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Symbolism in MEtal Gear (Spoilers)

1 “The breed of the horse is an Andalusian Horse. Because it is white, and the field of flowers is white, it represents purity."

2. Boss gives Big Boss the Patriot and says something like “its vital"
(Note I haven’t played mgs1 or 2 YET**)
Later he betrays his country and looses his patriotism (based on what ive heard)

3. The Old, Dead trees in the field of white living flowers
This is a Juxtaposition of living and dead: 1 must live, one must die

The field of flowers represents the cycle of life; the flowers die, and reseed in the same location. The Boss dies, and Naked Snake becomes Big Boss. "


4. Ocelot says: "what’s your name?" Then Jack says "Snake" Ocelot then says "NO we're men with names"

A major theme in the game is one of "what is a soldier" and should he/ she be patriotic or go with personal alliances?
This statement helps solidify that snake and Ocelot are people. It humanizes them.

Some other Themes and symbols: Some of these I came up with myself while some are from others.
This is by no means everything, but a lot

East vs. West (Over Arching Motif) Cold War

The Boss says: "I want to make the world whole again. The world Use to be whole. The world was torn apart"
Flower pedals are falling in the back ground. They are Pieces of a flower. Flower pedals are symbolic of the parts of the world... The world torn apart. Just as the world is torn apart, so are the flowers.


La li Lu le lo: symbolizes control of information (probably mainly a theme in MGS2, which I haven’t played yet) (wiki source)

Virtuous Mission (The title of the mission that precedes the main game) Naked Snake mentions it just after he deploys. Additionally, when he encounters Boss, she says "This isn’t America you don't have to be virtuous here." The mission was really a virtuous mission: a quest to save a betrayed scientist.

Boss' Sons: they COULD be viewed as symbolizing snake's emotions and the emotions that war brings about. They also show The Boss' feminism in the she mothered them. From MGS: the unofficial site as well as popmatters.com (Christopher Willings and Christopher Williams)

The Boss C- section scar: Following quote From popmatters.com: “reveals her biological "female-ness" through her exposed breasts and her biological mother ness through a long jagged scar, evidence of a battlefield c- section when she had to give up a child and seemingly with it her female-ness to be a soldier"

The scar is in the shape of a snake across her abdomen. It turns into a snake and slithers off of her body: This could symbolize several things:

a. It could symbolize that Snake no longer needs his mentor. This is corroborated with The boss' statements just before the final battle in which she says (paraphrased)"I've raised you, loved you, given you weapons taught you techniques, endowed you with knowledge. There is nothing more for me to give you. All that’s left for you to take is my life by your own hand."

b. IT could symbolize that through her (the Boss') death, she is at peace: The Pain and sin of the world is gone. She no longer has to deal with abuse, betrayal, and the world's problems

The Boss' Gun: The Patriot. She was the Greatest Patriot. She gave her life for her country realizing that she would receive no credit for her actions and that she would actually be hated for them.

Field of flowers:/ flower pedals falling from the sky: Could be seen as showing life's fragility. The fact that the flowers are white symbolizes her Purity and LACK of Mal-intent. The fact that the battle takes place in a field of white flowers could also foreshadow her Emotion: that she doesn’t hold any anger or hatred against snake; that she had GOOD INTENT in her battle

Flower pedals falling from the sky, blowing in the wind: The Boss said "the foibles of Politics and the march of time can turn friends into enemies just as easily as the wind changes. Yesterdays ally = today’s opposition." The Flower pedals falling to the ground are fluttering around in the wind and are symbolic of how easily friends can become enemies and vice versa. (The Boss also holds one in her hand as she points this out. Then the Camera pans to the flower pedals blowing in the wind)

The Black Cloak that The Boss usually wears could be seen as symbolic of cloaking her true intentions. Cloaking her purity (the Black Cloak Hides a white suit. Similarly an evil, traitorous guise hides her pure, patriotic intent)

The White suit that she reveals in the final battle is also symbolic/ foreshadowing her purity.

When the flowers turn Crimson/ Red, they symbolize snake's sorrow, as well as what Boss Did for her country. She gave her life for her county. She poured out her blood four her country. There IMHO could even be comparisons made to what she did and what Jesus did (Both made the ultimate sacrifice for their people) (Later on, other Biblical references and comparisons are made.

When Snake is holding on to one last crimson pedal and then lets it fly away: IT COULD be seen as him letting go of his sorrow.

MGS: MEME (1) GENE (2) SCENE (3) Sense (4) FROM http://www.metalgearsolid.org/show_features.php?id=1382

Also from this link: "The overall theme of Metal Gear Solid is not a statement, it is a question. That being: What makes us who we are? Memes, Genes, Scene, and Sense are all factors that work in different ways to make us who and what we are. But which of these is the most important? That is the other question and possibly the greater question."


