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"What does a Leader of a debt-free nation do, when the Illuminati and their New World Order plans come after him.. When every Arab leader sells their soul to the Anglo Empire and turns on him.. When the Masonic owned media fabricate lie after lie after lie about him.. He has been the peacekeeper for a decade.. The reformer for a decade.. This softly spoken, eye doctor, who studied in London and was... never meant to assume office until the Illuminati murdered his older brother has a challenge ahead of him.. He has the support of majority of his people REGARDLESS of what Western media try to portray.. He has the support of the Russians, the Iranians and the Chinese who are well aware of the New World Order corrupt plans.. Bashar Al-Assad, we salute you.. for you are facing a strong battle, and should you succeed, we will call you.. The Man Who Defeated The Illuminati..xx"

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From Facebook:

"What does a Leader of a debt-free nation do, when the Illuminati and their New World Order plans come after him.. When every Arab leader sells their soul to the Anglo Empire and turns on him.. When the Masonic owned media fabricate lie after lie after lie about him.. He has been the peacekeeper for a decade.. The reformer for a decade.. This softly spoken, eye doctor, who studied in London and was... never meant to assume office until the Illuminati murdered his older brother has a challenge ahead of him.. He has the support of majority of his people REGARDLESS of what Western media try to portray.. He has the support of the Russians, the Iranians and the Chinese who are well aware of the New World Order corrupt plans.. Bashar Al-Assad, we salute you.. for you are facing a strong battle, and should you succeed, we will call you.. The Man Who Defeated The Illuminati..xx"

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Fucking piece of shit
 
All this hate against Bashar Al-Assad is pointless, as if he's the problem. People just want someone to blame/hate I guess.

Horrible situation here, but the way it's being reported sometimes makes me cringe.
 
Sentry said:
All this hate against Bashar Al-Assad is pointless, as if he's the problem. People just want someone to blame/hate I guess.

Horrible situation here, but the way it's being reported sometimes makes me cringe.
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I'd like to here more reports from Syria myself. There have been talks of over-exaggeration by western media.
 
I don't want everyone to come down on me as some pro-this pro-that crazed individual who can't see the facts, but here in syria things are not nearly as insane as it's being reported to be. There are a lot of problems, yes, but as widespread as it's made out to be? No. The next misconception is who's doing what. There are plenty of pro-president people here (majority of the country i'd say) who I wouldn't put it past to commit violent acts independently at protests etc. Other aspect is rouge government workers getting involved. Another reality are 'terrorists' or rebels with guns smuggled into the country stirring up shit.

I'm not driving all over the country but I have yet to see any protests personally, or no anyone who has seen anything beyond a few dozen people against gov corruption (not against the president). In fact the only thing I have seen was a big general party type event in bohsa (tech central city basically) many youngsters and the like parading the streets with syrian flags, face paintings, etc. Felt like this hippie love fest vibe tbh.

Most of the military i've encountered when driving an getting to checkpoints (they check your id now) have been nice actually.

I can't comment conclusively and I don't want to get into arguments here, but i'm just telling it as I see it. There are many issues with this country, but the fuckery going on now comes from many sides, but much of the media paints it with a generic 'uprising' brush. The official news stations also spout a lot of bs (which is common knowledge to most young viewers) that is pro-everythingisalright.

I feel like a lot of manipulation is going on from more than one side, but all this 'down with the regime' and shit, esp. against the president, is almost laughable. The government here needs work, sure, but it's not such an organized hierarchal structure to even label it a regime or a dictatorship.
 
Sentry said:
I don't want everyone to come down on me as some pro-this pro-that crazed individual who can't see the facts, but here in syria things are not nearly as insane as it's being reported to be. There are a lot of problems, yes, but as widespread as it's made out to be? No. The next misconception is who's doing what. There are plenty of pro-president people here (majority of the country i'd say) who I wouldn't put it past to commit violent acts independently at protests etc. Other aspect is rouge government workers getting involved. Another reality are 'terrorists' or rebels with guns smuggled into the country stirring up shit.

I'm not driving all over the country but I have yet to see any protests personally, or no anyone who has seen anything beyond a few dozen people against gov corruption (not against the president). In fact the only thing I have seen was a big general party type event in bohsa (tech central city basically) many youngsters and the like parading the streets with syrian flags, face paintings, etc. Felt like this hippie love fest vibe tbh.

Most of the military i've encountered when driving an getting to checkpoints (they check your id now) have been nice actually.

