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[JJD]

Well, an extra controller is useless in my situation. I play alone.

And my batteries have been holding charge for a couple years so far, it's been good with me...but yes,

I don't use eneloops, but I'm sure they are great.

My experience with MS charge and play was horrible. I had to play with the cable constantly attached to the controller after less than a year because the battery wouldn't hold a charge. Maybe MS is using better components in the kits now, because by 2006, 2007 they were a piece of shit.

If you don't want another controller then I guess going with rechargable batteries or an extra controller is pretty much the same thing, since both could be considered "hidden costs".

 

[tsab]

360 SOC included inside? Imagine the overheats.
New Xbox is Hueg incoming?

If it really does have a 360 SOC that can be used by durango games (effectively boosting the capabilities a decent amount) then that is indeed pretty revolutionary as no console has done anything of that nature before.

Mega Drive had the Master System hardware and used it as the DSP in MD mode
PS2 had the PS1 CPU and used as the I/O controller in PS2 mode

 

[Reiko]

If Karak is not responding... I'm guessing this is a intentional controlled leak.

 

[EdibleExplosives]

Thank you, whoever you are...thank you.

People who believed rumours from multiple sources, some of those being ones that leaked info about the PS4 which came true are stupid/gullible/fanboys? Lol okay.

 

[SirIgbyCeaser]

BullshitIve never read a worse rumor. There is no point to the 360 soc, there are developers hinting at always on, and there was a ms employee fired for defending it on twitter. A 360 soc would be a nightmare on the ms api system, it wouldnt be developer friendly and is exactly how the ps3 launched. It would make microsoft depend on ibm until the end of another console generation which is one more person pay from every box sold. Dont feed the trolls. Please lock this nonsense.

 

[Beer Monkey]

360 SOC included inside? Imagine the overheats.

Hell, I think the current 360 chipset runs cooler than the PS3. This will run cooler than that.

 

[Izick]

People who believed rumours from multiple sources, some of those being ones that leaked info about the PS4 which came true are stupid/gullible/fanboys? Lol okay.

The only thing less likely than the next Xbox being always-online was the PS4 being used-games only. Absolutely insane what people believe right before consoles are announced.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

After inspecting a few posts, and considering the content...

Is it possible that this is your pastebin?

lol ... yeah, it does have the right tone

 

[JohnnySasaki86]

Just as the Move tech in every PS4 controller. Or the Wii U Gamepad. Kinect cost $50 to manufacture two years ago. 22 million units later that cost is probably down to less than half of that. And the only significant change for Kinect 2 seems to be better resolution, which isn't that expensive. The real change is that they'll dedicate Jaguar cores to it - which doesn't drive costs up. And the rest is software. So Kinect will make the system maybe $30 more expensive to produce, 8 GB GDDR5 over 8 GB DDR3 alone make up a $100 difference. And PS4 has better specs, so higher costs there as well. Microsoft can easily add 360 SOC and Kinect to its console and still be $50 to $100 cheaper than PS4.

Joke post? Theres so much wrong in this post. At the very most the 8gb GDDR5 would cost $100. At the very most! Most likely less than that. So the price difference is at least HALF what your claiming on the memory part. But then you have to include Durango's 32mn of eDRAM which is said to not be very cheap at all.

Like I said earlier, the main problem for them including this 360 SoC in the hardware, is costs down the line. The whole SoC may only cost them $40-50, but it increases the motherboard complexity as well. If there using it for performance gains on Kinect/Durango gains they wont be remove it later to reduce costs. The cost reduction timeline would be significantly affected.

 

[Reiko]

People who believed rumours from multiple sources, some of those being ones that leaked info about the PS4 which came true are stupid/gullible/fanboys? Lol okay.

Rumors from one source could be possibly wrong for another. It's possible.

 

[statham]

If Karak is not responding... I'm guessing this is a intentional controlled leak.

Karak made a ton of money off bitcoins. Hes probably out spending his money.

