eternaLightness
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I'm not saying I condone what she did, or what any of the teachers have been into lately. I mainly just meant how all these stories about teachers getting fired or suspended seem to put teachers in such a negative state.
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Teacher suspended over facebook comment in New Jersey.
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Slayven said:
Yeah or at home lol. My pal's mom is a teacher, and she tells us horror stories.
the edu. program in college has a semester class dedicated to teaching to-be teachers everything they can get fired for.
There are true life scenarios depicting a teacher doing nothing or doing something about a particular matter, and getting getting in trouble for both.
And, when you are out of school you basically need to vanish from the face of the earth because of all the angry mom brigades out there waiting to sue.
There are true life scenarios depicting a teacher doing nothing or doing something about a particular matter, and getting getting in trouble for both.
And, when you are out of school you basically need to vanish from the face of the earth because of all the angry mom brigades out there waiting to sue.
Dreams-Visions
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I don't know if you have to "vanish", but you for damn sure shouldn't need to be "taught" to not talk shit about your employers (in this case, the students or fellow faculty) on the fucking internet for all the world to see and read. And you probably shouldn't "friend" your students if you like to cut loose...though there's no reason for coarse joking and such online either.bangai-o said:
You don't do those things as a private sector employee, you shouldn't expect to be able to do it in the public sector either.
The company I work for has developed a crawler based on Google search that checks for any mention of it's name and the board/VPs. One of the first things they mention in new hire orientation is that if you even mention the company's name in a bad light, you're at risk of losing your job.X26 said:
Could be nothing more than a scare tactic, but I don't think anyone's stupid enough to test it.
Setting your profile/status updates to private will pretty much ward against crawlers such as these. Unless you make company-disparaging remarks on a friend's wall, which happens to be set to public, of course.Wthermans said:
It's not like corporations have secret deals with Facebook to pry into protected private information.
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Al-ibn Kermit said:
I do. Kids are little demons.
I love how some people have come to conclusion that this teacher is "a drain".
A quick tip to anyone who's never taught: what the teacher said can be true! There are more kids than anyone should care to admit that simple are not going to go down the right path no matter how hard you try.
Here's another tip: Just because this teacher said this doesn't mean they don't actually try! I can't count how many times I've came home and had to rant about coworkers to get it off my chest. I've even called them bad names. But I'm polite, professional, and patient with them when in their company.
I'm not saying it was the smartest thing to do, but christ, quell the lynch mob.
A quick tip to anyone who's never taught: what the teacher said can be true! There are more kids than anyone should care to admit that simple are not going to go down the right path no matter how hard you try.
Here's another tip: Just because this teacher said this doesn't mean they don't actually try! I can't count how many times I've came home and had to rant about coworkers to get it off my chest. I've even called them bad names. But I'm polite, professional, and patient with them when in their company.
I'm not saying it was the smartest thing to do, but christ, quell the lynch mob.
example,Dreams-Visions said:
teachers are strongly encouraged to NOT go to bars. If you do happen to go, than you had better not be drinking a beer. These actions always make its way back to the principle.
Its these scenarios that convince teachers to join teacher unions, to protect their jobs. Subsequently, you understand the problems that unions bring to education.
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Thats not what Facebook is like at all. Some people think it is, and then it screws them over like this.Wthermans said:
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ViralMarketingDrone said:
ViralMarketingDrone said:
You cannot be serious. It is not a teacher's job to raise the kids she's teaching.
ChocolateCupcakes
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It may be true but she didn't have to say it publicly. As a teacher it is her job to try and steer her kids in the right direction and her saying that shows that she doesn't take her job seriously.
EDIT: And saying that about 1st graders? They are at such a vulnerable age where they will believe anything so why would you say that?
EDIT: And saying that about 1st graders? They are at such a vulnerable age where they will believe anything so why would you say that?
Dreams-Visions
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If your definition of "not vanishing" is posting shit disparaging clients or employers for the world to see, then not only to teachers have to "vanish" but so does everyone else in the public or private sectors who value their jobs.bangai-o said:
This shit isn't rocket science. You talk shit about your employers/fellow staff/faculty/clients on the internet where you are easily identifiable and where all the world can see your ranting..and you will more often than not find your job in jeopardy.
