Seems at launch we'll get the game with a Pro mode and later on they'll patch-in even more graphical features and/or another mode.
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Tabata: FFXV will have better graphics on PS4 Pro
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The Praiseworthy
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Phew... what a relief to hear this from Tabata ^^"
The only point we are not agreeing is that you and some others apparently think you can have 4K and additionally high to ultra graphical settings in one Pro mode. Boy, will you be disappointed...
There is a reason why Rise of the Tomb Raider has three modes...
1) 4K, 30fps, no graphical bells and whistles-mode
2) 1080p, 30fps and all graphical bells and whistles-mode
3) 1080p, 60fps and no graphical bells and whistles-mode
...and not just one amazing 4K, 60fps and all graphical bells and whistles-mode. It's because the PS4 Pro is a little bit more than twice as powerful as the regular PS4 and not a highend gaming PC. There have to be compromises. So far all the Pro modes in games we know of so far do make these compromises, Rise of the Tomb Raider being a good example or Paragon, that will only have high to ultra graphical settings in a 1080p Pro mode. But a graphically demanding open-world game like FFXV, that runs barely at a locked 30fps and not even fully 1080p on the regular PS4 will be able to do the magic? I don't think so...
Always-honest
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Who the hell thinks that? That's a really uninformed person or completely made up by you.
Anyway, it seems devs got to hear about the Pro pretty late. So patches may come in fases
Don't the "journalists" and many forumers claim that the Pro footage they saw of Final Fantasy XV ran in 4K plus HDR and additionally had better lighting, textures, LOD etc.?
That would be "4K and additionally high to ultra graphical settings in one Pro mode" in my book.
Always-honest
Banned
Native 4K? I haven't read claims like that but maybe i missed them.
nono, of course not.
The game will run in 4k on pro (probably), but definitely not native. Checkerboard at best.
Movalpolos
Banned
FFXV is coming to Switch?
Always-honest
Banned
Ah okay, phheeew.. But then it depends on from what resolution it does checkerboard rendering and how much power is left. Hard to tell right now.
Must be a pretty demanding game.
AlexFlame116
Member
Super excited about this! I was already going to be the Pro but now I know that I'm looking forward to a treat.
mordecaii83
Member
The hair shimmer can definitely be noticeably reduced with AA, Agni's had 8x MSAA on the hair I believe and it was running on the same engine.
As Mailbox already said we are usually referring to checkerboard rendering when we call something a 4K Pro-mode. The Pro is not powerful enough to render most current generation games in full native 4K.
Always-honest
Banned
Yeah i know. Just checking.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Nope, but it's cute that people still think it will do, despite the fact they just barely got it to run on PS4 and Xbox One.
JonathanPower
Member
Only few games will support naive 4k, and even if you don't have a 4k TV, at least you can have this game running at full 1080p instead of 900p.
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
Why not both?
nelsonroyale
Member
Expected and pretty consistent with what he said before. They are not redoing the engine for Pro, but will optimise it to be clearly the best looking version. They can tweak some of the stuff they dial back from PC. Really hope they do a 1080p mode with enhanced visual features...
Switch has 1080p supersampling with higher quality effects, lower levels of aliasing, and a promise of more consistent framerates across the spectrum of it's progeny console? Huh.
GhostTrick
Banned
Actually, the gameblog link posted in the OP claims a Switch version is coming. But I would put zero faith in gameblog though
mordecaii83
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Actually, the gameblog link posted in the OP claims a Switch version is coming. But I would put zero faith in gameblog though
That would be pretty surprising considering the game runs sub 900p on the XB1 and runs sub 1080p on the PS4, both of which are more powerful by a decent amount than the Switch.
GhostTrick
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Just as I said, I put zero faith in Gameblog. But it was just to say that it was in fact in the link of the OP.
GinoFelino
Member
Tabata is such a beast. The shit he's been through. Knocking this one out of the park on some Rocky shit. Seriously an inspiration.
