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[AzaK]

Oh. My. God.

Lmao

You're not hot shit because you comment on a gaming forum you know.

It's not a Nintendo thing or a Nintendo consumer thing, it's just business. Most companies want to sell to the unsophisticated consumer because they don't demand as much. Goes for consoles, cars, appliances and whatever. Sony and MS have taken the approach that they don't want to sell to the unsophisticated, they want to sell a lot to the enthusiast gamer. Therefore they create their platform to cater to that. Nintendo see that as long as they have some of their games and other Japanese third parties, the rest of their featureset doesn't really matter so long as it's base-line passable or there's some vague hint it *might* appear in some form at some unknown time.

I think the Switch preorders pretty much prove this given it's major shortcomings.

 

[Neonep]

If Zelda is not your type of game. I'd say it would be best to wait.

I got a Wii U and Zelda is one of the reasons I got it. I also already got MK8. There is nothing worth me investing $300 into this thing.

 

[Tecnniqe]

fuck all those lesser gamers that are not enlightened like me and can't see all this shit that I see. they are so uninformed and i am so over all of this they are like dirty peasants they are blinded by nintendo i say

No, it's 2017 and you purchase a portable device that can't at the very least open a web browser.

Stop defending that shit.

 

[Bluth54]

What baffles me more than Nintendo being Nintendo is people defending it.

You'd think people want their favorite plastic device to be as good as it possibly can, but why would they when they eat that shit all up.

Disappointing Nintendo.

Yeah I agree. I can't believe people are defending some of these decisions Nintendo are making about the Switch. I love Nintendo. I've bought every console they put out on launch since the Gamecube (which was when I could first buy consoles myself) and all of their handles at or near launch since the GBA. I have a Switch and the Zelda collector's edition pre-ordered.

Despite all this I'm not going to give them a free pass on the dumb decisions they're making. I'm more than willing to call them out.

 

[Camper Van Beethoven]

http://i.imgur.com/HzYxWZj.gif[/IG]

On a portable.

Still worth it day one with or without apps. 3 weeks remain![/QUOTE]

This kind of deflection is so sad.

 

[Steve McQueen]

Don't need a browser so I'm fine with that. Gonna use it as a gaming device, so not needed.
Never ever used browser on my PS4 and XboxOne. Don't see why I should.

 

[jts]

This thing is a tablet, the absolute minimum someone would want on a tablet in 2017 is a web browser.

It's a console.

By the same metric, the PS4 would be a PC, and yet I can't install Windows on it.

 

[Roo]

It sucks they can't get a browser running on this thing day one, sure, but on the other hand, everyone has phones, tablets and laptops around, it is beyond me it's such a huge concern for so many here.

I'd love to know how many of you actually use a console's browser and who's here only to bitch "lol Nintendo"

 

[L.O.R.D]

i can see why they did that,but they can prevent that by making the browser downloadable app from the eShop,and it wont work if there an update for the app or for the system.

just like what they did on 3DS with games like Ironfall: Invasion and make it unable to run if there an update for the game.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

nearly every person on earth has a smartphone, no? it's fine that the PS4 doesn't have a browser (I used the PS3 browser maybe once) and it's fine that the switch won't have one

The PS3 and PS4 are not mobile devices.

 

[Discotheque]

There should be a greater outrage over their voice chat option tbh

It makes this console seem like a joke

 

[calc84maniac]

No, it's 2017 and you purchase a portable device that can't at the very least open a web browser.

Stop defending that shit.

It's 2017 and I'm buying a portable gaming console to play games. I don't have to defend that.

 

[-Mutsukki-]

It's not a Nintendo thing or a Nintendo consumer thing, it's just business. Most companies want to sell to the unsophisticated consumer because they don't demand as much. Goes for consoles, cars, appliances and whatever. Sony and MS have taken the approach that they don't want to sell to the unsophisticated, they want to sell a lot to the enthusiast gamer. Therefore they create their platform to cater to that. Nintendo see that as long as they have some of their games and other Japanese third parties, the rest of their featureset doesn't really matter so long as it's base-line passable or there's some vague hint it *might* appear in some form at some unknown time.

I think the Switch preorders pretty much prove this given it's major shortcomings.

I think maybe the problem here is the word that you're using, since it sounds horribly condenscending. But I don't think Nintendo is appealing that much to the casual crowd either, more like it appeals to the same crowd as the PS4, just in a different way. Except with maybe 1-2 Switch (which is so far almost never featured in overview trailers), they're pretty much trying to reach to cores too, just with a different message than graphics/power

No, it's 2017 and you purchase a portable device that can't at the very least open a web browser.