 

[soul creator]

BullshitIve never read a worse rumor. There is no point to the 360 soc, there are developers hinting at always on, and there was a ms employee fired for defending it on twitter. A 360 soc would be a nightmare on the ms api system, it wouldnt be developer friendly and is exactly how the ps3 launched. It would make microsoft depend on ibm until the end of another console generation which is one more person pay from every box sold. Dont feed the trolls. Please lock this nonsense.

it's not like the 360 SoC is some brand new cutting edge hardware. It's been used since 2010 in the Xbox 360 S. And dude was fired for being an asshole and ruining the company image, and would've happened regardless of what he was talking about.

And since they want to compete with Apple TV, they'd have to "depend on IBM" anyway with whatever mini 360 they have, so they might as well make use of it elsewhere. I don't see what's so shocking about that.

 

[Azull]

After inspecting a few posts, and considering the content...

Is it possible that this is your pastebin?

Wouldn't surprise me

 

[Sporran]

If it really does have a 360 SOC that can be used by durango games (effectively boosting the capabilities a decent amount) then that is indeed pretty revolutionary as no console has done anything of that nature before.

Better read your console history. And remember when it comes to the baseline its lowest common denominator #dealwithit

 

[Reiko]

Karak made a ton of money off bitcoins. Hes probably out spending his money.

Heh.

 

[TheRagnCajun]

Honestly I didn't find this to be anymore credible or believable than past rumours

 

[EdibleExplosives]

Rumors from one source could be possibly wrong for another. It's possible.

I know. I'm not saying they're correct, I'm saying it's dumb as fuck to call people stupid or assume they're a fanboy because they believed a reliable source.

The only thing less likely than the next Xbox being always-online was the PS4 being used-games only. Absolutely insane what people believe right before consoles are announced.

Again, the sources were reliable and there were multiple websites posting the same shit. An MS employee even tweeted sounding like he was defending it. Whether or not you personally believe it was far-fetched doesn't automatically make everyone else stupid.
Plus this is one rumour saying another rumour is false. We'll find out eventually which is true, but it's not clear yet.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

If Karak is not responding... I'm guessing this is a intentional controlled leak.

Nope.

 

[Garjon]

If Karak is not responding... I'm guessing this is a intentional controlled leak.

Is he actually a dependable source?

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

Hell, I think the current 360 chipset runs cooler than the PS3. This will run cooler than that.

Taking out the redundancy in components, you could probably squeeze it in there with no problems.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

Windows RT or Windows 8? Windows RT is afaik for devices with ARM CPUs, I find it hard to believe that the Xbox will have 3 CPUs (x86, PowerPC and ARM).

 

[Proelite]

Windows RT or Windows 8? Windows RT is afaik for devices with ARM CPUs, I find it hard to believe that the Xbox will have 3 CPUs (x86, PowerPC and ARM).

Do some research on WinRT please.

 

[derFeef]

Karak > Everyone else.

 

[Kyoufu]

BC is actually pretty huge. That means their XBLA content carries over day one.

That's something Sony should have prioritized.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

Where are the new rumours here?

 

[Omikaru]

Just checked out the "leaker's" twitter account. A few new posts were made just before GAF went down.

Oh also, congratulations to the poster who figured out my name is actually written in HEX. Though for some reason Twitter screwed it up.

4d7220335f345f33 is what it should be. It should give you a clear indication of what I do. Hint: I'm NOT a game developer.

4d7220335f345f33 is Mr 3_4_3.

Lol.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

Do some research on WinRT please.

As far as I know, it was developed for ARM devices. Wikipedia says the same:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_RT

Windows RT (codenamed Windows on ARM) is a version of Microsoft Windows operating system designed to run on mobile devices (such as Tablet computers) that are built upon ARM architecture.

 

[enzo_gt]

The Windows 8 kernel stuff sounds fantastic, and really what the ecosystem needs right now. Also makes sense with Xbox at the BUILD windows conference and all.

 

[Jburton]

I have to laugh at this stuff, especially if they do put a 360 soc in every Durango, plus a packed in Kinect it will be a very expensive machine.

Easily cost more than the PS4.

 

[Angelus Errare]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_RT

OMG people,

WinRT != Windows RT. Fucking Microsoft and their horrible naming/marketing. How could they not foresee this kind of shit happening in which the average person conflates the two? I mean really

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinRT

 

[derFeef]

Just checked out the "leaker's" twitter account. A few new posts were made just before GAF went down.