I perfectly know about the limits of the Pro and 3D hardware in general
And personally I've never dreamed to get 4K and ultra settings making this look like Agnis Philosophy
What I want in the PS4 Pro version of FFXV is mainly:
1)Better resolution to get rid of blurriness hiding the quality of the assets.
2)Get rid of the hideous dithering on the hair.
3)A nice HDR implementation that makes the lightning/colors and particle effects of the spells/summons shine.
I think these are reasonable expectations and yet they would increase overall quality a lot because basically what the Pro is good at offering also happens to target the main weaknesses of the engine running on the standard PS4.
We'll see if they will be able to offer a 1080p mode with better graphics (better draw distance, LOD, higher quality effects and things like that).
In any case the best version of FFXV this year will be on the PS4 Pro.
mordecaii83
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Yeah, I was just agreeing with you and giving another reason aside from not putting faith in Gameblog.
J_ToSaveTheDay
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Settled that there will be PS4 Pro enhancements via day 1 (or shortly thereafter) patch, promising PS4 version will have enhanced IQ and performance, but nothing specific demonstrated, and very likely too little time to get something out there to show the public, let alone even getting this PS4 Pro stuff together.
Seems the team is eager to investigate the possibilities with PS4 Pro further, but optimizing the base game and the current range of PS4 Pro features is still an active pursuit for the team -- likely a very strong down-to-the-wire crunch in this game's development, not that that's very unusual these days in the high-profile AAA space.
Seems the team is eager to investigate the possibilities with PS4 Pro further, but optimizing the base game and the current range of PS4 Pro features is still an active pursuit for the team -- likely a very strong down-to-the-wire crunch in this game's development, not that that's very unusual these days in the high-profile AAA space.
Always-honest
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It means there will be support. To what extend remains to be seen. But support is a good thing. It always means a slight improvement at the very least. So better than nothing.
Yeah, I was just agreeing with you and giving another reason aside from not putting faith in Gameblog.
How do you make a game like this work in portable format?
Its not happening.SE will probably make(possibly great) games for the Switch,but demanding high end games such as FF15 or FF7R likely won't make it.
I perfectly know about the limits of the Pro and 3D hardware in general
And personally I've never dreamed to get 4K and ultra settings making this look like Agnis Philosophy
What I want in the PS4 Pro version of FFXV is mainly:
1)Better resolution to get rid of blurriness hiding the quality of the assets.
2)Get rid of the hideous dithering on the hair.
3)A nice HDR implementation that makes the lightning/colors and particle effects shine.
I think these are reasonable expectations and yet they would increase overall quality a lot because basically what the Pro is good at offering also happens to target the main weaknesses of the engine running on the standard PS4.
We'll see if they will be able to offer a 1080p mode with better graphics (better draw distance, LOD, higher quality effects and things like that).
In any case the best version of FFXV this year will be on the PS4 Pro.
See? I agree that this is perfectly reasonable.
But the additional high/ultra graphical settings (textures, lighting, LOD) that "journalists" saw in the already 4K resolution FFXV Pro footage is imo not reasonable. And that was all I ever mentioned.
To me it sounds damage control, he said there's not time make any meaningful improvements, then someone saw the shitstorm online and they backpedaled. Whether that means they will actually put any effort in the patch remains to be seen.
GreenMakoEyes
Member
exactly, thank you Tabata!^^
nelsonroyale
Member
This is contencious though. He never defined what 'meaningful improvements' meant, but in the context of what he has talked about in a relation to a hypothetical PC version, it seems more substantial than usual console to PC leaps. I don't think the improvements that we are seeing in most other Pro patches - i.e., resolution and frames - come under this. Everything we have heard so far puts this in line with stuff like Horizon. Plus I tend to think enhancing the IQ will make textures resolve better. It will make a decent difference, just not a retooling of the engine.
Sniffynose
Member
This is good new at least since the other day it sounded like the opposite was happening.
