Funyarinpa
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The game comes with these free mods, and even though you have the option to not play without them, they are a part of what you pay Night Dive for.
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System Shock: Enhanced Edition now out on GOG.com
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The game comes with these free mods, and even though you have the option to not play without them, they are a part of what you pay Night Dive for.
If you consider steam drm for forcing you to log into an account to make a purchase and download a drm free game then gog too is drm.
ShadowOwl
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Steam release "in the near future" according to Nightdive on Facebook.
The mods are certainly not "stolen", there's even an announcement on SystemShock.org with a key giveaway with details on the Enhanced Edition: https://www.systemshock.org/index.php?topic=8030.msg91339 They've also pulled their System Shock Portable download by Nightdive's request at an earlier point.
Most Steam downloads are platform restricted while GOG downloads are not. GOG installers can even be extracted on any platform.
The Spoony Hou
Member
In case you don't know, archive.org doesn't do piracy.
You can find a link to the download on the System Shock Wikipedia page.
Dragoon En Regalia
Member
Regardless of the fact that Night Dive's using System Shock Portable (with due credit), the extras are definitely worth getting this at 40%-off. Game has a great soundtrack and I bet this package will really help folks understand how innovative and creative Looking Glass was back in 1994. I saw Night Dive's Twitter hints and didn't think much of it knowing this game's been wrapped in limbo for years now, but holy shit I'm excited they finally got it back into official circulation.
1. That's good to hear that they worked with the community this time. Will buy!
2. By that logic, every game that's ever shipped on physical media has drm because you have to install it from the disc instead of having an installer be hypnotically transfered to your hard drive.
ShadowOwl
Member
Well, if you go that way, basically yes.
Lord British
Member
They most certainly do. I just went on there and they seem to be hosting MAME roms. In the case of System Shock I would argue that "abandonware" has always been a pretty nebulous concept.
ShadowOwl
Member
They do. Most companies just don't seem to care.
The Spoony Hou
Member
Maybe you're right, but I wonder why it's still there. Is it still owned by EA?
I'd think EA out of all companies would. Especially if it's linked in the game's Wikipedia page.
abracadaver
Member
Will the Steam version have achievements?
SkeptiMism
Member
Unfortunately that's very unlikely to happen. Nightdive looked into it a while ago, but it's in a license limbo.
Tizoc
Member
Except, you know, getting the rights to the game and releasing a legitimate digital version. No biggie.
Joseph Merrick
Member
best game ever, right behind terra nova. hehe.
don't care about mouselook though, love playing this with the weird mech controls.
don't care about mouselook though, love playing this with the weird mech controls.
That's nice to hear... played both SS games a few years ago, but I may do a replay soon. Nice to know I can get the original hassle free without having to tinker with DOSBOX myself, like the last time.
"I certainly know" doesn't really cut it...
Can you present some solid evidence on that one?
"I certainly know" doesn't really cut it...
poodaddy
Gold Member
Pretty good. I really wanna pony up, but I've bought way too many games lately, though I'm happy as fuck for it and I'm stoked. Hopefully it hits a strong sale for Gogs winter price cuts, I definitely want to try this.
ShadowOwl
Member
So is/was the Steam version too btw: http://steamcommunity.com/app/238210/discussions/0/828938532707882783/#c828938532726006315
Someone posted a link above that goes through the details, more or less.
What does that have to do with them potentially stealing the work of others?
Just because they navigated the legal mess doesn't give them the right to take someone's work and distribute it as a paid product to incure profit for themselves.
Joseph Merrick
Member
someone get me a steam controller
NumberThree
Member
Looks like Night Dive worked with modders on this one: https://www.systemshock.org/index.php?topic=8030
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/09/16/how-gog-com-save-and-restore-classic-videogames/
Do you have any proof that GOG stole the mods used in this release? I suspect not.
Have you actually read the thread?
So your answer is "no".
So /your/ answer is no.
I already went through this discussion with another poster like 20 posts ago.I questioned whether or not they had taken mods without permission as they did in ss2, and said I would not buy it if that was the case. Another poster posted a link to the main ss community hub where they announced that night dive worked with the community on this one. I said all is good, and proceeded to buy the game.
Thus my only recourse with you is to indeed tell you to read the damned thread. It's like 60 posts long and will take you 5 mins.
Do you have any proof that GOG stole a mod for SS2 or any other release? I'm honestly curious. I did check the thread for this but I suppose I could have missed it.
I've seen claims like this before but the best I can find is that GOG removes the offending mods from their release if the author complains. Perhaps they were unable to contact the author prior to release?
I wouldn't put it past GOG to include free mods without permission but it seems like an unnecessary headache.
I mean, GOG often attempts to make their release compatible with existing mods. And if they aren't, the mod authors almost always release a GOG-compatible version shortly thereafter. GOG's forum mods typically sticky a thread pointing to the best compatible mods. Why bother risking the ire of the community with an unsanctioned release when this method already works so well? I doubt that GOG gets many sales from people who will ONLY buy if a widescreen mod is pre-patched.
Noisepurge
Member
bought!
There was a lot of hoopla about it back when they first put it out. I mean they had the main executable for ss2tool included in gog's 1.0 release of it. They ended up pulling out the main files and I think ended up apologizing for it, but the game itself still uses ss2tool stuff in order to work. You can probably dig up some old forum posts here, on gog's forum, someone already linked you to discussion of it on steamfourms, and on ttlg's fourms. The final of which are the one's responsible for distributing the ss2tool utility that allows the game to run on modern computers and have the various fixes it has.
As far as some news outlets, I doubt there's anything there because they dont really give a shit about a 15 year old game in this way other than to praise it for coming back out, so they probably never reported on it.
Yeah but I doubt the Steam release will include the original/non-Enhanced System Shock, right?
https://www.systemshock.org/index.php?&topic=7937.0
Posts #21 and #24
Sounds like it was more ND being at fault, than GOG. That said, I wonder if anything changed for the AvP Classic re-release on GOG (didn't that use someone's patch/updates without credit?).
I tried to play it 10 years ago or so. I'd say: Badly. The original controls were pretty fucked up especially if you were used to System Shock 2's controls. Enhanced' "mouse look" should fix it, but I kinda doubt they stopped the movement/controls of the player from being awkward to use.
Like most super old games, not that well. Its not the graphics that are the problem but the interface.
stan423321
Member
Logical fallacy. On GOG, I can log in once, download the game, put it somewhere and then install it on a different computer. On Steam, I can do that only with selected games, list of which is not officially exposed.
I don't think you understand what a logical fallacy is, considering you seem to be employing one right now.
Unless you have evidence otherwise, all of night dives other steam releases were in fact drm free (including system shock 2), leading to the high probability that this one will be as well.