

Which also shows you quite clearly why legalization in inevitable.
But how much do those figures decrease/increase/stay the same as time goes on? Will today's 18-29 years olds of today still equal 62% when they're tomorrow's 30-49?
 
Chichikov said:
Old people dying.

It's a generational thing, consider the support broken by age group (from the article) -
18-29 62%
30-49 56%
50:64 49%
65+ 31%

Which also shows you quite clearly why legalization in inevitable.
The exact same effect guarantees gay marriage eventually.
 
ProfessorLobo said:
Since it's over 50% and this is a democracy that means it'll be legalized immediately right?
Well according to the above statistics, 18-29 year olds are the most in favor or marijuana legalization. Aren't they also the age group with the worst turnout for polls? (Complete conjecture, I don't really know -- just assuming.)
 
I think I'm lost in this thread. I dunno why.
 
Kenak said:
But how much do those figures decrease/increase/stay the same as time goes on? Will today's 18-29 years olds of today still equal 62% when they're tomorrow's 30-49?
That's a good question, I don't know the answer.
But looking at historical data, and seeing that support has been growing in all age group, I'd say that the data is consistent with the notion that people don't change their mind about the issue later in life (though I would admit, it was hard to find perfect data on the issue).


speculawyer said:
The exact same effect guarantees gay marriage eventually.
Indeed.
The arc of the moral universe is long but it bends toward stoned butt-sex.
 
Cooter said:
Sadly this means jack shit.
You be crazy.
50% may be not enough (especially when you consider likely voters), but soon, it will be a liability to support decriminalization of pot, and when that tipping point is reached, it will change, and it will change swiftly.
 
Chichikov said:
You be crazy.
50% may be not enough (especially when you consider likely voters), but soon, it will be a liability to support decriminalization of pot, and when that tipping point is reached, it will change, and it will change swiftly.

Yeah? How soon do you predict because I think we have another 20 years atleast.
 
Cooter said:
Yeah? How soon do you predict because I think we have another 20 years atleast.
I'd say by the end of the decade.
Though if a state legalize pot and it goes wrong for some reason, it can set the whole thing a decade or two easily.
 
Juan29.zapata said:
I think I'm lost in this thread. I dunno why.
Stoners arguing the value of weed for medicinal purposes but they themselves will never use it for those purposes.

How much were people using opium before it got banned?
 
Cooter said:
Yeah? How soon do you predict because I think we have another 20 years atleast.
I do not know and I'm not sure if anyone can say. What I do know is that when it is eventually legalized, it will be a poster child for propaganda turning public opinion against a (mostly) harmless substance.

Chichikov said:
I'd say by the end of the decade.
Though if a state legalize pot and it goes wrong for some reason, it can set the whole thing a decade or two easily.
If a progressive move for marijuana legalization goes very badly, I think it could set things back far more than a couple decades.
EDIT: Kinda missed the part where you said 'easy'. Whatever, more emphasis!
 
Chichikov said:
I'd say by the end of the decade.
Though if a state legalize pot and it goes wrong for some reason, it can set the whole thing a decade or two easily.

I like your optimism but I seriously doubt it.
 
Deadbeat said:
Stoners arguing the value of weed for medicinal purposes but they themselves will never use it for those purposes.

How much were people using opium before it got banned?
You're the only person talking about medicinal anything in this thread (unless you count the aussie who complain that they don't even have medicinal pot in their country, probably the dingo ate it).
Quit shadowboxing.
 
Cooter said:
Yeah? How soon do you predict because I think we have another 20 years atleast.

Not the whole country, but it will spread among liberal states in the near future, especially after the first one flips. The more conservative states will probably take a lot longer, though.
 
Deadbeat said:
Stoners arguing the value of weed for medicinal purposes but they themselves will never use it for those purposes.

How much were people using opium before it got banned?

Huh? That's whats happening in this thread? Coulda fooled me. Weed is safer than cigarettes and alcohol and will save us and make us a ton of money if we legalize it. It just makes fucking sense to do it
 
Kenak said:
But how much do those figures decrease/increase/stay the same as time goes on?

Much like their positions on gay marriage, people form their opinion on marijuana legalization at a young age and basically never change it. With both issues there's a steady upward trend towards approval overall while each individual cohort stays almost perfectly steady as they get older.

Cooter said:
Sadly this means jack shit.

It already means quite a bit. Decriminalization and medicinal laws keep getting passed all over the country. It's going to take a very high overall percentage of approval (70+%) to actually achieve full legalization because of a host of demographic issues, but the smaller effects are already showing up.
 
