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[Dead Man]

How does it remind you of this? What animal does the alien in this video look like?

I think the alien in the video certainly looks real.. but like others have said, the video would have been taken down by now.

Colouring is similar.

 

[Keyser Soze]

MGM just dumped the Asgard props now that Stargate is officially over

 

[jaxword]

Besides, there IS life on Mars.

We brought microbes there with the lander.

We've created an alien species, we'll just have to wait 6 billion years for it to call home.

 

[CurlySaysX]

why do aliens not have clothes?

They do, but they dont have any washing machines in their spaceships.
Can you imagine how dirty and smelly clothes would get if you wore them for 10 million light years without washing?

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Why do they always look the same? If all the sightings in the world were real then the universe is full of little grey people.

People do report all kinds of different things. Easier to sell a plush of a little gray guy than a reptilian or a praying mantis being, though.

 

[Insane Metal]

The chance is lower than 2 to the power of 2079460347 : 1. And that's just a ridiculously high number I used, it's actually much higher.

I don't think you realize how unlikely humanoid alien life is under our current understanding of the development of life.

Alien life is perfectly possible, but life takes on TRILLIONS of mutations and forms over Billions of years, from single cells to complex entities like us humans.

I'll put it another way. It's more likely that every single woman in the entire world will decide suddenly to line up outside your door to have sex with you than there is humanoid alien life. There's a CHANCE...but open your door right now and tell me honestly, how likely do you think that is? I use this example as something that every man wants, but has never happened and never will, regardless of whether or not a miniscule chance exists.

I know all of that.

Still, it's not impossible.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Ask an evolutionary biologist for the details, but the likelihood of another species evolving with traits like ours is incredibly unlikely.

It took a specific combination of gravity, temperature and other environmental factors to produced monkeys that started walking upright and developed tools.

Also remember that our species is relatively new to the planet. The universe is old, very, very old, billions of years old. Our planet's lifespan is a fraction of that.

So we'd need a planet that's been around as long as ours, with the same distance from the sun, with the same density, with the same temperate zones, with the same combination of predators and prey to allow a humanoid species to dominate.

Well, to be as close as say, Vulcans, yeah, incredibly unlikely. But a lot of the basics seem like they'd come up on many planets. Senses? Two eyes and two ears are pretty solid designs. How advantageous it is to have the basis of sight/hearing/taste/smell right next to the brain such that it would be expected a lot, I have not thought about. At least three limbs to have motion beyond slithering or hopping with one free to manipulate things. Sure, there can be planets where something like snakes or rays are the dominant species, but it'd be pretty hard for them to make spaceships and end up in Russia.

 

[-viper-]

A lot of extinct earth species look NOTHING like anything living today:

And those creatures evolved on the same planet as we did. It's a pretty safe bet that alien lifeforms, evolving on a planet with vastly different properties, will look vastly different from us.

Now all of a sudden pretty much most animals on this planet have two eyes, two legs, two arms (or four legs).

 

[jaxword]

Well, to be as close as say, Vulcans, yeah, incredibly unlikely. But a lot of the basics seem like they'd come up on many planets. Senses? Two eyes and two ears are pretty solid designs. How advantageous it is to have the basis of sight/hearing/taste/smell right next to the brain such that it would be expected a lot, I have not thought about. At least three limbs to have motion beyond slithering or hopping with one free to manipulate things. Sure, there can be planets where something like snakes or rays are the dominant species, but it'd be pretty hard for them to make spaceships and end up in Russia.

Eyes work on a species that lives in a lit environment. There are species on the planet earth whose eyes basically do not exist because they live in darkness, so other organs evolved to allow their survival. Bats are a great example.

Check out Amblyopsidae.



NO eyes at all. There's creatures on this planet that evolved with no eyes at all.

That alone should blow people's minds--if we have that kind of organ diversity on our planet, what insanity could evolve on another planet just a few hundred KM from their sun? They'd evolve organs we aren't even aware of.

 

[jaxword]

Now all of a sudden pretty much most animals on this planet have two eyes, two legs, two arms (or four legs).

If we're just talking about mammals, yes.

Sea life, insect life, which GREATLY outnumber humans and mammals, have MUCH more diversity.