I can't comment conclusively and I don't want to get into arguments here, but i'm just telling it as I see it. There are many issues with this country, but the fuckery going on now comes from many sides, but much of the media paints it with a generic 'uprising' brush. The official news stations also spout a lot of bs (which is common knowledge to most young viewers) that is pro-everythingisalright.

I feel like a lot of manipulation is going on from more than one side, but all this 'down with the regime' and shit, esp. against the president, is almost laughable. The government here needs work, sure, but it's not such an organized hierarchal structure to even label it a regime or a dictatorship.
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lol...The Assad family has been in power for over 41 years. Yeah sure, that doesn't sound like a dictatorship. Numerous independent sources have confirmed deaths in the 1000s.
 
Sentry said:
I don't want everyone to come down on me as some pro-this pro-that crazed individual who can't see the facts, but here in syria things are not nearly as insane as it's being reported to be. There are a lot of problems, yes, but as widespread as it's made out to be? No. The next misconception is who's doing what. There are plenty of pro-president people here (majority of the country i'd say) who I wouldn't put it past to commit violent acts independently at protests etc. Other aspect is rouge government workers getting involved. Another reality are 'terrorists' or rebels with guns smuggled into the country stirring up shit.

I'm not driving all over the country but I have yet to see any protests personally, or no anyone who has seen anything beyond a few dozen people against gov corruption (not against the president). In fact the only thing I have seen was a big general party type event in bohsa (tech central city basically) many youngsters and the like parading the streets with syrian flags, face paintings, etc. Felt like this hippie love fest vibe tbh.

Most of the military i've encountered when driving an getting to checkpoints (they check your id now) have been nice actually.

I can't comment conclusively and I don't want to get into arguments here, but i'm just telling it as I see it. There are many issues with this country, but the fuckery going on now comes from many sides, but much of the media paints it with a generic 'uprising' brush. The official news stations also spout a lot of bs (which is common knowledge to most young viewers) that is pro-everythingisalright.

I feel like a lot of manipulation is going on from more than one side, but all this 'down with the regime' and shit, esp. against the president, is almost laughable. The government here needs work, sure, but it's not such an organized hierarchal structure to even label it a regime or a dictatorship.
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what government official took over your account today?
 
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/11/us-syria-idUSTRE7B90F520111211

Hundreds of army defectors in southern Syria fought tank backed loyalist forces on Sunday in one of the biggest armed confrontations in a nine-month uprising against President Bashar al-Assad, residents and activists said.

Troops, mainly from the 12th Armoured Brigade, based in Isra, 40-km (25 miles) from the border with Jordan, stormed the nearby town of Busra al-Harir. The sound of explosions and heavy machineguns was heard in Busra al-Harir and in Lujah, an area of rocky hills north of the town, where defectors have been hiding and attacking military supply lines, they said.
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Violence near Damascus

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16130920

At least 18 people are reported to have died in clashes in Syria as opposition activists called a general strike.

11 of the deaths were in the cities of Homs and Hama, the opposition Local Co-ordination Committees (LCC) said.

Two people also died in clashes between troops and deserters in the northern Idlib province, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported.

Authorities in Idlib confronted members of "an armed terrorist group", said Syrian state news agency SANA.

The UN estimates more than 4,000 people have died in the nine-month uprising, including 307 children.

Syria severely restricts access to foreign media so reports of unrest cannot be verified.

The LCC said the casualties it had recorded on Sunday included two children.

There were also reports of clashes between defectors and troops in the south, near the border with Jordan.

In Jordan itself, protests at the Syrian embassy in the capital Amman turned violent for the first time.

The embassy said protesters stormed the building and attacked staff, but the brother of one of the protesters told the BBC that they were assaulted when they went into the embassy wearing opposition flags.


Heavy machine-gun fire was heard and two armoured carriers were burned in pre-dawn clashes in Kfar Takharim town in Idlib province, the British-based Syrian Observatory of Human Rights said.

Reuters news agency quoted residents and activists as saying army defectors had also clashed with loyalist forces backed by tanks in the town of Busra al-Harir, not far from the border with Jordan.

The Observatory said that a general strike called by opposition activists was being "very widely observed" in southern Syria's Daraa province on Sunday, the start of the working week.

And schoolchildren and civil servants stayed at home in some parts of Damascus, although central districts opened as normal, the activist group said.

The LCC said the strike was being well observed by students at Aleppo University and by residents of the town of Douma near Damascus, where it said casualties had been reported.

However, shopkeepers who kept the shutters down in Idlib province had their property burned by troops who issued a warning via loudspeakers from a nearby mosque, the LCC said.