I am not confused at all =/ but yeah, this would be the ideal game to prove the Pro is worth it so hopefully this sticks and isn't lost in translation or something.
I am not confused at all =/ but yeah, this would be the ideal game to prove the Pro is worth it so hopefully this sticks and isn't lost in translation or something.
anothertech
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4k checkerboard rendered can leave room for many things. Including better textures and lighting. Tabata is saying there will be better visuals than even seen at the demo.
I think you are more likely to be wrong in your assumptions.
I love this gif and I love these news!
I have no clue why there was such outcry at "no Pro features" in a recent thread. GAF sometimes really likes to react without thinking.
Every game will have Pro support from now on, and devs will decide how much they want to take advantage from new hardware. Pro version of FF15 was showcased on TGS and it looked great, two and a half months before the game was out.
Every game will have Pro support from now on, and devs will decide how much they want to take advantage from new hardware. Pro version of FF15 was showcased on TGS and it looked great, two and a half months before the game was out.
Yeah well, they should start showing it, or at least go in details or give us some comparisons.
XV is the main reason, hell probably the only reason, why i might buy a Pro in November, but we're so close to release (of both) and the avaible information is close to zero.
How am i supposed to decide to buy or not if i have nothing to base my decision on.
Also, considering i still have the hurdle to sell the old PS4, i really don't want to move blind.
Hope they show something substantial soon, maybe even today at the PGW livestream.
XV is the main reason, hell probably the only reason, why i might buy a Pro in November, but we're so close to release (of both) and the avaible information is close to zero.
How am i supposed to decide to buy or not if i have nothing to base my decision on.
Also, considering i still have the hurdle to sell the old PS4, i really don't want to move blind.
Hope they show something substantial soon, maybe even today at the PGW livestream.
See? I agree that this is perfectly reasonable.
But the additional high/ultra graphical settings (textures, lighting, LOD) that "journalists" saw in the already 4K resolution FFXV Pro footage is imo not reasonable. And that was all I ever mentioned.
But Tabata has just confirmed there were graphical upgrades in that version and not just a resolution bump so those people were right and you were proven wrong on that.
Also we don't know what kind of compromise they'll settle with.
What if they settle with a resolution that is not a major bump over 1080p in the "4K" mode and prefer to add extra graphical features to the mix?
They can do whatever they want and we just won't know the details of the implementation until they announce it.
Upgrades in the high res mode are not out of question at all, it's not like every game has to be like Tomb Raider where they tried to have a max resolution mode, a max fps mode and highest graphical settings mode. Other compromises are possible.
StrongBlackVine
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They have another month to show you.
artsi
Member
Do you need to buy it right away in 2 weeks?
I actually think the base PS4 version is already close, if not better at parts. See this from one of the recent preview videos (which wasn't even the final build, so there's still room for improvement):Please bring back 2014 demo visuals for ps4 pro Tabata.
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[IMG]http://orig08.deviantart.net/af25/f/2016/299/1/8/ffxvpreview6_by_vspectra-dambvi9.gif[/IMG]EDIT: Here's a comparison between Episode Duscae and now:
(Thanks to @Fotmhero1030)
Please stop with the constant you are wrong, you are wrong. I was proven nothing. The actual info in that interview still is very vague. What it says is: They are still working on it, they will make use of Pro hardware, it will look even more beautiful. That can mean everything and nothing and it sounds as if they aren't sure either what it's going to be.
Apart from the grass LOD I find the current Duscae prettier, even if it is less graphically advanced. It's lusher, more detailed, friendler etc. It's a bit sad though that the water rippling and screen space reflections took a hit recently as well.
Really all you need to do is wait for the Digital Foundry (or equivalent) video come release date. I feel like this endless bickering about what the Pro might or might not do is useless, but for some reason we can never escape it.
Polygon should write an article called Don't buy a Pro until you're sure it can do what you think it does
Polygon should write an article called Don't buy a Pro until you're sure it can do what you think it does
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