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System Shock: Enhanced Edition now out on GOG.com

Isn't the 'paid' thing primarily for the base game? SS1 comes with the original game, so you can always get the mods and patch it onto that if you don't want to play the patched one.

The game comes with these free mods, and even though you have the option to not play without them, they are a part of what you pay Night Dive for.
 
Steam release "in the near future" according to Nightdive on Facebook.

Makes me wonder if they didn't pull a ss2 and steal free mods made by the community and repack it for cheap profit.
The mods are certainly not "stolen", there's even an announcement on SystemShock.org with a key giveaway with details on the Enhanced Edition: https://www.systemshock.org/index.php?topic=8030.msg91339 They've also pulled their System Shock Portable download by Nightdive's request at an earlier point.

If you consider steam drm for forcing you to log into an account to make a purchase and download a drm free game then gog too is drm.
Most Steam downloads are platform restricted while GOG downloads are not. GOG installers can even be extracted on any platform.
 
Steam is DRM

Steam can be DRM. It's optional, even for games that use Steamworks. E.g.:

pillars_drmfree3jpjf.jpg
 
Regardless of the fact that Night Dive's using System Shock Portable (with due credit), the extras are definitely worth getting this at 40%-off. Game has a great soundtrack and I bet this package will really help folks understand how innovative and creative Looking Glass was back in 1994. I saw Night Dive's Twitter hints and didn't think much of it knowing this game's been wrapped in limbo for years now, but holy shit I'm excited they finally got it back into official circulation.
 
Steam release "in the near future" according to Nightdive on Facebook.


The mods are certainly not "stolen", there's even an announcement on SystemShock.org with a key giveaway with details on the Enhanced Edition: https://www.systemshock.org/index.php?topic=8030.msg91339 They've also pulled their System Shock Portable download by Nightdive's request at an earlier point.


Most Steam downloads are platform restricted while GOG downloads are not. GOG installers can even be extracted on any platform.

1. That's good to hear that they worked with the community this time. Will buy!

2. By that logic, every game that's ever shipped on physical media has drm because you have to install it from the disc instead of having an installer be hypnotically transfered to your hard drive.
 
They most certainly do. I just went on there and they seem to be hosting MAME roms. In the case of System Shock I would argue that "abandonware" has always been a pretty nebulous concept.

Maybe you're right, but I wonder why it's still there. Is it still owned by EA?

They do. Most companies just don't seem to care.

I'd think EA out of all companies would. Especially if it's linked in the game's Wikipedia page.
 
I always thought the original was better than the sequel. I hope a ton of people try it out and agree. Top game of all time.
 
Other than the bugfixes, nothing there is really new...

Mouselook mod is pretty old, and I'm pretty sure the game shipped with the ability to run at a res like that. You could always change the controls iirc.

The bug fixes, depending on what they are, seeme to me to be the only new thing they added over Portable...

Except, you know, getting the rights to the game and releasing a legitimate digital version. No biggie.
 
That's nice to hear... played both SS games a few years ago, but I may do a replay soon. Nice to know I can get the original hassle free without having to tinker with DOSBOX myself, like the last time.
Can't say on this, but I certainly know they did with ss2, so it wouldn't surprise me if they did it again here.

I'm not buying it until the community gets a hold of it amd can confirm they didnt steal shit again. Im fine continuing to use portable considering I still have my physical copy of CDshock anyways.
Can you present some solid evidence on that one?
"I certainly know" doesn't really cut it...
 
That's nice to hear... played both SS games a few years ago, but I may do a replay soon. Nice to know I can get the original hassle free without having to tinker with DOSBOX myself, like the last time.

Can you present some solid evidence on that one?
"I certainly know" doesn't really cut it...
Someone posted a link above that goes through the details, more or less.
Except, you know, getting the rights to the game and releasing a legitimate digital version. No biggie.

What does that have to do with them potentially stealing the work of others?

Just because they navigated the legal mess doesn't give them the right to take someone's work and distribute it as a paid product to incure profit for themselves.
 
What does that have to do with them potentially stealing the work of others?

Just because they navigated the legal mess doesn't give them the right to take someone's work and distribute it as a paid product to incure profit for themselves.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/09/16/how-gog-com-save-and-restore-classic-videogames/

There are a few games out there that are only playable with community-made fixes and patches nowadays. In several cases, we’ve been able to get in touch with mod creators to implement their select technical fixes into our releases. Whenever we do this, it’s a must for us to get in touch, get their permission first, and offer a token of appreciation as a thank you – and nearly everyone is just happy to help.

Do you have any proof that GOG stole the mods used in this release? I suspect not.
 
So your answer is "no".

So /your/ answer is no.

I already went through this discussion with another poster like 20 posts ago.I questioned whether or not they had taken mods without permission as they did in ss2, and said I would not buy it if that was the case. Another poster posted a link to the main ss community hub where they announced that night dive worked with the community on this one. I said all is good, and proceeded to buy the game.

