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Swedish Election 2010 - Probably same govt, anti-immigrant party gains right to sit
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jakershaker
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alexthekid said:
Well considering that Moderaterna and Socialdemokraterna pretty much have the same ideas on the important big things(healthcare, taxes,jobs and schools) I'm not seing how Sweden will change regardless of who wins.
I'd make a quick remark here and say that there are some differences for sure regarding health insurance as they do wish to retract some of the changes the Alliance have done but otherwise I agree that they do share a lot ideas and I think people are exaggerating the differences between these two Coalitions (I mean both of them are pandering to the middle class after all). I mean just look how heated the debate got over the spending of those extra 10 billion kronors that were made available due to increased revenue. People were acting like those were the difference between life and death.jakershaker said:
Bunch of drama queens are what we are :lol
I'd like to know btw what you guys think about the Ohly proposal? I cannot remember anything like that has ever happened during an election campaign. It really didn't sit right with me since it comes of as him taking advantage of his girlfriend to get media exposure, really cheap and the fact that he didn't even manage to do it properly (cameras got cut off) just made it even more embarrassing.
I'm sure he wanted to propose but I just view it as him doing a media stunt. He knows that people are talking about how he hostile he is. Giving the bird to people, shouting like a maniac that they are liars, shunning journalists etc. This was just a stunt he did to make himself seem more warm and loving.Bento said:
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They might seem really similar in their new propositions, i will admit that. But they still dont share the same big ideas about healthcare and taxes atleast, you cant argue that. I can see that people dont think that the next four years wont change SO much depending on who rules. But if the right wing win, the political climate will move further to the right then if the red win, although they arent either afraid of private schools and tax reductions anymore.jakershaker said:
You can already see how much the climate have change these four years, when you think of the fact that what the red wing want to do in many areas is just to change it back to what it was four years ago. If the right win again, the left will probably be talking about getting back to todays climate in four years.
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rezuth said:
This can bee true and we will never know if it is. But you have to agree that it would be hard for him to do the proposition this "BIG" if he didnt do it know. Like how some people want to propose right before the eyes of a full fotball stadium or the flag behind a plane thingy you see in movies.
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And now what i think about: It was strange, im just glad he didnt do it in SVT. In TV4 nothing is serious anyway...
I can see what you are saying here but I cannot shake the feeling that by the time we've finally pulled out from this war nothing substantial will have been accomplished. Yes, I do acknowledge that progress has been made with education (Don't remember the figures but there has been a large increase in children attending school with something like 30% of those being female) and I'm sure some areas have been made more safe. But as I understand it, several areas have also been lost to the Taliban since the invasion began and I can't say the current government instills me with confidence that they'll actually be able to govern once we leave.Shanadeus said:
As harsh as it may seem to say, the Afghanistan War doesn't strike me as anything but a time and money sink. I mean, do we even have a clear goal anymore? What are the victory conditions? Bildt sure hasn't been able to specify these and I haven't really been able to make sense of what the Americans have in mind. As long as there is no such thing I don't really see any reason why we should be there and therefore I'm an advocate of a withdrawal. There's simply more pressing things these resources could be spent on domestically and countries we could do more good by supporting.
Now with all that said, I disagree with the Red-Green coalition on their stance on what to do after a withdrawal. Their idea of us sending supply and other sorts of aid is commendable in theory but considering the problems SIDA has been having distributing aid in especially African countries I highly doubt they'd have a much easier time in a war torn country like Afghanistan. Besides, without a strong military presence to keep the Taliban in check I'd seriously doubt the usefulness of our support for the civilians and the high risk of the money simply being pocketed by the Taliban (which has been the case with many similar rebel factions in the past).
If every other reason fails, you can always view the war as a training camp for our soldiers. To make them better prepared for peace-keeping operations that they will inevitably be sent to. Now that's not good enough of a reason on its own but it becomes an acceptable reason when combined with the positive, no matter how minor, the presence of Swedish troops have in Afghanistan.Bento said:
And in other news, the election day is closing in and a lot of things have been happening around here at least. Members of the youth party associated with the Left Party have have among many things been reported for plastering Left Party posters over the Moderate Party ones.
I've also seen some pretty interesting advertising campaigns from the Alliance - they had people standing next to right turn sections of the road holding up signs that said "Don't turn left".
Found it pretty clever and amusing.
Oh I love nerds sometimesMajine said:
Also, tough news for SD according to the latest polls were they manage to must a lackluster 2.5 %! I do think the the previous polls have been more on point with where they'll finally end up but god do I hope this ends up being true. The meltdown on the commentary fields at SVD, DN and the Flashback forums would be delicious :lol
They've stated that they won't cooperate with the alliance.nubbe said:
I voted for MP last time, but they're a bit too keen on taxing the shit out of us in the north, and their stance on nuclear power isn't particularly helpful if they want to actually achieve their goal to minimize our impact on the environment.