Stop defending that shit.

Yes please keep telling me what I should be or not care about. Disregard all the times I said this is not ideal.

Maybe you could stop being so full of yourself, Jesus.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Nice software Nintendo

I love the downplays across all the news threads...

No voice - "Oh well, I'll just download the app for 2€, I have my phone with me all the time!"
No Video apps - "I have a shit ton of devices for that already! I'll use the Switch only for gaming!"
No 3rd party yet - "I just want to play Nintendo games, Game x/y isn't important!"
No Browser - "eh, who cares?!"

Yep.

nearly every person on earth has a smartphone, no? it's fine that the PS4 doesn't have a browser (I used the PS3 browser maybe once) and it's fine that the switch won't have one

Don't use web browser on any gaming device. This isn't a loss at all.

LOL Yep. Right here. "I've never used it. Must mean no one else should use it either".

 

[Flo_Evans]

Man. No browser or YouTube.

Web browsers do kind of suck on consoles but man they are nice to have every once in a while.

It's like man spreedsheet apps on cell phones are kinda shit, but that one time you need one it's a lifesaver.

Another thing to play YouTube would be really nice too. Kids watch fuckin YouTube more than anything.

Sure you can just get out the iPad... but then why not just use the iPad.

They should have just called this thing the Nintendo Zelda.

 

[AzaK]

but..but...ZELDA!!

Is on Wii U.

 

[Tecnniqe]

It's 2017 and I'm buying a portable gaming console to play games. I don't have to defend that.

Sure. Too bad you can't play with others on the bus or at a hotel or airport online. Guess you don't need anything else.

Why even include wifi, just a waste of resource.

 

[Vinnk]

I got a Wii U and Zelda is one of the reasons I got it. I also already got MK8. There is nothing worth me investing $300 into this thing.

Yeah, I would say in your case it would be best to wait.

 

[AzaK]

I think maybe the problem here is the word that you're using, since it sounds horribly condenscending. But I don't think Nintendo is appealing that much to the casual crowd either, more like it appeals to the same crowd as the PS4, just in a different way. Except with maybe 1-2 Switch (which is so far almost never featured in overview trailers), they're pretty much trying to reach to cores too, just with a different message than graphics/power

Maybe. When I say unsophisticated I don't mean stupid, I mean those that have a lower threshold of acceptance.

 

[MouldyK]

If no Handheld Gaming Device or even Home Console had internet, you wouldn't rage.


People just want their gaming devices to do everything lately lol.


I'm fine with wanting that, but I'll be happy buying a game a month on the Switch because it looks like there will be enough games.

 

[Neonep]

Shit.... I'm willing to bet that if it wasn't for the Switch, Zelda: BotW would have been out by now.

 

[L.O.R.D]

Wii U had a browser. 3DS had a browser. Both came down the road.

the wiiu browser was decent,browsing on a tablet like device is much much better then browsing on a device like 3DS,the 3DS was very week to use the browser.
the Wiiu was very capable to do tthat.

zelda.gif

On a portable.

Still worth it day one with or without apps. 3 weeks remain!

WOW,i don't know what actually to say.

The PS3 and PS4 are not mobile devices.

the Vita does have browser tho.

 

[calc84maniac]

Sure. Too bad you can't play with others on the bus or at a hotel or airport online. Guess you don't need anything else.

Why even include wifi, just a waste of resource.

Slippery slope?

We don't know whether or not there's a solution in place for hotspots, but even assuming that's true, I'm an adult and I can deal with it.

 

[random25]

High price point compared to the competition.

1, 2 Switch being a full priced game and not a pack in - especially considering it seems like the perfect Wii Sports like pack in that could drive adoption of the system.

High price point for accessories.

Paid for online service when Nintendo has yet to prove they can come close to having a paid for online service.

Said paid for online service only renting you a game for a month instead of letting you keep it like their competition.

Online service requiring you to use a smart phone app for basic functionality that you can do with every other system like matchmaking and voice chat.

Charging $60 for a port of Mario Kart 8 with minimal additions.

Recently announcing multiple 3DS games that wont also be coming to Switch despite the Switch lineup being pretty barren.

Not including basic features expected in a device like this such as a web browser or Netflix.