If we were to compare the biomass of insects to humans, insects beat us easily. So actually, most life on the planet does not follow the two legs/arms pattern.

 

[flintstryker]

wonder what it tastes like...

 

[Zombie James]

Ok, that was way smaller than I thought it would be.

 

[Prez]

Jaxword, sorry but I think you're full of ****. Again sorry, but it seems that your claims are based on your own assumptions. If you want to claim facts, you better start citing reliable sources. Then I'll believe you.

 

[jaxword]

Jaxword, sorry but I think you're full of ****. Again sorry, but it seems that your claims are based on your own assumptions.

Instead of personal attacks, why not address which claims are you disputing? The idea that the planet Earth has incredible biodiversity? The idea that it takes a specific environment to produce dominant humanoids? The fact it took us millions of years to develop to this level of culture and technology?

 

[Sadist]

Ha, I clicked this thread after watching an X-Files episode. Awesome

 

[Prez]

Instead of personal attacks, why not address which claims are you disputing? The idea that the planet Earth has incredible biodiversity? The idea that it takes a specific environment to produce dominant humanoids? The fact it took us millions of years to develop to this level of culture and technology?

See my edit. I need sources. The things you say in this quote are undisputed facts, but you seem to draw your own conclusions out of them.

 

[Alucrid]

Jaxword, sorry but I think you're full of ****. Again sorry, but it seems that your claims are based on your own assumptions. If you want to claim facts, you better start citing reliable sources. Then I'll believe you.

You just want to believe too much. But really, how likely is it that this alien just happens to look like the most common and overused kind in all forms of media, lore, etc.?

 

[Leona Lewis]

If aliens do exist, I hope they're so strange and fantastical that our brains could scarcely conceive of them.

Wacky theory: aliens have the ability to morph their bodies to a certain extent, so they make themselves look as familiar to us as possible in order for us to even begin to understand them. Otherwise any interaction would be hindered by the fact that their mere appearance alone defies all logic, reason, and human understanding. If any of these alien corpses are real (that autopsy video from the 90's is eerily realistic), then this can explain their too-coincidental humanoid appearance.

Too bad I don't believe aliens would even visit our planet, yet alone that they exist. It'd easily be the most significant event in human history to come into contact with a literally otherworldly species. It would also be super-rad.

 

[Jenga]

If aliens do exist, I hope they're so strange and fantastical that our brains could scarcely conceive of them. .

i hope they are humanoid to prove that god exists and created all intelligent beings in his 2 arm 2 leg appearance

 

[Nocebo]

This looks like crap but some of the reasons people are dismissing this are just silly.
Why is it naked? Why did the aliens leave their buddy behind? Why is it so small? How could something like this have invented interstellar space travel?
How about this is the equivalent of an ape or other equivalent with lower intelligence they just dropped out of their ship or sent out into space to see what our climate would do to it or what space would do to it etc? Maybe they genetically engineered a creature to do space travel tests on instead of building a robot. Who knows.

It's fake until there's some proper tests done on it proving otherwise.

 

[Prez]

You just want to believe too much. But really, how likely is it that this alien just happens to look like the most common and overused kind in all forms of media, lore, etc.?

I think the video is fake as well, but I'm not sure if Jaxword's theory is generally accepted. Without citing any scientific sources, his arguments seem the same to me as what creationism does. "There are still monkies" thus a divine entity must have created us vs "Earth has incredible biodiversity, It took millions of years to develop this level of culture and technology" thus alien life developing a humanoid form is near impossible. The similarity is that they both use only logical deduction without citing sources.

When it comes to Jaxword's theory, I'm neutral. It could be one thing or another. I don't know, I'm not a scientist. Jaxword isn't a scientist either, so he has to cite sources. Scientific research that support his theory would convince me.

 

[Furoba]

Eyes work on a species that lives in a lit environment. There are species on the planet earth whose eyes basically do not exist because they live in darkness, so other organs evolved to allow their survival. Bats are a great example.

Check out Amblyopsidae.

NO eyes at all. There's creatures on this planet that evolved with no eyes at all.

That alone should blow people's minds--if we have that kind of organ diversity on our planet, what insanity could evolve on another planet just a few hundred KM from their sun? They'd evolve organs we aren't even aware of.