Oh come on you drama queen, this happens to every party from time to time and SD is no exception. Now the violent attacks that actually have taken place against SD members and the obstruction of their meetings are indeed very worrisome for Swedish democracy. But don't equate that with this prank : PForsete said:
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Bento said:
This is not the first time though (regarding the websites). They were under DDOS-attacks for several days just the last few weeks. I haven't read that anything similar has happened to the 7-klövern.
Of course the attacks on party members and meetings are way more disgusting.
Because SD could vote with any black that oppose any given proposition and put the legislation process on a halt?Shanadeus said:
Unless the alliance get over 50% of the votes they will need support from the green left.
Reinfeldt even said himself that they would seek cooperation with the greens first if SD enters the riskdag.
That's kinda what I'm expecting, I think there's a fairly big probability of them getting over 50% of the votes.nubbe said:
And looks like the hacker attack has been brought up by DN in addition to another news tidbit:
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/valet2010/hackerattack-mot-sds-hemsida-1.1173125
Basically, the SD-party leader Jimmie Åkesson tried to emulate Martin Luthers attack against the church 500 years ago by driving up to the Parliament with the intention of putting up a paper with 99 things he wants to change if their party gets a seat in the parliament. But he was apparently stopped by security since it's illegal to put up posters on the door to the parliament.
I can see that as a possibility due to the fact that SD seems to be taking votes primarily from the KD, but I think that the actual numbers for the SD will be lower than what polls have shown. Basing it all on my intuition so I might turn our completely off course but I think we'll be seeing the alliance in majority.nubbe said:
So a day before the elction and I have no idea who to vote for. :lol
Did a test and FP was first, then Moderaterna, Vänster, MP, Socialdemokraterna etc
I really want to keep the "Swedish model" of doing things, but I also think that the Alliance has done a great job these past 4 years. I do not want SD in, just look at their fucking commercial. :lol
Might vote for PP just to LOL
Did a test and FP was first, then Moderaterna, Vänster, MP, Socialdemokraterna etc
I really want to keep the "Swedish model" of doing things, but I also think that the Alliance has done a great job these past 4 years. I do not want SD in, just look at their fucking commercial. :lol
Might vote for PP just to LOL
EDIT: Bah, I'll retract that statement until I can find the articles I read on the subject of Danish free speech : SShanadeus said:
EDIT2: Bah, only found one of them so far: Så försökte Pia Kjærsgaard stoppa andras yttrandefrihet. I found more articles touching on similar issues regarding Danish free speech that make their criticism of our debate seem hypocritical (even if it doesn't invalidate said criticism).
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I googled "swedish politician" and this was the first image:
Yeah, the context disappeared when I deleted my first post : PShanadeus said:
My point was that during this Election we've seen the Danish media and politicians being very concerned regarding the state of Swedish free speech using the treatment of the Swedish Democrats as an example of how poor it is in our country. There is nothing wrong about the Danish standing up for free speech in foreign countries but it sort of falls flat and becomes hilariously hypocritical when infringement of Free Speech is being carried out in Denmark and cheered on by the very people that accuse us of doing the same : P
So, to sum it up, this was not directed at you in any way I was simply not surprised, but slightly amused, at the presence of Danish reporters at a Swedish Democrat event.
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Minamu said:I voted for the Pirate Party yesterday. I have zero knowledge about the separate parties so casting a vote on them wouldn't feel right imho. No more Mod party please
I saw Debatt (SVT) where Rick Falkvinge debated Johan Pehrson.. Total destruction, even more so if you watched the broadcast they did on SVT Play (Eftersnack). :lol
Too bad they wont get enough votes, they hover around 1-0.7% .
alexthekid
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If you want to keep the Swedish model, you better not vote right. Because in 4 years it will be to late.Erasus said:
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Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
Regardless of how we vote Sweden is our own Shire and we're not really concerned what goes on outside our borders, it doesn't matter much whichever side wins. I'd rather have Reinfeldt than Sahlin, atleast he doesn't--in a room with Barack Obama--look like he's going to ask if anyone wants falukorv med mos.
alexthekid
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Politics doesnt have a re-adjust button. As an example we can talk about the companies that our goverment sell out just because of the sake of doing it. Its not like "we can just re-adjust" and take them back in a couple of years. What will they sell next? Vattenfall? That would propably be the last nail in the coffin for our industry.Shanadeus said:
And its not just about companies, it is everything in our wellfare. A good working system takes much longer time and harder work to build up then to sell it or just letting it degenerate.
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