Let me offer some counterpoints even if it's a bit off-topic:

1. Launch price will always be high. And $300 launch price is even on the low end compared to how much other current gen consoles launched, Wii U included.

2. It's debatable but either way, if people are not interested in 1-2-Switch in the first place then I don't see why bundling it for free does anything good. We already see GAF reactions, games media reactions and youtuber reactions about 1-2-Switch, and it seems they don't like it so yeah, better let the market decide its desirability.

3. Gaming accessories in general are expensive, not just Nintendo's. The only ones cheaper are third party accessories with questionable builds sometimes. How many of these accessories are even necessary anyway?

4. Paid online is shitty in general. I hate paid online. I hope all of the big 3 removes that paywall, but we know they won't.

5. We don't know much about what other things are included in online pay, so better wait and see before I judge if it's really that bad.

6. Same as above. Not really interested in these things and kinda looks annoying on surface level, but let's see when these things are fleshed out.

7. Mario Kart 8 on Wii U is still $60 MSRP. Base game plus DLC plus improved battle mode and extra stuff like new characters and added items for the same price does not look so bad. It's a good value especially for newcomers. Besides, it's still a port/remaster or whatever you want to call it. Every other developer does the same thing, or even less.

8. 3DS games development does not relate to Switch development unless we have some insider from Nintendo that proves otherwise, like ignoring Switch game development to give way for more 3DS games, etc.

9. I stated earlier my take on the web browser. Sucks for those who uses them on consoles like the Wii U, but just about every device we have does those things and more, so I don't mind if they come later. It's not like it's the #1 reason people buy consoles, because otherwise Xbox One would be the market leader because of its heavy multimedia focus during its launch.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

What baffles me more than Nintendo being Nintendo is people defending it.

You'd think people want their favorite plastic device to be as good as it possibly can, but why would they when they eat that shit all up.

Disappointing Nintendo.

I saw people back in 2013 defending the Xbox One DRM crap. And before that, people defending PS3's $600 price and the lack of rumble on the SIXAXIS.

The fanboyism and white-knighting on display here doesn't surprise me at all.

 

[Rappy]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1341774

Now take your outrage out of here.

I just have to say I find this post incredibly ironic since you created this thread that thrives on outrage over Nintendo not having a minor feature (at launch).

Hyperbole? Your paying $300+ for a device that can't even open google or view movies and all it does is Zelda? A $50 tablet from 2005 can do all this. Every device and console can do this, but the one that's portable and would benefit the most from it? Neeeh

They've not confirmed it's coming at all. They said it's not coming, not at launch anyway.

$300 beta OS where you probably need to fork down $100 or more for basic chargers for playing on the go etc etc.

What baffles me more than Nintendo being Nintendo is people defending it.

You'd think people want their favorite plastic device to be as good as it possibly can, but why would they when they eat that shit all up.

Disappointing Nintendo.

Yeah I agree. I can't believe people are defending some of these decisions Nintendo are making about the Switch. I love Nintendo. I've bought every console they put out on launch since the Gamecube (which was when I could first buy consoles myself) and all of their handles at or near launch since the GBA. I have a Switch and the Zelda collector's edition pre-ordered.

Despite all this I'm not going to give them a free pass on the dumb decisions they're making. I'm more than willing to call them out.

Well what are you calling them out for? Or what is everyone calling them out for? What's the alternative? Delay the Switch until they properly implement non-gaming "apps"? I sure as hell don't want that, and it seems you don't either (referring to Bluth54 having already pre-ordered). As others have said, this March 3rd date does seem sort of a "soft-launch" (despite other users posting images that they don't know what they are talking about). While soft launch doesn't necessarily mean missing features, it does mean only a limited number of users will have access to the device. Only 2 million Switches will be available worldwide at launch, which is a small amount. I'll gladly take playing Zelda as soon as possible over Netflix, web browser, etc. And it does seem like these things will come eventually with all their "at launch" qualifiers.

 

[Vinnk]

I saw people back in 2013 defending the Xbox One DRM crap. And before that, people defending PS3's $600 price and the lack of rumble on the SIXAXIS.

The fanboyism and white-knighting on display here doesn't surprise me at all.

It's a tale as old as time. I'm old enough to remember people defending the Virtual Boy's lack of color and the Software selection and price of the 32X. These were discussion on usenet.. man takes me back.

 

[serenewarfare]

I think some ITT are conflating people saying that they personally don't care with those same people thinking it's not a bad decision.