There's even creatures that can eat stuff bigger than themselves. like 15cm fish -> 20cm squid

 

[scitek]

I just started watching Season 1 of Dexter, and this looks like the work of the Ice Truck killer.

 

[Future]

Since the universe is so vast, it increases the otherwise minuscule odds that another planet evolved similar humanoid life. Unfortunately it also lower the odds we'd ever come into contact with them by random chance. And then the odds that it would happen within our short lifespans, hell even within the lifespan of civilized man is so low that all this is pretty much impossible

Someone would have to develop some sort of radar or telescope so powerful that they could pinpoint planets likely to have life, so they could seek us out. Then the alien would have to want to bother. Why would they? Why travel an extreme distance away from your sources of food and water unless some sort of scifi apocalypse happened

We'll never do it. We don't have the resources or tech to check out our own solar system in a reasonable timeframe let alone other systems.

 

[weekend_warrior]

The chance is lower than 2 to the power of 2079460347 : 1. And that's just a ridiculously high number I used, it's actually much higher.

I don't think you realize how unlikely humanoid alien life is under our current understanding of the development of life.

Alien life is perfectly possible, but life takes on TRILLIONS of mutations and forms over Billions of years, from single cells to complex entities like us humans.

I'll put it another way. It's more likely that every single woman in the entire world will decide suddenly to line up outside your door to have sex with you than there is humanoid alien life. There's a CHANCE...but open your door right now and tell me honestly, how likely do you think that is? I use this example as something that every man wants, but has never happened and never will, regardless of whether or not a miniscule chance exists.

This might be the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. You have absolutely NO IDEA how likely it is that humanoid aliens exist, so don't act like you do. Nobody knows how prevalent life outside our planet is, it could be extremely common for all you know. And if intelligent does exist it would be very likely that many are humanoid. Eyes to see, large heads for brains, fingers to manipulate tools, etc.

Your example of "every woman lining up outside you door etc etc..." is completely fucking asinine.

 

[jaxword]

See my edit. I need sources. The things you say in this quote are undisputed facts, but you seem to draw your own conclusions out of them.

What things need what sources? I don't know what things you are referring to. If you provide me specific things you don't understand, I'll gladly provide sources, but "things" is too vague for me to comment on.

 

[jaxword]

Your example of "every woman lining up outside you door etc etc..." is completely fucking asinine.

Dude, that was obviously a joke to illustrate the concept of probability. Lighten up.

 

[jmdajr]

Since the universe is so vast, it increases the otherwise minuscule odds that another planet evolved similar humanoid life. Unfortunately it also lower the odds we'd ever come into contact with them by random chance. And then the odds that it would happen within our short lifespans, hell even within the lifespan of civilized man is so low that all this is pretty much impossible

Someone would have to develop some sort of radar or telescope so powerful that they could pinpoint planets likely to have life, so they could seek us out. Then the alien would have to want to bother. Why would they? Why travel an extreme distance away from your sources of food and water unless some sort of scifi apocalypse happened

We'll never do it. We don't have the resources or tech to check out our own solar system in a reasonable timeframe let alone other systems.

cries*

 

[kamorra]

http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/E/etlifevar.html

 

[Dead Man]

Instead of personal attacks, why not address which claims are you disputing? The idea that the planet Earth has incredible biodiversity? The idea that it takes a specific environment to produce dominant humanoids? The fact it took us millions of years to develop to this level of culture and technology?

While I agree that any alien life would be very different from us, it is not a stretch to think it may have 2 legs, symmetrical appendages, and sensory organs clustered away from the main body.

2 legs are the cheapest in terms of resources and mobility for land locomotion, and frees up resources to develop other appendages. These are probably symmetrical, since that is the easiest way to organise a control scheme. The sensory organs should be clustered away from the main, to avoid damage and provide an enhanced fov for them.

But hey, maybe they will be intelligent slime moulds that join together to form collectives.

 

[Ranger X]

Since the universe is so vast, it increases the otherwise minuscule odds that another planet evolved similar humanoid life. Unfortunately it also lower the odds we'd ever come into contact with them by random chance. And then the odds that it would happen within our short lifespans, hell even within the lifespan of civilized man is so low that all this is pretty much impossible

Someone would have to develop some sort of radar or telescope so powerful that they could pinpoint planets likely to have life, so they could seek us out. Then the alien would have to want to bother. Why would they? Why travel an extreme distance away from your sources of food and water unless some sort of scifi apocalypse happened

We'll never do it. We don't have the resources or tech to check out our own solar system in a reasonable timeframe let alone other systems.