Syrian President Bashar al-Assad is under international pressure to end the continuing crackdown on anti-government protesters.

The Arab League is reported to be holding two emergency meetings in the coming days, to discuss Damascus's response to the League's plan to send in monitors.

Last month the League suspended Syria's membership in protest at the continuing crackdown and also imposed economic sanctions.
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Baki said:
lol...The Assad family has been in power for over 41 years. Yeah sure, that doesn't sound like a dictatorship. Numerous independent sources have confirmed deaths in the 1000s.
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As if that means it's a dictatorship? As if other 'figures' have taken political roles to become president?

It's more like a socialist country if anything, but really the structure is so rudimentary it's hard to consider it a dictatorship as if one person is sucking up all the power or something.

As for the deaths, yes many have been confirmed, but by whom? I'm sure there are secret government agencies responsible in part for certain acts, but a lot of it is external and self-prohizising if you get me.
 
I wasn't denying the deaths, or by who they have been confirmed by. What I meant with 'by whom' is who is doing the killing exactly.
 
Sentry said:
As if that means it's a dictatorship? As if other 'figures' have taken political roles to become president?
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I'm sorry, are you actually debating whether Syria is a dictatorship? Really? Of course it is.

I mean I could see someone arguing that Russia wasn't, that Putin gets elected and that the scamming and political violence there doesn't change things... but Syria?

Hilarious.
 
Sir Fragula said:
I'm sorry, are you actually debating whether Syria is a dictatorship? Really? Of course it is.

I mean I could see someone arguing that Russia wasn't, that Putin gets elected and that the scamming and political violence there doesn't change things... but Syria?

Hilarious.
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I suppose you may be right, but personally, I see it as a dictatorship needing someone to be a dictator, which I just don't see in the president here.

People here love the guy, rightly or wrongly, unlike the love publicly/hate in secret situation that was in Egypt (where I lived for the better part of a year).
 
Sentry said:
I suppose you may be right, but personally, I see it as a dictatorship needing someone to be a dictator, which I just don't see in the president here.

People here love the guy, rightly or wrongly, unlike the love publicly/hate in secret situation that was in Egypt (where I lived for the better part of a year).
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And people loved Stalin, but he was still a dictator. I'm sure Assad has some support from some quarters, but let's not pretend that he's something he's not. He's a dictator who rules through force of arms rather than popular support.
 
Sentry said:
People here love the guy, rightly or wrongly, unlike the love publicly/hate in secret situation that was in Egypt (where I lived for the better part of a year).
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It doesn't matter how much a particular group of people love a dictator to death. I'm pretty sure every dictator worth his salt had a fanbase. That doesn't absolve them from the crimes they committed.
 
RustyNails said:
That's the point. Every dictator will have his supporters, the revolutionaries or the party members. Think of the worst dictator in modern history and there will be some misguided fools who think he's defending the country or something.
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RustyNails said:
That's the point. Every dictator will have his supporters, the revolutionaries or the party members. Think of the worst dictator in modern history and there will be some misguided fools who think he's defending the country or something.
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I mean, maybe not every dictator is a bastard? The tyrants from ancient greece, most of the time were good politicians and good with the people. We can't judge Sentry like this, he lives there, maybe he has some kind of point after all.
 
CHEEZMO™;33403849 said:
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Lol excellent post. I still don't understand why King Abdullah ibn Saud isn't on there. Maybe they think it's going a bit too far drawing the 'custodian of two holy mosques' in a negative light?
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Sir Fragula said:
And people loved Stalin, but he was still a dictator. I'm sure Assad has some support from some quarters, but let's not pretend that he's something he's not. He's a dictator who rules through force of arms rather than popular support.
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That's where you're wrong, but whatever I won't argue with you as if you know more than me about the way people in this country view the system.

I'd say right now 80-90% of the country are total supporters of the president, and this includes people who are still anti-government. He doesn't force anyone to like him, people just do (rightly or not).
 
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2011/12/2011121415429686966.html

At least thirteen people have been killed in Syria's Hama province after troops fired on a car and provoked a reprisal ambush, activists said, in the latest bloodshed in a nine-month-old uprising against President Bashar al-Assad.

Wednesday was the second day in a row in which an attack by government forces on civilians appears to have brought a quick and deadly act of revenge by anti-government fighters.

The British-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said army deserters ambushed a convoy of four military jeeps, killing at least eight soldiers, in response to the army attack on a car, which left five people dead.

The vehicle "exploded in a ball of fire", Rami Abdul-Rahman, the director of the Syrian Observatory, said.