You can acknowledge something is poor overall while still having it not affect your personal purchasing decision. That does not inherently make you a "fanboy".

 

[Panajev2001a]

Surely Netflix will be there. Browser, not so much. You can thank the homebrew community for that.

I'm not against more functionality. This thing coming without a freaking YouTube app is a tragedy. I just don't think Nintendo could ever position this thing as a substitute to a real tablet and be successful in doing so. They say "look guys, we know who you are, you know who you are, we know the early adopters care about games first and foremost, the rest can wait". And looking at the prices I don't think anyone could accidentally buy a Switch because they thought it was a tablet. Android tablets are below 100€ at this point. Nintendo can't and does not want to enter and compete in that market. They wanted to make a hybrid, it made sense to use the tablet form factor. That's it. It's not a tablet.

So it is better marketing to go to all the people that see it as a tablet, not that small of a group I reckon, and convince them why it lacking expected functionality for a tablet makes it not a tablet... really?

 

[Panajev2001a]

I saw people back in 2013 defending the Xbox One DRM crap. And before that, people defending PS3's $600 price and the lack of rumble on the SIXAXIS.

The fanboyism and white-knighting on display here doesn't surprise me at all.

True... but to be accurate... PS3 was costing Sony like $800 to manufacture at launch, Immersion was suing them for infringement, and as soon as they settled the lawsuit they brought rumble back (some games like Folklore and Heavenly Sword did use the Sixaxis quite well actually).

 

[calc84maniac]

So it is better marketing to go to all the people that see it as a tablet, not that small of a group I reckon, and convince them why it lacking expected functionality for a tablet makes it not a tablet... really?

They're marketing it for what it is, not for what it isn't. If someone buys it for what it isn't, then that's on them, and why would Nintendo want to stop them?

I'm buying it for what it is, and what Nintendo has said it will be, and it's ridiculous that people are saying it's "indefensible" or shameful in some way to make an informed purchase.

 

[Mdk7]

I never use consoles to surf the net, but once again this is ridiculous.
Come the fuck on, Nintendo.

 

[Mawile]

They're marketing it for what it is, not for what it isn't. If someone buys it for what it isn't, then that's on them, and why would Nintendo want to stop them?

I'm buying it for what it is, and what Nintendo has said it will be, and it's ridiculous that people are saying it's "indefensible" or shameful in some way to make an informed purchase.

What a game console is these days is a lot different than what it was 10 years ago, however.

 

[Tecnniqe]

Slippery slope?

We don't know whether or not there's a solution in place for hotspots, but even assuming that's true, I'm an adult and I can deal with it.

Not much left to make a slope out of and shucks, you're one of them adults.

Spoiler

How do you hotspot without a browser and if it does have a hotspot browser why is it not a standalone browser as the functionality is there?

 

[Neonep]

I just have to say I find this post incredibly ironic since you created this thread that thrives on outrage over Nintendo not having a minor feature (at launch).


Well what are you calling them out for? Or what is everyone calling them out for? What's the alternative? Delay the Switch until they properly implement non-gaming "apps"? I sure as hell don't want that, and it seems you don't either (referring to Bluth54 having already pre-ordered). As others have said, this March 3rd date does seem sort of a "soft-launch" (despite other users posting images that they don't know what they are talking about). While soft launch doesn't necessarily mean missing features, it does mean only a limited number of users will have access to the device. Only 2 million Switches will be available worldwide at launch, which is a small amount. I'll gladly take playing Zelda as soon as possible over Netflix, web browser, etc. And it does seem like these things will come eventually with all their "at launch" qualifiers.

Well you could have played Zelda sooner if they didn't delay just to have a "new" title for launch.

 

[forknknife]

Remember when people thought this could take the place of their tablet? Yeah...

I didn't think it but i wished it.

 

[fabricated backlash]

A shame really. Loved using the browser in between gaming on the WiiU, or to look stuff up.

The only real reason is to minimize attack vectors for hackers.

At the very Least I expect them to add these features (browser, netflix, amazon video) in later.
Sucks, but I'm personally hopeful that it will be there eventually.

 

[Hermii]

Shit.... I'm willing to bet that if it wasn't for the Switch, Zelda: BotW would have been out by now.

Off course it would, but it would likely be a less polished game because delaying it for the Switch gave them more time to work on it.

 

[Rappy]

Well you could have played Zelda sooner if they didn't delay just to have a "new" title for launch.

