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[RiggenBlaque]

But you'd think that a few people would at least be playing sniper too?

This happens EVERY update. Stop complaining.


I love how everyone loved the game yesterday, and now with the addition of new items that you don't even have to use and doesn't effect how you play at all, everything thinks it's the worst thing in the world.

 

[Javaman]

This happens EVERY update. Stop complaining.


I love how everyone loved the game yesterday, and now with the addition of new items that you don't even have to use and doesn't effect how you play at all, everything thinks it's the worst thing in the world.

No, the frustration is from not having a clear path on how to get to the new content. Supposedly it'll be revealed today, but yesterday was lackluster since it felt like a hollow update.

 

[RiggenBlaque]

No, the frustration is from not having a clear path on how to get to the new content. Supposedly it'll be revealed today, but yesterday was lackluster since it felt like a hollow update.

I don't even think it mattered. The steam servers were down so much the weapons weren't even dropping.

Everyone needs to just step back and realize this update has been out for something like 12 hours. Just take a deep breath and relax, you'll get your Jarate eventually.

 

[Hellcrow]

So, what should I do with my extra flare gun? Can I sell it for something?

 

[Proven]

If there's one thing I've learned, people are too impatient, especially on the PC. TF2 and L4D are probably the only PC games I'm going to bother with enough to deal with communities. Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 will be played with only a few of you guys mostly if I'm hurting for people to play with.

Yes, I do understand that some people are rightfully hurt, like Blizzard, who seem unable to get anything, but also considering this is the PC, random shit like this pops up all the time with big updates and you have to sit through the storm a little. In other updates, there would always be achievements that didn't register.

 

[RiggenBlaque]

Yes, I do understand that some people are rightfully hurt, like Blizzard, who seem unable to get anything, but also considering this is the PC, random shit like this pops up all the time with big updates and you have to sit through the storm a little. In other updates, there would always be achievements that didn't register.

In adopting some MMO elements to the game, TF2 has also adopted the time-tested MMO tradition of complaining about every aspect of the game, yet continuing to play it. Everyone is having this knee-jerk reaction to the big update, complaining about things that really don't matter, and it will all die down in a little bit of time.

 

[Cronen]

Hey GAF, excuse me if this has been mentioned already. I'm heading out now, and I haven't had a chance to read over the last few pages.

I've just played some TF2, about an hours worth. I unlocked both the Spy's new revolver and the Heavy's boxing gloves in that session, but I spent the whole time playing as both the Scout and the Medic.

Now am I wrong in thinking that to get the new weapons you have to get achievements as that particular character? Or is there a bit of a glitch going around with the new update? I got a few achievements, but they were Scout-based, as well as one or two in the 'General' section.

Once again, sorry if this has been brought up already, or if I'm just completely stupid when it comes to how you unlock the weapons. Anyway, many thanks!

 

[artist]

Drop system is fucking retarded. Valve please go back to the old system.

 

[RiggenBlaque]

Hey GAF, excuse me if this has been mentioned already. I'm heading out now, and I haven't had a chance to read over the last few pages.

I've just played some TF2, about an hours worth. I unlocked both the Spy's new revolver and the Heavy's boxing gloves in that session, but I spent the whole time playing as both the Scout and the Medic.

Now am I wrong in thinking that to get the new weapons you have to get achievements as that particular character? Or is there a bit of a glitch going around with the new update? I got a few achievements, but they were Scout-based, as well as one or two in the 'General' section.

Once again, sorry if this has been brought up already, or if I'm just completely stupid when it comes to how you unlock the weapons. Anyway, many thanks!

The details aren't completely clear yet, but the achievements have definitely been removed as a requirement for the new weapons, and random drops are in. It doesn't seem to matter what class you're playing as, you can get drops for anything.

 

[MisterAnderson]

As shitty as this new drop system sounds (haven't played it yet but sounds retarded compared to the old since it was always satisfying unlocking the content through achievements), I can see why they did it.