Hours later, he said, gunmen ambushed a convoy of four military jeeps passing through the nearby village of al-Asharna on the northern outskirts of the city of Hama, spraying it with bullets.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the ambush, but the Free Syrian Army, a Turkish-based defector group, has in the past claimed similar attacks across the country.

"The area where the attack took place has seen the defection of several soldiers from the regular army," Abdul-Rahman told Al Jazeera.

Abdul-Rahman added that "three [army] defectors were wounded" in the village of Lujat during clashes with regular troops in the southern province of Deraa.

"Heavy gunfire was heard in the town of Hirak", which came under assault by military forces backed by tanks and troop carriers, he added.

The Local Co-ordination Committees (LCC) activist network said two people were killed in the province on Wednesday.
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In other parts of Syria, LCC reported that at least five people were killed in the central city of Homs, two in the capital Damascus and one in the northeastern province in Qamishli.

The group also reported that several people were wounded in the Damascus suburb of Al Zabadany in what it believed to be clashes between regular army soldiers and army deserters.

Sounds of explosions and heavy gun fire across the town were reported.

Meanwhile, on the borders with neighbouring Lebanon, two people were wounded when a Syrian military patrol entered Lebanese territory and opened fire on a border town, a local official said.

"Syrian troops entered Lebanese territory today and opened fire on the village of Khirbat Daoud in Aarsal," Bakr Hujairi of the municipality of Aarsal, said.
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More in the link.
 
The British-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights
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That very dubious and unique source of "information" that want to stay annonymous ?
They mostlty told lies up to now.And very polarized ones.
 
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2011/12/2011121911942857586.html

Damascus agrees to an initiative to end its deadly crackdown on anti-government protesters and free political prisoners.

Syria has agreed to allow an Arab observer mission into the country, ending weeks of prevarication that had prompted the Arab League to adopt sanctions over the government's crackdown on protests.

Faisal al-Maqdad, Syria's deputy foreign minister, and Ahmed Ben Helli, the Arab League assistant secretary-general, signed the document at the League headquarters in the Egyptian capital, Cairo, on Monday.

Speaking at a news conference in Damascus, Walid Muallem, the Syrian foreign minister, said that Syria had only signed up to the deal after making sure it did not infringe on his country's sovereignty.

He said the deal was for an initial period of one month, renewable with the agreement of both sides.

"Signing the protocol is the start of co-operation with the Arab League and we will welcome the observers' mission from the Arab League," he said.

"Sovereignty is protected in the text of the protocol," he added.

"Article eight of the Arab League charter protects existing structures and bans countries from interfering... In this protocol we are talking about protecting civilians from terrorist groups."

Syria has consistently rejected the view of Western governments and human rights groups that the protests in the country have been overwhelmingly peaceful, insisting that they are the work of armed groups.
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Much more in the link.
 
I just read on Spiegel that the regime shot about 100 people today who where supposed to be deserters. According to some guesses almost 5000 civilians have been killed since March.

Then I read that the United Nations want to send in observers to Syria.
WTF is this shit? Observers? For what? Observing how many other civilians will be killed?

Why has Assad and his asshole family/regime not been bombed to hell already?

An English source by BBC:

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said at least 100 deserters were killed or wounded as troops besieged two villages in the province of Idlib.

Dozens of civilians are trapped in the villages in the Jabal al-Zawiya area.

On Monday, activists said more than 70 soldiers were shot dead after deserting their positions in Idlib. The claims have not been independently verified.

At least forty civilians were reportedly killed nationwide on Monday.

The UN says more than 5,000 people have been killed across Syria since protests against President Bashar al-Assad erupted in March.

Damascus says it is fighting "armed terrorist gangs", who want to destabilise the country.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16274529
 
Patrick Bateman said:
I just read on Spiegel that the regime shot about 100 people today who where supposed to be deserters. According to some guesses almost 5000 civilians have been killed since March.

Then I read that the United Nations want to send in observers to Syria.
WTF is this shit? Observers? For what? Observing how many other civilians will be killed?

Why has Assad and his asshole family/regime not been bombed to hell already?

An English source by BBC:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16274529
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Because America are really the bad guys and those deserters were really western paid spys trying to murder and drink the blood of the innocent Syrian children.
 
Patrick Bateman said:
I just read on Spiegel that the regime shot about 100 people today who where supposed to be deserters. According to some guesses almost 5000 civilians have been killed since March.

Then I read that the United Nations want to send in observers to Syria.
WTF is this shit? Observers? For what? Observing how many other civilians will be killed?

