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[Neuromancer]

It's really only a matter of time at this point.

Once a clear majority of Americans are in favor of it being legalized, how could it not be?

 

[blame space]

even if weed was legal i would still feel horrible anxiety every time i smoked it because it used to be illegal and that makes me too nervous to enjoy it most times.

fucked up imo

 

[Kurdel]

For.

Why the fuck not?

 

[Apath]

I was being sarcastic. It won't change until corporations, especially big Pharma, demands it. Although I suppose that's directly linked to its approval by the populace.

I know you were, but I figured I'd try to give a reason why the obvious answer doesn't always work out to be the case.

 

[charlequin]

Conservatives hate regulations and the government

This is arguably untrue on a broad level to start with in American politics (social conservatism is oriented entirely towards the creation of moralistic behavior regulation) and it particularly falls down on any issue where love of small government goes up against the opportunity for hippie-punching. Crabby old people are going to fight this one to the death.

Would you say the majority just smoke it, like it, and thus believe it should be legal?

There are certainly a lot more people who understand the actual facts about marijuana (i.e. there's no defensible reason for it to be illegal) today than at any previous time since Prohibition, both because of the internet and because of the increasing scrutiny paid to the idiocy of the War on Drugs by people who have watched its failure over decades.

 

[Orayn]

It's really only a matter of time at this point.

Once a clear majority of Americans are in favor of it being legalized, how could it not be?

Grumpy old farts with veto power.

 

[wwm0nkey]

Dont smoke it, tried it a few times but kept getting panic attacks so I just stoped, I do think it should be legal though.

 

[squidyj]

Grumpy old farts with veto power.

Man, I hate veto power with such a passion SUCH a passion.

 

[Apath]

There are certainly a lot more people who understand the actual facts about marijuana (i.e. there's no defensible reason for it to be illegal) today than at any previous time since Prohibition, both because of the internet and because of the increasing scrutiny paid to the idiocy of the War on Drugs by people who have watched its failure over decades.

Yes, definitely. I just know a lot more people who are completely unaware of the arguments for and against marijuana than I know people who understand that marijuana is illegal for basically no reason at all. The two posts made on the last page by you and Gonaria pretty much covered all of my skepticism though.

 

[Lord_Byron28]

I never really smoke marijuana(maybe once on the very very rare occasion). However, I don't see the big deal in making it legal. However I think they should make it illegal to drive or work while high, jmo.

 

[Pinko Marx]

I never really smoke marijuana(maybe once on the very very rare occasion). However, I don't see the big deal in making it legal. However I think they should make it illegal to drive or work while high, jmo.

well, obviously.

 

[highrider]

ehh, it would be nice but i don't care. i never have a problem getting cheeba. it helps me with my brain. i don't engage in the hot behavior that would have you in court on a drug charge. sorry, i don't enjoy alcohol.

 

[Piecake]

I was being sarcastic. It won't change until corporations, especially big Pharma, demands it. Although I suppose that's directly linked to its approval by the populace.

Why wouldnt they be in favor of it? Corporations, especially the Tobacco companies, would/should should jump for joy if weed is legalized since it would mean more profits for them.

Corporations arent holding legal weed back, the populace and politicians are.

 

[Jak140]

Old people dying.

It's a generational thing, consider the support broken by age group (from the article) -
18-29 62%
30-49 56%
50:64 49%
65+ 31%

Proof that socialized medicine is destroying this country after all?

 

[Karma Kramer]

Why wouldnt they be in favor of it? Corporations, especially the Tobacco companies, would/should should jump for joy if weed is legalized since it would mean more profits for them.

Corporations arent holding legal weed back, the populace and politicians are.

This isn't true...

 

[Apath]

I never really smoke marijuana(maybe once on the very very rare occasion). However, I don't see the big deal in making it legal. However I think they should make it illegal to drive or work while high, jmo.

I agree. I'd just like to point out that while people should not be able to drive and work while high does not mean that because we cannot effectively control this does not mean it should be illegal. There are plenty of conditions people should not work or drive in (lack of sleep, sick, stress, emotional instability, etc) that we cannot control, yet would be ridiculous to consider illegal.

 

[goomba]

Why wouldnt they be in favor of it? Corporations, especially the Tobacco companies, would/should should jump for joy if weed is legalized since it would mean more profits for them.

Corporations arent holding legal weed back, the populace and politicians are.

Because weed can replace or negate the need for lots of expensive prescription medicines, thus less demand for drug company pharmacuticals .. thus less profit for corporations.

 

[Orayn]

This isn't true...