Snake Eater: Naked Snake is literally Eating (defeating) the COBRA UNIT. The Cobra unit is the explicit antagonist in the game.

The following quote is From MGS: the unofficial fan site: “After defeating the Fury, Snake Eater's Symbolism comes into play. The power of The Furies anger manifests its self in a flaming head that makes a last ditch attempt at killing naked snake. Prior to this The Fury exhibits no supernatural abilities. Nothing that connects him to the ability to explode into a flaming ball of well, fury. The player is left wondering how these things are possible, but strangely Big Boss is not."

Later in the game it mentions that "Scholars say the 1st spy was a snake in the Garden of Eden....." That the first spy in history was the Evil Snake.

Because Hideo names his Main Character as Snake, could this be interpreted to mean that spying/ espionage is evil? There is a definite connection here. However, it may have been used to create the irony of Eva Tempting Naked Snake. IN the Bible The Snake Tempted Eve. This is clearly an ironic reversal of the roles, and thus intentional
 
LordAzrael said:
I think you're looking too hard for some of this stuff.

Err, yeah. Not much to say other than this.

EDIT: Some of your "symbols" are definitely a stretch. You could do the same with almost any game and just BS your own meanings.

For example, Mario's choice of blue overalls represent the sorrow and longing he feels for Princess Peach. Mushrooms are a means of escape outside of his day to day life as a plumber. So on and so forth.

EDIT 2: And "female-ness," really?
 
Ermm....yeah...
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LordAzrael said:
I think you're looking too hard for some of this stuff.

Some of the stuf That I used was quoted from Literature professors who analyzed the game (Feminin- ness IM talking about you)

I citied things I took from other cources....
 
liquidspeed said:
Some of the stuf That I used was quoted from Literature professors who analyzed the game (Feminin- ness IM talking about you)

I citied things I took from other cources....

Maybe you should take a few more English and Literature classes and brush up on your spelling. Or, you know, preview the post?

And by the way, Lit professors have an unfortunate tendency to severely over analyze anything they get their hands on. Half the shit teachers and professors claim to be allusions or symbols are just there by accident and would probably surprise the writer or creator if you mentioned them.
 
Lately I have become kinda obsessed with the MGS storyline, and have been playing all the MGS to get ready for MGS4. I appreciate this thread. Thanks.
 
LordAzrael said:
Maybe you should take a few more English and Literature classes and brush up on your spelling. Or, you know, preview the post?

And by the way, Lit professors have an unfortunate tendency to severely over analyze anything they get their hands on. Half the shit teachers and professors claim to be allusions or symbols are just there by accident and would probably surprise the writer or creator if you mentioned them.
:lol

Anyway. Sorry about any syntax errors in the OP. Ill go edit it later. Im going on 3 hours of sleep right now..... (/ goes to sleep)
 
LordAzrael said:
And by the way, Lit professors have an unfortunate tendency to severely over analyze anything they get their hands on. Half the shit teachers and professors claim to be allusions or symbols are just there by accident and would probably surprise the writer or creator if you mentioned them.

Fuck, that was quick. Usually takes 2-3 pages for this sort of thing to turn up.
 
http://boards.1up.com/zd/board/message?board.id=games&message.id=411789&query.id=50902#M411789

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Laughing Octopus: The octopus is among creatures the very most intelligence with reasoning akin to highest order vertebrates. This, its mind, is wherein its true lethality lay, more so than even its tentacles which are merely and remotely the physical manifestation of its cerebral flexibility. This secret is why the Octopus laughs and laughs last at those who would underestimate her innate prowess extraordinary. This means that her battle will be the series utmost challenge but maybe not in reflex terms but where reasoning and logic apply.

Raging Raven: Kojima-domo's sophisticated word games here homagify such historic precendance as http://images.funagain.com/cover/huge/01604.jpg . Although known for deception and double deception, the chance exists as always that Raging Raven is simply as his name says. I will speculate however that Snake will require composure to defeat this foe.

Crying Wolf: I almost do not wish to reveal the supterfuege concealed in this one, but I also want to be on the record as the one who analyzed it well before my fellow gaming compatriots (or 1UP Yours members!). Think of fables and know that Crying Wolf is a master of deception like no one other. Maybe he was called Gynocomastic Chameleon until Kojima-domo decided this superior nomenclature.

more to come

~Fenster Mayhew
 
Labombadog said:
Lately I have become kinda obsessed with the MGS storyline, and have been playing all the MGS to get ready for MGS4. I appreciate this thread. Thanks.

Finally, someone appreciates it LOL...
 