It doesn't have to. It puts doubt there. And considering you're not entitled to your job, parents and administrators are right to hire people who's commitment levels they don't have to doubt.bangai-o said:
ChocolateCupcakes
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bangai-o said:
She is pretty much teaching these kids half-assed if she comes to the conclusion that they are criminals. If she was honestly trying I highly doubt she would say that.
williamsan
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What a silly teacher. Why wouldn't she have set her profile to private? Why would she have said those things at all if she knew a parent or employer could see it? So strange. Whenever I'm certified, the facebook and all other social networking sites get deleted. I'm not risking it. No way. Not in today's world. It's an easy sacrifice for doing something I love.
Angry Fork
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By the age of 5-7 children should know right from wrong, know manners, etc. and so on. Parents are responsible for this, I knew right from wrong at that age and I knew that when the teacher said to be quiet I was supposed to shut up and listen. Almost all the kids in class knew this except for a few that were always the class clowns/loud ones and got in trouble. It's like this for most schools.ChocolateCupcakes said:
If you're in a school where the majority of your class are little shits, then it's clearly an environment/neighborhood/parent problem. It's not a teacher's job to spend half of her time trying to calm kids down and teach them how to be good. This is shit they should know already once they're in school. There's no reason she should have to waste her time fixing parental mistakes.
Even if you want to say that it is her job to fix those mistakes and to raise those kids, we still have no clue whether she tried hard to do so or not. Maybe she spent weeks dealing with these kids, trying to help them, change them etc. and maybe it simply didn't work, so she got frustrated and vented it on facebook. Or maybe she didn't try and is easily frustrated, I don't know. But there's too little information to assume she's teaching them half-assed or didn't try her best.
Because there isn't enough information to judge that, the only thing you can judge/decide on is whether it's her job to teach kids that stuff in the first place. Kids should be learning math, reading and science, not how to sit down properly and stop throwing things around or whatever they may have been doing that made her rage. If she's spending the majority of her time dealing with that stuff then the school administration needs to send out some kind of thing telling parents to start parenting.
ChocolateCupcakes
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bangai-o said:
Honestly I don't know for sure but common sense tells me that she wasn't doing the best job as a teacher. I draw this conclusion from experiences from my mother who is a teacher in Harlem. And honestly, it doesn't matter if she is the best teacher but if she is teaching with a mindset that these 1st graders will be criminals then the parents have all right to complain. They don't send their kids their to be insulted and some of the kids need some sort of outside support if their families aren't well rounded. This lady was pretty much pissing around with future leaders seeing how impressionable 8 years old are.
WrenchNinja
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Facebook isn't your diary.
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Angry Fork said:
As a teacher you know that some of the kids families wont be teaching their kids stuff like basic manners. Most good teachers will tell you that you are like a second set of parents so she should've known what she was getting into. Why do you think that kids call their teacher mom or dad at least once? This lady gave up on her job and in turn gave up on her kids so why should she continue to teach them? She should just find a job elsewere that would require her to teach more "capable" students.
Dreams-Visions
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a fair analysis. I know a fair amount of teachers. lots of my friends are educators, as was my mother. I used to teach as part of a math and science summer school for gifted students over the summers when I was in college.ChocolateCupcakes said:
Good teachers don't speak about their challenging kids like this. They just don't. They might get discouraged at times, but never would they publicly vent on FACEBOOK...and wouldn't refer to their students as "future criminals" in public or private for that matter. That's a defeated position. Do any of you gaffers defending this teacher actually know any teachers personally? Because I think you guys wouldn't hold the position you do if you did.
I find nothing at all objectionable with what was said. Kids will always be unruly and bratty, but there is no question that this generation of brats are orders of magnitude worse when it comes to lack of discipline/bad parenting and feeling entitled than any before them. Good kids and good parents still exist of course, but the bad eggs are getting far more rotten than their predecessors, and it isn't their fault.