I don't disagree with you in principle, but can I at least get a link or something?

Because weed can replace or negate the need for lots of expensive prescription medicines, thus less demand for drug company pharmacuticals .. thus less profit for corporations.

Except its uses are relatively narrow and we already use some cannabinoid-derived drugs for just those purposes. Also, I see this argument used to promote quack alternative medicine nonsense way too often to accept it without some substantive backing.

 

[timetokill]

Keep cracking down on marijuana dispensaries, Obama!

 

[Piecake]

This isn't true...

How are they? Besides privatized prisons, I really cant think of a reason why a company would have a reason/feel strongly enough to seriously lobby against making weed legal.

Now, if its just the dbag in charge who hates weed for some odd reason, that should change in time as well

 

[The Technomancer]

For, but I'm also for an increase in medical studies of the effects on the brain. Its on the same level as alcohol for me, but I still have a hard time buying that prolonged usage of drugs that interact with brain chemistry don't have any side effects, as some people claim.

 

[Jme]

Smoke Trees Every Day

 

[Karma Kramer]

How are they? Besides privatized prisons, I really cant think of a reason why a company would have a reason/feel strongly enough to seriously lobby against making weed legal.

Now, if its just the dbag in charge who hates weed for some odd reason, that should change in time as well

one example:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/21/this-buds-not-for-you-bee_n_732901.html

 

[Chichikov]

How are they? Besides privatized prisons, I really cant think of a reason why a company would have a reason/feel strongly enough to seriously lobby against making weed legal.

Now, if its just the dbag in charge who hates weed for some odd reason, that should change in time as well

Big pharma wants to sell THC by prescription, there are also claims that they are worried it will eat into their anti-depressant sales.

 

[Apath]

How are they? Besides privatized prisons, I really cant think of a reason why a company would have a reason/feel strongly enough to seriously lobby against making weed legal.

Now, if its just the dbag in charge who hates weed for some odd reason, that should change in time as well

Hm, could of sworn I had a bookmark of a list containing all the big contributors against Prop 19 in Cali. Cannot find it though, so I guess this post will be another source-less contribution.

IIRC, big tobacco, alcohol, dispensaries, and local sellers all put money up against marijuana legalization or w/e it was.

EDIT: Come to think of it, I think prison guards were also involved in a previous process involving marijuana, but received a lot of flak over it so stayed silent during the Prop 19 voting.

 

[Agent Cooper]

Jesus, just legalize it already. Hot damn.

 

[Orayn]

For, but I'm also for an increase in medical studies of the effects on the brain. Its on the same level as alcohol for me, but I still have a hard time buying that prolonged usage of drugs that interact with brain chemistry don't have any side effects, as some people claim.

"Drugs are artificial, man. Weed is, like, an herb. It's natural."

Sorry, just had to throw this one out there because it makes me laugh every time I hear it.

 

[Count Dookkake]

I never really smoke marijuana(maybe once on the very very rare occasion). However, I don't see the big deal in making it legal. However I think they should make it illegal to drive or work while high, jmo.

Only for jobs where drinking would already be illegal.

Any job where one can not tell the difference in performance should be left alone.

 

[dudeworld]

yet prop 19 still couldn't pass

 

[Utako]

I feel like marijuana has only been kept illegal by people who have either never tried it, or who may have had a bad trip in the past.

Which is beyond cuckoo. Beyond absurd. The entire premise of marijuana's illegality is bonafide insane.

 

[Piecake]

one example:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/21/this-buds-not-for-you-bee_n_732901.html

Well, you'd basically have the Tobacco lobbyists versus the Alcohol Lobbyists. Id pretty much call that a wash, and definitely would not say that Corporations are holding legal weed back.

 

[Apath]

For, but I'm also for an increase in medical studies of the effects on the brain. Its on the same level as alcohol for me, but I still have a hard time buying that prolonged usage of drugs that interact with brain chemistry don't have any side effects, as some people claim.

I am sure there are side effects, but the question is are they positive, negative, or entirely benign? Being high is simply an experience just like anything else you can do in life.

 

[ReBurn]

Legal or not, you'll still smell bad after you smoke it. Awful smelling stuff.

 

[Utako]

Legal or not, you'll still smell bad after you smoke it. Awful smelling stuff.

Many would disagree with you, but at least you can spray some Febreez and let that be that.

 

[Snakeyes]

Only for jobs where drinking would already be illegal.

Any job where one can not tell the difference in performance should be left alone.

And here we go. My only issue with legalization is that people will always try to stretch the barrier even further.