Looks to me like Fenster had some true heart to heart time with Kojima.

Hey Shawn, you studied English and literature in grad school. Whats your take on all this symbolism and allusions bullshit? Is it true that my English professors make up some of that stuff?
 
LordAzrael said:
Looks to me like Fenster had some true heart to heart time with Kojima.

Hey Shawn, you studied English and literature in grad school. Whats your take on all this symbolism and allusions bullshit? Is it true that my English professors make up some of that stuff?

Of course. Half of lit crit is absolute nonsense. Run at the first mention of Freud.
 
Mr.City said:
You know, you were the first person to pop into my head as soon as I saw this thread. How does it feel to be associated with this genre of bullshit?

Dude, I fucking predicted the future. With jokes. I'm feeling pretty giddy at the moment, actually.
 
I'm sorry, but this

Symbolism in MEtal Gear (Spoilers)

1 Horse( in the feild of flowers after Boss is killed): not sure what it symbolizes, but IM pretty sure its significant

made me "lol".
 
liquidspeed said:
1 Horse( in the feild of flowers after Boss is killed): not sure what it symbolizes, but IM pretty sure its significant

:lol :lol :lol

Edit: Meat Beated
 
liquidspeed said:
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why because I made a spelling error?

....if you can't come up with a significant reason beyond "I'm pretty sure it's significant for some reason".....don't mention it until you've got something more concrete.
 
Metroidvania said:
....if you can't come up with a significant reason beyond "I'm pretty sure it's significant for some reason".....don't mention it until you've got something more concrete.

At boardsus someone else explained it: " The breed of the horse is an Andalusian Horse. Because it is white, and the field of flowers are white, it represents purity.

3. You're on the spot on this point. The field of flowers represents the cycle of life, the flowers die, and reseed in the same location. The Boss dies, and Naked Snake becomes Big Boss. "
 
Or you know that white field of flowers provided perfect camouflage for the Boss' white suit. Its not like she picked the place just because it looks nice.
 
Lostconfused said:
Or you know that white field of flowers provided perfect camouflage for the Boss' white suit. Its not like she picked the place just because it looks nice.

A single device can have multiple meanings and PURPOSES
 
liquidspeed said:
At boardsus someone else explained it: " The breed of the horse is an Andalusian Horse. Because it is white, and the field of flowers are white, it represents purity.

See, if the OP had posted that, I would have been as satisfied then as I am now.
 
perhaps solid snake represents link, liquid snake represents ganondorf, solidus snake represents zelda, and big boss represents the triforce

and it all represents the holy trinity





and the time cube
 
liquidspeed said:
A single device can have multiple meanings and PURPOSES
Do i have to come up with more BS? Anywho i am too lazy for this but lets see, big boss, mother, lost her child, or whatever. Or wait wait, better yet. A cesarean scar. Wait, i forgot, isn' Big Boss her son? I was starting to draw allusions and silly junk like that, thats way to much effort.
 
Metroidvania said:
See, if the OP had posted that, I would have been as satisfied then as I am now.

I edited the op to include the info now....

IM also going to try to muster the strength to clean up some of the typos in a sec...
 
TheGreatDave said:
Yeah. Just ask yourself: what does Psycho Mantis MEAN, and how does it differ from how the words make you FEEL?
The left controller port on the PS1 (Port 1) represented the left side of the brain, which Mantis could read as a telepath. Lacking "tele-empathy", however, he was unable to read the right, emotional side of the brain (the right controller port, Port 2).

Seriously.
 
Lostconfused said:
Do i have to come up with more BS? Anywho i am too lazy for this but lets see, big boss, mother, lost her child, or whatever. Or wait wait, better yet. A cesarean scar. Wait, i forgot, isn' Big Boss her son? I was starting to draw allusions and silly junk like that, thats way to much effort.

LOL
BIG BOSS was HER PROVERBIAL SON. NOT Her son in Actuality


I believe Ocelot was Her Real SON. ( I may be mistaken as I havent played much of MGS1 or 2... IM working on that right now, but its going slow due to extencive homwork most nights (gotta love Calculus)).
 
liquidspeed said:
LOL
BIG BOSS was HER PROVERBIAL SON. NOT Her son in Actuality


I believe OSCOLOT was Her Real SON. ( I may be mistaken as I havent played much of MGS1 or 2... IM working on that right now, but its going slow due to extencive homwork most nights (gotta love Calculus)).

Actually i believe the comments were along the lines of that he is the son of Boss and Sorrow.

BanGy.nz said:
Crushed, you might want to stop that before you blow his mind.
Oh common, you have to admit tele-empathy was a good one, shit some one might actually start using that phrase.
 
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