Thus my only recourse with you is to indeed tell you to read the damned thread. It's like 60 posts long and will take you 5 mins.
 
Holy crap the game on gog comes with an original TV commercial that is so frikken hilariously bad. It's like an 80s parody. It even ends with an image from the wrong game (BioForge).

gog has the best digital addons
 
So /your/ answer is no.
Do you have any proof that GOG stole a mod for SS2 or any other release? I'm honestly curious. I did check the thread for this but I suppose I could have missed it.

I've seen claims like this before but the best I can find is that GOG removes the offending mods from their release if the author complains. Perhaps they were unable to contact the author prior to release?

I wouldn't put it past GOG to include free mods without permission but it seems like an unnecessary headache.

I mean, GOG often attempts to make their release compatible with existing mods. And if they aren't, the mod authors almost always release a GOG-compatible version shortly thereafter. GOG's forum mods typically sticky a thread pointing to the best compatible mods. Why bother risking the ire of the community with an unsanctioned release when this method already works so well? I doubt that GOG gets many sales from people who will ONLY buy if a widescreen mod is pre-patched.
 
There was an old fanmde repackage called System Shock Portable which I used many years ago to play SS1. I suspect many people won't even get an hour in. However, it's really surprising how ahead of its time it was.
 
Do you have any proof that GOG stole a mod for SS2 or any other release? I'm honestly curious. I did check the thread for this but I suppose I could have missed it.

I've seen claims like this before but the best I can find is that GOG removes the offending mods from their release if the author complains. Perhaps they were unable to contact the author prior to release?

I wouldn't put it past GOG to include free mods without permission but it seems like an unnecessary headache.

I mean, GOG often attempts to make their release compatible with existing mods. And if they aren't, the mod authors almost always release a GOG-compatible version shortly thereafter. GOG's forum mods typically sticky a thread pointing to the best compatible mods. Why bother risking the ire of the community with an unsanctioned release when this method already works so well? I doubt that GOG gets many sales from people who will ONLY buy if a widescreen mod is pre-patched.


There was a lot of hoopla about it back when they first put it out. I mean they had the main executable for ss2tool included in gog's 1.0 release of it. They ended up pulling out the main files and I think ended up apologizing for it, but the game itself still uses ss2tool stuff in order to work. You can probably dig up some old forum posts here, on gog's forum, someone already linked you to discussion of it on steamfourms, and on ttlg's fourms. The final of which are the one's responsible for distributing the ss2tool utility that allows the game to run on modern computers and have the various fixes it has.

As far as some news outlets, I doubt there's anything there because they dont really give a shit about a 15 year old game in this way other than to praise it for coming back out, so they probably never reported on it.
 
Yeah, I have no qualms with using other services if I have to, but being Night Dive-published, it's only a matter of weeks before the game appears on Steam. It'll likely be DRM-free, too (System Shock 2 is, and I would assume the same is true of Night Dive's other re-releases).

Yeah but I doubt the Steam release will include the original/non-Enhanced System Shock, right?
 
There was a lot of hoopla about it back when they first put it out. I mean they had the main executable for ss2tool included in gog's 1.0 release of it. They ended up pulling out the main files and I think ended up apologizing for it, but the game itself still uses ss2tool stuff in order to work. You can probably dig up some old forum posts here, on gog's forum, someone already linked you to discussion of it on steamfourms, and on ttlg's fourms. The final of which are the one's responsible for distributing the ss2tool utility that allows the game to run on modern computers and have the various fixes it has.

https://www.systemshock.org/index.php?&topic=7937.0

Posts #21 and #24

Sounds like it was more ND being at fault, than GOG. That said, I wonder if anything changed for the AvP Classic re-release on GOG (didn't that use someone's patch/updates without credit?).
 
Huge fan of SS2 here, how has the first game aged?

I tried to play it 10 years ago or so. I'd say: Badly. The original controls were pretty fucked up especially if you were used to System Shock 2's controls. Enhanced' "mouse look" should fix it, but I kinda doubt they stopped the movement/controls of the player from being awkward to use.
 
If you consider steam drm for forcing you to log into an account to make a purchase and download a drm free game then gog too is drm.

Logical fallacy. On GOG, I can log in once, download the game, put it somewhere and then install it on a different computer. On Steam, I can do that only with selected games, list of which is not officially exposed.
 
I think i would still prefer to play it with original graphics but with other enhancements enabled. Is this possible?
 
Logical fallacy. On GOG, I can log in once, download the game, put it somewhere and then install it on a different computer. On Steam, I can do that only with selected games, list of which is not officially exposed.
I don't think you understand what a logical fallacy is, considering you seem to be employing one right now.

Unless you have evidence otherwise, all of night dives other steam releases were in fact drm free (including system shock 2), leading to the high probability that this one will be as well.
 
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