Okay, I'll qualify it as playing Zelda without having to be tethered to an outlet or in higher quality, or even to just playing Zelda on the Switch (can't play Zelda on the Switch without a Switch). Oh, and there's other games I want to play that will likely be out before these non-gaming features are added in.

 

[calc84maniac]

What a game console is these days is a lot different than what it was 10 years ago, however.

It's an evolving definition. It's defined by the consoles, consoles are not defined by the definitions.

I can appreciate a minimal design. All I want from this is to play games, and that's what Nintendo is giving me. I'm right in the middle of their target market, I suppose. Other people here might not be, and that's okay. Nintendo will continue to evolve the Switch platform to bring in new people.

 

[Drensch]

23 pages about a belated browser? Or has this just become the dump thread?

Would a browser, Netflix, Hulu etc day one be better? Yes. Fatal without, no.

 

[IrishNinja]

trying to remember the last time i opened a browser on a console, and i'm drawing a blank

might've been the dreamcast

 

[kiguel182]

You heard it here first folks, there's no reason to just not take an iPad mini with you inside your Switch bag.

Except for the $269 that it will cost.

Maybe.

For a lot of folks here everyone has an iPad, an awesome phone, a set up box and at least two consoles. Also a smart tv obviously.

That's just how everyone lives.

 

[Cappa]

Honestly, who needs a browser on their video game systems nowadays? Just a waste of time and resources, not like it's actually going to be a good browser anyway.

Considering this will also be a portable system I find the exclusion of a dedicated browser to be mind boggling.

For a lot of folks here everyone has an iPad, an awesome phone, a set up box and at least two consoles. Also a smart tv obviously.

That's just how everyone lives.

Yep, everyone on Neogaf is rich!

 

[sneas78]

It's a tale as old as time. I'm old enough to remember people defending the Virtual Boy's lack of color and the Software selection and price of the 32X. These were discussion on usenet.. man takes me back.

Ohh wow seriously there was that back then? Serious or joke post ?

 

[AzaK]

Yeah I agree. I can't believe people are defending some of these decisions Nintendo are making about the Switch. I love Nintendo. I've bought every console they put out on launch since the Gamecube (which was when I could first buy consoles myself) and all of their handles at or near launch since the GBA. I have a Switch and the Zelda collector's edition pre-ordered.

Despite all this I'm not going to give them a free pass on the dumb decisions they're making. I'm more than willing to call them out.

I'm with you. I've had (And still have) a N64, GC, Wii and Wii U. I've owned (and still have) a Gameboy, DS Phat, DS Lite and 3DS. However I've been unsatisfied with all of those except N64 and GC so it's time I just bailed out of the Nintendo owning arena - despite really, really loving Zelda and Metroid. Thankfully I can get Zelda on Wii U and Metroid is, well seemingly gone

 

[Aiii]

For a lot of folks here everyone has an iPad, an awesome phone, a set up box and at least two consoles. Also a smart tv obviously.

That's just how everyone lives.

You can browse just fine on your 2007 phone, so I don't see how the "oh, only rich folks have a device they mainly use for browsing" argument has any validity here.

 

[Mawile]

It's an evolving definition. It's defined by the consoles, consoles are not defined by the definitions.

I can appreciate a minimal design. All I want from this is to play games, and that's what Nintendo is giving me. I'm right in the middle of their target market, I suppose. Other people here might not be, and that's okay. Nintendo will continue to evolve the Switch platform to bring in new people.

Although that statement is true, I think in this circumstance where previous simple to implement features that benefit Nintendo as well as consumers isn't there when it generally is elsewhere is not an evolution of the definition, but a step backwards.

People confused or put off by the execution of this launch's features is not that surprising. Sure, some will make immature statements at each other, but in the end, potential customers/customers no matter how big or small a number are sharing their feelings on this.

They may have you on board now with their current offerings, but I think it's important for Nintendo to see the criticism here and not repeat past mistakes. Not just for the sake of consumers, but for themselves as well.

 

[Deleted member 518153]

How can a company release a device in 2017 without matching industry wide standards when it comes to functionalities is beyond me. I'll wait until the Switch is an attractive product, so far I'm less excited than I was for the Wii U.

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

For a lot of folks here everyone has an iPad, an awesome phone, a set up box and at least two consoles. Also a smart tv obviously.

That's just how everyone lives.

All parents provide all those things to their kids as well.

This device screams mass appeal.