Well, I'd agree if we'd new for sure what is the size and age of the universe -- wich we don't. Right now it's "infinite" therefore it's extremely hard to calculate the chance of a being meeting with us. That chance is... infinite.

As for reasons for traveling, one race studying things and life (like we do) would totally want to study life on other planets and its devellopment. It makes you verify alot of things and understand further how life devellops. The ultimate science goal afterall is to be like God and to create life. You better study it and understand it perfectly in order to know if it's at all possible.

 

[Kinitari]

I wonder why people say it's fake just because they look like us a little.

Why do they HAVE to be different?

After all, even in pre-hystorical drawings, 'creatures' wearing space suits and etc have always looked like humans...

I'm not saying this is real btw.

The reason why we have the two arm, two leg head/body archetype on Earth is because of a common ancestor that animals share, from way back in the day. There were alternatives, but those dudes didn't work out - if they did, we would have looked freaky. I am talking... 12 legs, tentacle monster freaky.

A lot of extinct earth species look NOTHING like anything living today:

And those creatures evolved on the same planet as we did. It's a pretty safe bet that alien lifeforms, evolving on a planet with vastly different properties, will look vastly different from us.

Like so

 

[kamorra]

While I agree that any alien life would be very different from us, it is not a stretch to think it may have 2 legs, symmetrical appendages, and sensory organs clustered away from the main body.

2 legs are the cheapest in terms of resources and mobility for land locomotion, and frees up resources to develop other appendages. These are probably symmetrical, since that is the easiest way to organise a control scheme. The sensory organs should be clustered away from the main, to avoid damage and provide an enhanced fov for them.

But hey, maybe they will be intelligent slime moulds that join together to form collectives.

Legs are great on a planet with enough gravity. Useless on a very low gravity planet, same with the skeleton.

 

[jaxword]

While I agree that any alien life would be very different from us, it is not a stretch to think it may have 2 legs, symmetrical appendages, and sensory organs clustered away from the main body.

2 legs are the cheapest in terms of resources and mobility for land locomotion, and frees up resources to develop other appendages. These are probably symmetrical, since that is the easiest way to organise a control scheme. The sensory organs should be clustered away from the main, to avoid damage and provide an enhanced fov for them.

But hey, maybe they will be intelligent slime moulds that join together to form collectives.

Yeah, I don't think anyone's disputing the usefulness of the humanoid body for our Earth environment. One look at sea life, though, indicates that the 4-limb structure is definitely land based. A bit less rocky, a bit more watery, and who knows what the dominant species would've become?

 

[Dead Man]

Legs are great on a planet with enough gravity. Useless on a very low gravity planet, same with the skeleton.

Yeah, I don't think anyone's disputing the usefulness of the humanoid body for our Earth environment. One look at sea life, though, indicates that the 4-limb structure is definitely land based. A bit less rocky, a bit more watery, and who knows what the dominant species would've become?

Yeah, it does assume a terrestrial lifestyle. I think developing advanced technology without that would be a bit tricky. Electrical engineering underwater, anyone?

 

[jaxword]

Yeah, it does assume a terrestrial lifestyle. I think developing advanced technology without that would be a bit tricky. Electrical engineering underwater, anyone?

Probably have to ask the dolphins about that.

 

[Tesseract]

intredasting.

 

[Dead Man]

Probably have to ask the dolphins about that.

Yeah, not disputing that intelligence can develop in other environments, I just think technology development may be difficult.

 

[Clydefrog]

I think this was a hit by the Alien Mob. This guy was working for the mob’s illegal mining expedition on Mars and was caught keeping minerals to himself/selling them. The mob found out, stripped off his clothes and tortured him, then dumped him in Siberia. The mob doesn’t give a shit.

 

[jaxword]

Yeah, not disputing that intelligence can develop in other environments, I just think technology development may be difficult.