4d7220335f345f33 is Mr 3_4_3.

Lol.

Oh god it's John Chief.

 

[RoKKeR]

And I'm an anonymous Valve employee: HL3 is coming out tomorrow.

I'm staying away from rumors and anonymous sources until the thing is actually revealed.

 

[Proelite]

As far as I know, it was developed for ARM devices. Wikipedia says the same:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_RT

Man you suck at researching.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

OMG people,

WinRT != Windows RT. Fucking Microsoft and their horrible naming/marketing. How could they not foresee this kind of shit happening in which the average person conflates the two? I mean really

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinRT

That explains a lot lol.

Man you suck at researching.

You could have just explained the difference in a short sentence instead of giving an arrogant and unfriendly reply.

 

[SniperHunter]

how much $$$ did karack make off bitcoins?

 

[Proelite]

OMG people,

WinRT != Windows RT. Fucking Microsoft and their horrible naming/marketing. How could they not foresee this kind of shit happening in which the average person conflates the two? I mean really

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinRT

Average person don't need to know what WinRT and Windows RT is.

Developers need to, and they'll figure it out like in the first 5 minutes.

You could have just explained the difference in a short sentence instead of giving an arrogant and unfriendly reply.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=54140631&postcount=80
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=54140970&postcount=107

 

[test_account]

Is Xbox 360 SoC really possible today? (within a reasonable size of course, to fit on the Xbox 720 motherboard without making it huge). I think the $150 addon seems more plausible than this.

 

[FuturusX]

360 SOC used for general computing alongside the x86 APU. Sounds logical. Nice and easy to program, no headaches at all.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Average person don't need to know what WinRT and Windows RT is.

Developers need to, and they'll figure it out like in the first 5 minutes.

Windows RT is still an utterly horrible name.

 

[JohnnySasaki86]

360 SOC used for general computing alongside the x86 APU. Sounds logical. Nice and easy to program, no headaches at all.

How so? Or are you being sarcastic?

 

[gofreak]

Only if MS sucked at architecturing. They can solve the problem by providing two VMs, one VM for Windows 8 and the other VM for the games kernel. Game kernel can be as close to the metal as it needs.

There will be a some memory overhead for the hypervisor, a few hundred mbs.

If MS wanted to have software compatibility go two ways, W8->Durango, and Durango->Windows - or to leave the door open to that possibility in the future - it could explain if they are keeping devs talking through relatively high level APIs. Or even to just simplify BC in future systems if a line of consoles remains in the future.

I could see the former idea appealing to the higher-ups at MS. They may ultimately have eyes on simplifying back to one platform (windows) across all devices rather than maintaining a separate platform for any one business.

 

[Globox_82]

yup everything is super duper so it must be true...thanks random twitter member.

 

[quickwhips]

Dudes a liar. I'm going to go make a pastebin post and fake twitter account also. See ya guys tomorrow!

 

[whitehawk]

Do you even know what you're talking about? The controller cable for the PS3 is like 3 feet long. I can't sit that close to my TV to play.

With the rechargeable batteries (not AA batteries), I place one in the charging cradle and continue playing with a fully charged battery while the other charges. Why the hell wouldn't I prefer that?

The PS3 uses a standard USB cable to charge. Just buy a 10 foot cable for a few bucks.

 

[Punkster_NY]

why does he come off sounding so angry and resentful? so this thing is going to have two different types of CPUs/GPUs/RAM?

using old xbox hardware to boost the newer hardware seems like a straight hack job and smells of desperation. also sounds like a nightmare for developers to code for.

 

[coldfoot]

How so? Or are you being sarcastic?

Definitely sarcasm. 2 different CPU architectures + 2 different GPU architectures.

 

[enzo_gt]

yup everything is super duper so it must be true...thanks random twitter member.

Except for AA batteries again. That would fucking suck.

 

[EvB]

ignore

 

[mckmas8808]

it could still be a "custom OS", while still supporting cross-platform development, which is what WinRT is for. That's true that it won't be "to the metal", but I don't think that process is as important nowadays (especially not for "indie" games)

Writing to the metal is and will always be important.

 

[Vdragoon]

what a load of croc. 360 soc on 720? more power?