I'm fine with weed in a grey area.

 

[Count Dookkake]

I feel like marijuana has only been kept illegal by people who have either never tried it, or who may have had a bad trip in the past.

Which is beyond cuckoo. Beyond absurd. The entire premise of marijuana's illegality is bonafide insane.

And people who wish to control access to the feeling of "the divine."

And here we go. My only issue with legalization is that people will always try to stretch the barrier even further.

I'm fine with weed in a grey area.

Where are we going? Please express your thoughts fully.

 

[The Lamonster]

Marijuana should be fully legalized

Spoiler

Marijuana should have been fully legalized in the sixties, and stayed that way

 

[Gaborn]

yet prop 19 still couldn't pass

it's amazing though. even though the ENTIRE establishment pretty much was against it, down to almost every single newspaper editorial board in the state it still BARELY failed.

 

[goomba]

I don't disagree with you in principle, but can I at least get a link or something?

Except its uses are relatively narrow and we already use some cannabinoid-derived drugs for just those purposes. Also, I see this argument used to promote quack alternative medicine nonsense way too often to accept it without some substantive backing.

People in serious pain whom weed can provide relief should be substantive backing enough. My auntie died a long agonising death because she was only allowed a certain amount of morphine or other prescription pain relievers daily, then she was forced to wait till she was allowed some more.

 

[Gaborn]

Marijuana should be fully legalized

Spoiler

Marijuana should have been fully legalized in the sixties, and stayed that way

The "Marihuana" Tax Act of 1937 should never have been taxed. (the way it was written made it functionally illegal)

 

[wiggleb0t]

You're the only person talking about medicinal anything in this thread (unless you count the aussie who complain that they don't even have medicinal pot in their country, probably the dingo ate it).
Quit shadowboxing.

Not being a drama queen. However if you actually consider the atrocity of that horrible incident it's not cool to perpetuate that phrase nor is it funny in any way.

That said, it's shameful it's still not available for legitimate often terminal illness's suffering patients in Australia. The pharmaceuticals don't want another competitor and have deeeeep pockets to try and keep it out.
Meanwhile people in America in some states iirc can get a prescription over very minor things in comparison.

 

[goomba]

Legal or not, you'll still smell bad after you smoke it. Awful smelling stuff.

So use a vaporiser or bake some brownies.

 

[Orayn]

People in serious pain whom weed can provide relief should be substantive backing enough. My auntie died a long agonising death because she was only allowed a certain amount of morphine or other prescription pain relievers daily, then she was forced to wait till she was allowed some more.

I'm sorry for your loss. Please don't misunderstand, I'm not saying that cannabis isn't effective or useful, just that medical science isn't ignoring its mechanism in developing more advanced, targeted drugs.

 

[Mr.Swag]

Wow at whoever said weed smells bad after you smoke.
Shots delicious!!
Kush is my cologne.

 

[ReBurn]

Many would disagree with you, but at least you can spray some Febreez and let that be that.

Probably only the ones who smoke it. I hate being on an elevator with a smoker. Especially someone who just got finished smoking. Cigarettes are bad enough, but weed is just awful.

Wow at whoever said weed smells bad after you smoke.
Shots delicious!!
Kush is my cologne.

That was me. Yes, it stinks. But please enjoy!

 

[Utako]

And here we go. My only issue with legalization is that people will always try to stretch the barrier even further.

I'm fine with weed in a grey area.

Seriously? I'd like to hear your rationale, if any.

"We shouldn't dispose of an unjust law because it may lead to rampant disposal of unjust laws!"

 

[Count Dookkake]

Seriously? I'd like to hear your rationale, if any.

"We shouldn't dispose of an unjust law because it may lead to rampant disposal of unjust laws!"

Yeah, it's a pretty stupid comment. I hope he explains it into something less stupid.

 

[arglebargle]

werent current producers and dealers strongly against prop 19? were they influential enough to be partially responsible for its failure?

 

[goomba]

And here we go. My only issue with legalization is that people will always try to stretch the barrier even further.

I'm fine with weed in a grey area.

You cant legalise gay marriage because that will lead to people marrying animals!

 

[Apath]

Probably only the ones who smoke it. I hate being on an elevator with a smoker. Especially someone who just got finished smoking. Cigarettes are bad enough, but weed is just awful.

Preference is one thing, but cigarettes without a doubt have a longer lasting and stronger post-smoking smell.

Yeah, it's a pretty stupid comment. I hope he explains it into something less stupid.

I feel stupid has too strong of a negative/inflammatory connotation. Ignorant comment