There was an interesting discovery a while ago about dolphins using tools AND spreading that knowledge to their young.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/0607_050607_dolphin_tools.html

Really amazing stuff, when you think about the implications of potential "culture" in dolphins.

 

[Kinitari]

This might be the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. You have absolutely NO IDEA how likely it is that humanoid aliens exist, so don't act like you do. Nobody knows how prevalent life outside our planet is, it could be extremely common for all you know. And if intelligent does exist it would be very likely that many are humanoid. Eyes to see, large heads for brains, fingers to manipulate tools, etc.

Your example of "every woman lining up outside you door etc etc..." is completely fucking asinine.

Why? Why though? Why humanoid? Why not... 6 legs, proboscus and 14 eyes? Why not sensory organs that we can't even comprehend? maybe they have liquid sacks that spray a mist, and they can 'feel' everything in that mist?

Seriously, why 'humanoid'? The humanoid archetype is built off a very specific ancestor, that most animals share (I think? I haven't looked into it too much, and don't know where to start) - the odds that we co-incidentally are visited by beings that look EXACTLY like us? Large head, two eyes, nose mouth, hands, feet? Really?

 

[MNC]

speaking of which my dream abduction

That would very much want me to have a close encounter of the 7th kind.

Yes after having watched Fourth Kind I looked up all the different close encounters.

 

[zoukka]

Looks like a pile of intestines.

 

[KJTB]

If you're going to fake an alien video, why make it humanoid? Should go all out with the legs/eyes/teeth and stuff

 

[weekend_warrior]

Yeah, I don't think anyone's disputing the usefulness of the humanoid body for our Earth environment. One look at sea life, though, indicates that the 4-limb structure is definitely land based. A bit less rocky, a bit more watery, and who knows what the dominant species would've become?

A water world would likely not have a species develop into a super intelligent being capable of interstellar travel.

And even then, we could have aliens living in our oceans right now and have no idea since the variety of life forms is so great nothing would stick out as odd.

Hell we could have super intelligent aliens living in our oceans planning our demise right now, and you couldn't give me any probability "jokes" because we as human have no idea how easy or difficult interstellar will be for advanced beings. It could be very simply for a uber advanced alien to spot our planet from across the universe, see it has water, travel here in a matter of seconds, and kill us all instantly.

 

[jaxword]

Why? Why though? Why humanoid? Why not... 6 legs, proboscus and 14 eyes? Why not sensory organs that we can't even comprehend? maybe they have liquid sacks that spray a mist, and they can 'feel' everything in that mist?

Seriously, why 'humanoid'? The humanoid archetype is built off a very specific ancestor, that most animals share (I think? I haven't looked into it too much, and don't know where to start) - the odds that we co-incidentally are visited by beings that look EXACTLY like us? Large head, two eyes, nose mouth, hands, feet? Really?

This is basically what I was saying earlier.

We have species on this planet that have organs that are already quite alien to us. Bats use sonar. Some cave-dwelling creatures have no eyes at all. It's amazing what our own planet produces.

I mean, look at the Octopus. 8 legs, no skeleton, no nose, and a BEAK.

And they've been that way for millions of years:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29757659/

 

[A.KU.MU]

It's real...

Spoiler

and so is santa.

 

[Alucrid]

I think the video is fake as well, but I'm not sure if Jaxword's theory is generally accepted. Without citing any scientific sources, his arguments seem the same to me as what creationism does. "There are still monkies" thus a divine entity must have created us vs "Earth has incredible biodiversity, It took millions of years to develop this level of culture and technology" thus alien life developing a humanoid form is near impossible. The similarity is that they both use only logical deduction without citing sources.

When it comes to Jaxword's theory, I'm neutral. It could be one thing or another. I don't know, I'm not a scientist. Jaxword isn't a scientist either, so he has to cite sources. Scientific research that support his theory would convince me.

Huh? He's saying that different environmental factors will have different evolutionary results.

 

[jaxword]

A water world would likely not have a species develop into a super intelligent being capable of interstellar travel.

Didn't you just blow up at me for making a joke about how likely things are? Come on, practice what you preach.

 

[Bentendo]

Why do they always look the same? If all the sightings in the world were real then the universe is full of little grey people.

They all look the same because they're the only alien species to visit Earth. DUH!

They just have to learn to stop dying.