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[dave is ok]

so what's the difference between Hydrocodone and vicodin?
i have some pain that needs relieving :lol

They're the same thing

 

[Jamesearlcash]

:lol

Pot is in no way addictive. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar.

It's metally addictive, not physically.

 

[dave is ok]

It's metally addictive, not physically.

If you say so, Junior

 

[Kipz]

It's metally addictive, not physically.

Anything can be mentally addictive. Video games, roller coasters fucking anything. Mental addiction is just another way of describing an activity which is fun so people want to do it more often than others are comfortable with.

 

[SnakeSlashRO]

CAN ANYONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT IS SO HARD ABOUT STOPPING PAIN PILLS... If you are NOT in pain!!


How does it make you feel, how can't you stop... ?

 

[dave is ok]

CAN ANYONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT IS SO HARD ABOUT STOPPING PAIN PILLS... If you are NOT in pain!!


How does it make you feel, how can't you stop... ?

They're addictive - you go through withdrawl if you stop taking them after a certain point.

And they feel awesome - even when you're not in pain, but as with all hard drugs, if you get hooked you end up taking them just to feel normal/not sick.

 

[smoothj]

careful you might hurt your liver or kidney..

plus its hard to pee

 

[jbbb]

careful you might hurt your liver or kidney..

plus its hard to pee

It's hard to poop too.

 

[SnakeSlashRO]

careful you might hurt your liver or kidney..

plus its hard to pee

:lol

 

[tfur]

CAN ANYONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT IS SO HARD ABOUT STOPPING PAIN PILLS... If you are NOT in pain!!


How does it make you feel, how can't you stop... ?

You are in pain.

You know how when you you have the flu, and you have the shits... and you are nauseous?

It makes the flu feel like a cake walk. You would gladly take a flu over a few weeks of withdrawal, knowing it would be gone in 24 hours. Also, no sleep, constant kicking your extremities, crawling feelings, every muscle/joint hurts, your emotions go haywire, certain smells make you gag... etc.. etc...

And you know that just one little spike, bump, or pill will make you exhale in relief, and feel normal.

Of course, you have to start that all over again every day.

I feel for you guys, keeping yourself "normal" is a full time job...

Just remember it takes time to quit. You may fail a hundred times, but just keep trying. You will eventually succeed.

 

[tjohn86]

If you say so, Junior

He's right, dude.

 

[DaCocoBrova]

Hydrocodone? Please. Just smoke some good weed. They're both downers.

 

[funkmastergeneral]

If you're really interested in going off of hydrocodone, don't use suboxone. It's way too expensive and still addictive, try naltrexone. The only downside with naltrexone is it's up to you to keep taking it, you can just stop taking it one day if you'd like to use some hydrocodone again.

The ignorance in this thread is mind boggling. Comparing hydrocodone to acetaminophen? Wow.

 

[siddx]

People react differently to various substances. Weed? never felt an addiction. Booze? I love it but I can go for extended periods of times without drinking and have no issue. Coke? fun stuff but I don't have any desire to do it. But cigarettes? Forget it, hopelessly addicted.
My best friend is the opposite, smoked cigarettes off and on his whole life and can quit at the drop of a hat. But weed? He goes a week without it and is losing his mind.

 

[camineet]

so what's the difference between Hydrocodone and vicodin?
i have some pain that needs relieving :lol

Hydrocodone is the narcotic painkiller that's in Vicodin.

Vicodin is always some combination of Hydrocodone and Acetaminophen (Tylenol).
i.e Vicodin '5/500' is 5 mg Hydrocodone + 500 mg Acetaminophen, and you don't want to be on that combination *if* you need to take Hydro regularly. One of the most popular formulations is a generic Norco 10 which is 10 mg Hydro + 325 mg Acetaminophen. That's about 1/3 the amount of Acetaminophen as if you took 2 regular Vicodins (1000mg vs 325 mg). Thus, it won't devastate your liver as badly or as fast compared to taking regular Vicodin.

Lortab is basicly another name brand just like Vicodin. There's Lortab 10 as well.

Vicodin (5mg Hydro + 500 mg Tylenol)
Vicodin ES (7.5mg Hydro, + 750mg Tylenol)
Vicodin HP (10mg Hydro + 660mg Tylenol)


So Lortab 10, Norco 10 and Vicodin HP all have the same amount of Hydro (10mg) and different amounts of Tylenol, with Norco having the least, thus it's popularity amoung Hydro users.

There are many other brand names with different combinations of Hydrocodone and either Tylenol (most common) aspirin (rare) or Ibuprofen (semi rare).

One of the best is probably Vicoprofen: that's 7.5 mg Hydro + 200 mg Ibuprofen, no Tylenol at all. I was on for awhile before Norco 10. It's a better option than anything that has Tylenol in it, although I think too much Ibuprofen will kill your kidney instead of your liver, though I'm not sure of that.

Anyway, don't get hooked on the stuff like many of us have.

 

[dave is ok]

He's right, dude.

No he's not, Junior.