Gonaria said:
Huh? That's whats happening in this thread? Coulda fooled me. Weed is safer than cigarettes and alcohol and will save us and make us a ton of money if we legalize it. It just makes fucking sense to do it
I never questioned the safety of weed.
 
charlequin said:
Much like their positions on gay marriage, people form their opinion on marijuana legalization at a young age and basically never change it. With both issues there's a steady upward trend towards approval overall while each individual cohort stays almost perfectly steady as they get older.
I see where you're coming from and I definitely agree to an extent, but I am still skeptical (though I agree 100% in terms of gay marriage). The teenage - low/mid twenty years are pretty heavy on marijuana culture. It's a lot more open and encouraged at this age. As people get older, leave college, and start to focus more on career and family, marijuana plays a much less prominent role in their lives. Wouldn't that alone cause some to alter their views on it? From being something they enjoy to something less career/family minded individuals partake in?
 
The reason why this is happening is because of the internet. Plain and simple. I have a lot of hope for our generation because bullshit aint flying when you are seconds away from fact checking with google on your mobile phone.
 
charlequin said:
It's going to take a very high overall percentage of approval (70+%) to actually achieve full legalization because of a host of demographic issues, but the smaller effects are already showing up.
I disagree.
The political map align perfectly for that -
Conservatives hate regulations and the government, liberals loves their ganja.
Plus it will save money, everyone likes that.

Sure there are reactionary forces fighting against it, namely the DEA and the prison lobby, but even local law enforcement is slowly moving toward supporting legalization.

Not to mention that with single issue politics you don't even need a majority to affect major change, they just need more people than the gap between the two parties.
 
Kenak said:
I see where you're coming from and I definitely agree to an extent, but I am still skeptical (though I agree 100% in terms of gay marriage). The teenage - low/mid twenty years are pretty heavy on marijuana culture. It's a lot more open and encouraged at this age. As people get older, leave college, and start to focus more on career and family, marijuana plays a much less prominent role in their lives. Wouldn't that alone cause some to alter their views on it? From being something they enjoy to something less career/family minded individuals partake in?

I doubt it since I think most people's reasons for legalizing weed go beyond is weed good/bad. The biggest reason why I want to legalize it is to save money on police, prison, and legal fees; reduce drug crime and severely wound the drug cartels; and increase govt tax revenue through weed taxes and an increase of jobs and profits.

I don't think you'll change your opinion about that as you get older. Will you change your opinion about whether smoking weed is a good idea? Sure, but that isnt the end all be all of the legalize weed debate
 
Gonaria said:
I doubt it since I think most people's reasons for legalizing weed go beyond is weed good/bad. The biggest reason why I want to legalize it is to save money on police, prison, and legal fees; reduce drug crime and severely wound the drug cartels; and increase govt tax revenue through weed taxes and an increase of jobs and profits.

I don't think you'll change your opinion about that as you get older. Will you change your opinion about whether smoking weed is a good idea? Sure, but that isnt the end all be all of the legalize weed debate
Very good point. But how many people are really educated on the pros/cons of marijuana? Would you say the majority just smoke it, like it, and thus believe it should be legal?
 
Mr.Swag said:
I see MJ being legal by the end of 2015.

Someone is high right now.

AbsoluteZero said:
Are we done with stupid gaming jokes?

Right.

The problem we have here is how much the voting public crosses over with the marijuana legalization-wanting public.

That, and the Senate. Any legalization would have to pass the senate, and most of the support for legalization comes from a few of the more populated states and regions. The majority of states still very much oppose legalization, meaning anything will stall in the senate in the near future (like everything else always does).

I would love to be wrong and see pot legalized relatively soon, but I don't see it happening for another couple decades.
 
Kenak said:
Wouldn't that alone cause some to alter their views on it? From being something they enjoy to something less career/family minded individuals partake in?

Nah, it doesn't tend work out this way. People are definitely more likely to be exposed to marijuana use at a young age (in terms of trying it or having friends who use it frequently) but in practice most people tend to make a decision how they feel about that exposure and then stick to it.

The idea that people get more conservative as they get older is pretty inaccurate in general, actually. Statistically, people tend to be less accepting of new ideas as they get older, but their party affiliation and positions on individual issues tend to be informed by their experiences at the time they become politically active and remain fairly steady from then on. That looks a lot like "young people are liberal, old people are conservative" when you have a time period with fairly steady leftward movement on domestic issues but it's not causatively the same.

I'm also fairly confident that especially now, people are much more likely to dial down but not eliminate their use as they get older (much as most people do with alcohol) rather than eliminate it entirely.
 
Kenak said:
Very good point. But how many people are really educated on the pros/cons of marijuana? Would you say the majority just smoke it, like it, and thus believe it should be legal?

I really can't answer that. I'd like to say yes, but since I have absolutely no data to back it up, but I can imagine that the majority of people who smoke weed and want it legal would have thought about the reasons why it should be legal.

I'd imagine that there is more ignorance on the keep it illegal side than the legal one simply due to the legal people having a reason to research the positives of making it legal
 
Kenak said:
Well according to the above statistics, 18-29 year olds are the most in favor or marijuana legalization. Aren't they also the age group with the worst turnout for polls? (Complete conjecture, I don't really know -- just assuming.)

I was being sarcastic. It won't change until corporations, especially big Pharma, demands it. Although I suppose that's directly linked to its approval by the populace.
 
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