Why has Assad and his asshole family/regime not been bombed to hell already?

An English source by BBC:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16274529
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The question is who would step up to replace the old regime? Somebody that everybody is happy with?

That's one problem, plus the whole Sunni / Shia thing which explains why Syria's neighbors care about their brutality but turned a blind eye or even helped Bahrain get rid of their protesters.

As far as I can see, the majority of the country is still in favor of keeping the current government which happens to be extremely brutal and a lot of neighbors are trying to exert their influence for various political / religious reasons. It makes it harder to justify going in like with Libya where it was a crazy dictator that everybody was happy to see gone.
 
Assad losing control as 10,000 soldiers desert Syrian military

More than 10,000 soldiers have deserted the Syrian army, sources say, with as many as half the conscripts not reporting in the last three call-ups.

According to Western intelligence agencies, even though the top brass is still loyal to President Bashar Assad, lower-level officers are deserting in large numbers, and in some cases, whole units have deserted en masse.

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http://www.haaretz.com/print-editio...-000-soldiers-desert-syrian-military-1.402625



Well, I don't know of true it is, because of the source.
 
I saw on CNN this morning that the Syrian army has executed some soldier for deserting according to reports. This is unconfirmed news reports coming from Syrian civilians.
 
The signal to noise ratio is really awfull on this subject.

the syrian observatory for human rights is propaganda against the regime.Don't get abused by their name.

At least Stratfor did its homework , extensively for those who can afford the fee to get access to their full articles.

For those who won't :

http://mideastshuffle.com/2011/12/20/stratfor-challenges-narratives-on-syria/#more-407

The terrific irony of these last middleast uprising (at least in lybya and now syria ) is the extensive use of local terrorism and radical islamists by nato to get the regime change they want (in trade of some privatisation, rebuilding contrats and military bases ).

Yeah , even qaeda connected islmaic terrorism such as Abdelhakim Belhaj (basically al qaeda in lybya , now military governor of Tripoli) ,apprently leading some 1500 men forces into syria ,now that lybya is secured...
 
filopilo said:
The signal to noise ratio is really awfull on this subject.

the syrian observatory for human rights is propaganda against the regime.Don't get abused by their name.

At least Stratfor did its homework , extensively for those who can afford the fee to get access to their full articles.

For those who won't :

http://mideastshuffle.com/2011/12/20/stratfor-challenges-narratives-on-syria/#more-407

The terrific irony of these last middleast uprising (at least in lybya and now syria ) is the extensive use of local terrorism and radical islamists by nato to get the regime change they want (in trade of some privatisation, rebuilding contrats and military bases ).

Yeah , even qaeda connected islmaic terrorism such as Abdelhakim Belhaj (basically al qaeda in lybya , now military governor of Tripoli) ,apprently leading some 1500 men forces into syria ,now that lybya is secured...
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you can't even spell half of the relevant topics in this thread correctly, why would you expect people to believe unfounded claims like nato is using terrorists at all.
 
mr. puppy said:
you can't even spell half of the relevant topics in this thread correctly, why would you expect people to believe unfounded claims like nato is using terrorists at all.
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Abdelhakim Belhaj beeing in Syria has been proven already, same with Mahdi Al-Harati.

As for foreign interference in Syria, to doubt it at this point is beeing delusional.
 
This is getting really bad

(CNN) -- Syria's major opposition group condemned Bashar al-Assad's regime Wednesday for "brutal massacres" this week and urged the U.N. Security Council to protect civilians against "acts of genocide."

"The regime is using children as human shields so that tanks and armored vehicles can storm residential areas," said the Syrian National Council, which said that about 250 people have died over a 48-hour period.

"Incidents of gruesome murders have been recorded," the council said Wednesday, including the killings of four brothers and the beheading of a sheikh, whose head was hung above a mosque entrance. Both incidents occurred in Idlib, and the council says "acts of genocide" are occurring in Zawiyah Mountain in Idlib province in the northwest and the city of Homs in the west.

It cites "the regime's use of heavy weapons and artillery in shelling civilian neighborhoods, as was the case in the Baba Amr neighborhood of Homs, as well as in the villages of Kansafra, Kafar Awaid, and Mazrain, where a large number of residents were killed. Other residents were forced to flee under heavy gunfire," the council said. The villages are in Idlib province.

The violence spiked as Syria agreed to an Arab League observer mission Monday aimed at ending the violence between regime forces and protesters that started in mid-March. The United Nations this month estimated that about 5,000 people have died in the bloodshed.
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