 

[camineet]

Well, I've made it my first day on my tapering /titration program: one 10/325 tab every 8 hours (thus 3 a day), plus one 0.1mg of Clonidine to help. I feel just so-so, not bad not great. Gotta keep this up for 2 weeks and go from there.


I wish those going through a similar situation the absolute best!

 

[sonicfan]

I have been on and off pain meds the past 14 years. At first it was Codeine, then I had a couple surgeries and did not need to take anything for a year. Then my condition regressed and I had to go back on pain meds. My doctors tried to put me on Methadone and at one time Elevil. Neither worked much for pain and Methadone is horrible for pretty much everything. It did not kill the pain as much as it trashed your brain and memory. The pain was still there, but you would forget you even had a thought a minute later. I would smoke cigarettes backwards and burn my lips in the process. I would forget about it 30 seconds later and do it again. It was a mess and finally told the doctor, I couldnt handle it. I got intense headaches for 2 weeks coming off it.

I went back to taking Codeine pills, but I started to get worried with the amount of acetaminophen I was taking each day. I switched to Norco, but even then, I was still taking a lot. I finally found a good pain doctor, who put me on long acting medication instead of the normal pills. I am on Morphine Sulfate ER now and it has been great. My brain isnt in a constant haze and I can work and function close to normal. The whole point of pain management is to handle and get the pain under control, so you can function as closely to normal with as few drawbacks as possible. Morphine has the least amount of long term side effects if taken properly.

Pain management doctors have a near impossible job. First they have to figure out the people who need the medication for real pain and those who are addicted, then they have to find the right dose and medication, while monitoring their patients to make sure they dont get addicted. I have seen people at the pain clinic hunched over drooling on themselves because they are over medicated. They have little pain any more, but over the past year their life has faded away because of the pills. Now they just want to escape everything, because their old life is gone. It is pretty sad. The pain management field in the US is getting better, but there is still a lot of addicted people in the system who screw things up for people in need of pain medication.

The brain effect of some of the non-narcotic "pain" drugs are almost as bad as the pain. When I started elevil it was pretty much as you describe, you have about a 30 second memory, if that. Plus, I felt like crap in the morning, like a bad hangover, and they did nothing for the pain. When I read up on Lyrica, there was NO WAY I was going to start up on that stuff, it sounded just like elevil. These type of drugs really are anti-epileptic drugs, they work on your nervous system, not really anti-pain per se. They do help some people with very specific nerve damage type of pain, but I just don't see how the side effects are worth it when you have them, certainly not for me.

I think my dad, who was a doctor, was addicted to opiate pain medication long ago after he was almost killed in a terrible car accident before I was born. He didn't walk after for a couple of years, and my parents never talked much about it. But he was in such bad pain for the rest of his life, all he took was anti-infamitory drugs. Proably did ruin his liver and kidneys. I remember him taking Butazolidin (phenylbutazone) a long time ago too, and giving it to me when I broke my hand. A serious NSAID, with what we now know as seious side effects, but that stuff did work.....

 

[siddx]

No he's not, Junior.

Someone has explained to you that calling Junior Members "junior" in a condescending way makes you look like a complete tool right?

 

[water_wendi]

CAN ANYONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT IS SO HARD ABOUT STOPPING PAIN PILLS... If you are NOT in pain!!


How does it make you feel, how can't you stop... ?

They make you feel so good.. its a state of pure bliss. ive gotten so high i dont ever want to come down. All cares in the world go away.. all inhibitions dissolve.. just total contentment. There is almost not a day that goes by where i dont wish i had some kind of opiate or downer. Thats why stopping is difficult.

 

[wenis]

You can do it man. I got off the stuff cold turkey months ago now. I miss it and have urges to drop some pills, but I wouldn't trade the cleaner life I'm living now for anything else. It feels great and you'll feel a whole lot better soon enough.

Things will be better.

 

[dave is ok]

Someone has explained to you that calling Junior Members "junior" in a condescending way makes you look like a complete tool right?

Don't care, Junior.

 

[siddx]

Don't care, Junior.

As long as you're ok with it. Go you.

 

[Lost Fragment]

It doesn't hold a candle to opiates and amphetamines and stuff, but to deny that pot can be more psychologically addictive than most things is pretty naive.

 

[camineet]

back in 04 my doctor tried me out on Elavil (Amitriptyline) for my headaches, telling me there was a 50/50 chance it could help me not experience pain (it's not a painkiller), but all it really did was make me VERY tired the next day. I kept it up for a few weeks then quit because it really did not help. The only thing that helped my migraines and bad regular headaches was Imitrex.

They make you feel so good.. its a state of pure bliss. ive gotten so high i dont ever want to come down. All cares in the world go away.. all inhibitions dissolve.. just total contentment. There is almost not a day that goes by where i dont wish i had some kind of opiate or downer. Thats why stopping is difficult.

That's exactly how Hydrocodone made me feel. It's not the most powerful opiate in the world (it's nothing compared to Heroin but I wouldn't know since I haven't tried that) but it's pretty effective especially if one doesn't have a tolerence. That's the problem, it makes you feel so good, you never wanna stop.