I don't blame the kids for being born to shitty parents who would rather smoke weed all day, go out clubbing or worry about what is happening on facebook rather than raise their fucking children. I don't blame them for being educated in a system that is lacking in nearly every single area that can be measured, nor for having their morals molded by a society that cares more about celebrity worship than basically anything. These kids are coming into an increasingly fucked society, and many of them are broken before they reach high school.
In many cases teaching IS like being a warden and there is no fucking question that a certain % will become future criminals. That is like saying the sun might put out some heat tomorrow. However, a teacher can feel like the situation is hopeless and STILL try her best to reach the kids and be a good teacher to them. The two things are not mutually exclusive.
Where she fucked up was saying so in a place like facebook where it would inevitably come back to her. That shows an appalling lack of foresight and judgment and as such I have no trouble with the school firing her. Not because of the content, but because of the situation the school is put in with respect to the angry parents. I'd almost say she deserves to be fired JUST for the stupidity of putting it on facebook, even if there was no disruption of her ability to teach as a result and the kids/parents never found out. You have to question the intelligence of someone who would do such a thing. It's like if your boss is going out of the office for 10 minutes so you decide to fire up some kush when they leave. Yeah you might get away with it, but shouldn't your brain's risk assessment faculty kick in and stop you from doing it?
I don't blame the kids for being born to shitty parents who would rather smoke weed all day, go out clubbing or worry about what is happening on facebook rather than raise their fucking children. I don't blame them for being educated in a system that is lacking in nearly every single area that can be measured, nor for having their morals molded by a society that cares more about celebrity worship than basically anything. These kids are coming into an increasingly fucked society, and many of them are broken before they reach high school.
In many cases teaching IS like being a warden and there is no fucking question that a certain % will become future criminals. That is like saying the sun might put out some heat tomorrow. However, a teacher can feel like the situation is hopeless and STILL try her best to reach the kids and be a good teacher to them. The two things are not mutually exclusive.
Where she fucked up was saying so in a place like facebook where it would inevitably come back to her. That shows an appalling lack of foresight and judgment and as such I have no trouble with the school firing her. Not because of the content, but because of the situation the school is put in with respect to the angry parents. I'd almost say she deserves to be fired JUST for the stupidity of putting it on facebook, even if there was no disruption of her ability to teach as a result and the kids/parents never found out. You have to question the intelligence of someone who would do such a thing. It's like if your boss is going out of the office for 10 minutes so you decide to fire up some kush when they leave. Yeah you might get away with it, but shouldn't your brain's risk assessment faculty kick in and stop you from doing it?
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Satyamdas said:
You're one of those people who seriously believes this generation is the worst? Go ask your grandparents what they thought of your parents.
Peasant Princess-King said:
I sub'd once for a kindergarten through 5th grade music teacher.
I'll never do it again. I only sub for middle and high school now.
Kids that age just can't be reasoned with unless you have some really good specialized training for that age group. If high school or middle schoolers give you any shit you can just kick them out of class and send them to the office or call the office on the PA system.
I cannot believe the stuff elementary school teachers have to deal with. A couple of 2nd grade boys would not stop kicking the shit out of each other the entire class. A little girl comes up to me crying because she said the boy next to her was cussing at her. Then she comes up to me 20 minutes later still crying and said she told me the wrong boy and it was some other boy across the room who hadn't been anywhere near her the entire time. Then another little kid comes up and tells me he's about to throw up. Another kid is throwing pencils across the room, and they just will not shut up for the most part and all you can do is try to control the chatter. You can't stop it. It was just one thing after another the entire day.
ChocolateCupcakes said:
This is lunacy. A second pair of parents? Bullshit. If they can be a like a second pair of parents, they should be able to whup that ass should their "children" act up or out of line. Can they? hell no. lol
Your job as a teacher is to teach the subjects you're required to teach to the best of your ability. If those students can not be reasoned with after multiple attempts, put them in programs they can reason with them. This shit isn't Lean on Me.
It is pure lunacy what it is to be expected of teachers nowadays.
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