 

[hockeypuck]

It's a better option than anything that has Tylenol in it, although I think too much Ibuprofen will kill your kidney instead of your liver, though I'm not sure of that.

GI bleed. Take enough ibuprofen and you'll be pooping blackened blood in no time.

 

[water_wendi]

GI bleed. Take enough ibuprofen and you'll be pooping blackened blood in no time.

Later today/tomorrow is gonna be a real test for me. i need to do some housesitting for my mom while she is out of town.. and i know there are TONS of meds there for when my father was dying of cancer. Like liquid morphine and 120ct bottles of oxycodone. Its going to be hard to stay strong ffs.

EDIT: i dont know why i quoted that.. it was 3am and i was tired i guess :lol

 

[theinfinityissue]

funny how these threads come along right when you need them. I had a root canal a couple days ago, and got some hydro for pain. well yesterday the pain in my wisdom teeth holes got unbearable so I just kept eating them to try and stay in front of it. I feel asleep at 3am, and was woke up by horrible nightmares at 6. regardless to say, my mouth is still fucking killing me, but I think i'm gonna duck those little pills for today. I feel so weird. When I feel like they've worn off, I'm going to get some normal sleep. until then is there anything I can do to not feel so damn strange? my chest is all heavy, i'm dizzy, and I just feel out of it in a bad way.

 

[camineet]

funny how these threads come along right when you need them. I had a root canal a couple days ago, and got some hydro for pain. well yesterday the pain in my wisdom teeth holes got unbearable so I just kept eating them to try and stay in front of it. I feel asleep at 3am, and was woke up by horrible nightmares at 6. regardless to say, my mouth is still fucking killing me, but I think i'm gonna duck those little pills for today. I feel so weird. When I feel like they've worn off, I'm going to get some normal sleep. until then is there anything I can do to not feel so damn strange? my chest is all heavy, i'm dizzy, and I just feel out of it in a bad way.

sounds like you might be experiencing some side effects from the Hydrocodone. I don't know. Don't take them, and if it's really bothering you, call your doctor, or a doctor. Maybe he can perscribe you something else for the pain. I hope you feel better.

 

[Amir0x]

Painkillers are something else. I love the way it feels too, but if you feel enough is enough my best advice is to try to substitute it with a lesser issue. Smoke some weed, for example. Usually, for those few hours, I'm not thinking of some other drug I rather have

 

[Broseybrose]

Later today/tomorrow is gonna be a real test for me. i need to do some housesitting for my mom while she is out of town.. and i know there are TONS of meds there for when my father was dying of cancer. Like liquid morphine and 120ct bottles of oxycodone. Its going to be hard to stay strong ffs.

damn... good luck dude. thats gonna be really hard...

 

[camineet]

This is tough! My brain is throwing EVERY excuse & trick in the book at me, why I could get away with taking an extra one here or there and not feel the discomfort of scaling back.

Gotta stay with my limit of 30mg Hydro a day via three 10/325s for 15 days until I have my next appointment to take the next step. arghhhhh.

 

[kamspy]

Why do you have to stop?

I suffer from chronic pain and take pain killers everyday.

The same way someone with chronic stomach problems would take pills for it everyday.

But in the stomach guy's case, he wouldn't be labeled an addict.

Why is that GAF?

 

[Mineshaft_Gap]

So I'm having to force myself to scale down / taper down off of Hydrocodone, slowly, under my new Doc's supervision. This is the hardest thing I've ever had to do, both physically & mentally.

People who've been through this, KNOW what I'm talking about.

I dunno if I can do this. It's so easy to convince one's self to have another pill, because they're available, and because it'll ease the pain of tapering down. but that will defeat the purpose. Yet the body does not WANT to do this, it just wants its damn supply of the drug. It feels fucking GOOD on Hydrocodone, why ever stop? Because getting cut off, and going into withdrawal, will hurt so much more. Doctors are not gonna give this stuff out endlessly, there has to be an endgame.


GAF, please encourage me not to fuck up

you sound like a heroin addict.

 

[sonicfan]

funny how these threads come along right when you need them. I had a root canal a couple days ago, and got some hydro for pain. well yesterday the pain in my wisdom teeth holes got unbearable so I just kept eating them to try and stay in front of it. I feel asleep at 3am, and was woke up by horrible nightmares at 6. regardless to say, my mouth is still fucking killing me, but I think i'm gonna duck those little pills for today. I feel so weird. When I feel like they've worn off, I'm going to get some normal sleep. until then is there anything I can do to not feel so damn strange? my chest is all heavy, i'm dizzy, and I just feel out of it in a bad way.

I remember when I had my wisdom teeth taken out when I was 19, it was the first time I ever had painkillers. On the way home and for a few hours later I thought to myself, that wasn't such a big deal...... Then the pills started to wear off, it started to hurt like hell..... I hardly could eat either. I had it done over Christmas break, and its the only time I lost weight over break........