It was pretty damn annoying seeing half of a team as the class the update was for since everyone wanted to unlock the content. Now there's not going to be a complete saturation of one or two classes per update since unlocking isn't dependent on playing as that particular class.

 

[Proven]

Oh yeah, something I forgot to ask. One of the new kill icons for the Spy looks like one of the new achievements. What the heck is it? (after typing this, Proven remembered that the achievement descriptions were up on tf2.com, and went and checked)

Wait, really? They made a kill icon for stab 'n' saps?

 

[MrPing1000]

The ambassador truly is the weapon of kings.

I'm spending a lot of time just shooting from range not bothering with cloaking. Rediculous amount of assists, and wrench spam engies are as retarded as ever.

The cloak and dagger is actually pretty useful, you can just stand in inconspicuous spots as long as you like until an opportunity presents itself or u can report back enemy defence setups.

Also got the ubersaw lol, 250hours of tf2, 45mins as medic.

 

[Ramenman]

Ive been out of the loop on TF2, whats the new drop system? You kill people and they drop the new equipment? What about equipment you already have though achievements? Can you still get the sniper/spy stuff though achievements?

From the info we had it was supposed to be like you describe, but actually you just randomly get whatever unlock the game wants to give you whenever it gives it to you.
And it can totally give you something you already have.

And no, achievements for Sniper and Spy won't give you anything.

Drops are good stop bitching and keep playing and you will eventually get some items.
Much better than achievment whoring.

I was all for drops, but they aren't drops. If they were, I would already have a FAN, a Jarate, and an Ambassador.

This is just random, it makes no sense. However I stress that I'm not uberpissed-off about it like some people. Up to one month ago I only played TF2 on 360, so I don't really care about unlocks. They're not upgrades, they're different playstyles (which is why it was a bit stupid to tie them to achievements).
I just don't understand what's happening, but I certainly don't want them to go back to the old system.


Edit : About Jarate : I had no idea it was supposed to blind you when it's thrown at you !
The first time I didn't see the Sniper who threw it and I was like "waaaaaahhh what's this shitty graphical glitch all of a sudden i don't even *gets killed*" :lol

 

[Wes]

Worst unlock system I've ever encountered.

 

[rezuth]

Drops are good stop bitching and keep playing and you will eventually get some items.
Much better than achievment whoring.

The system works but that does not make it good. If everyone will eventually get them, why even bother with drops? Just give all players the option to have them from start.

 

[MrCompletely]

finally:
Added "sv_allow_voice_from_file" convar, which defaults to 1. When set to 0, it'll prevent clients from using the "voice_inputfromfile" feature to broadcast wav files over voice


Question: Will you only get unlocks/loot drops FOR the class you are currently playing?

 

[Ramenman]

finally:
Added "sv_allow_voice_from_file" convar, which defaults to 1. When set to 0, it'll prevent clients from using the "voice_inputfromfile" feature to broadcast wav files over voice


Question: Will you only get unlocks/loot drops FOR the class you are currently playing?

I understand reading a thread is sometimes time consuming, but you have the answer on this very page...

 

[RiggenBlaque]

finally:
Added "sv_allow_voice_from_file" convar, which defaults to 1. When set to 0, it'll prevent clients from using the "voice_inputfromfile" feature to broadcast wav files over voice

This actually makes me pretty upset. I can no longer do this to some servers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgvh94jaKkU

(That sound goes on for about a minute 30 seconds)

 

[MrCompletely]

I understand reading a thread is sometimes time consuming, but you have the answer on this very page...

Would have been less keystrokes to type yes or no, and I try not to read neogaf too much while im at work.

 

[Proven]

This actually makes me pretty upset. I can no longer do this to some servers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgvh94jaKkU

(That sound goes on for about a minute 30 seconds)

Now I don't like you.

Would have been less keystrokes to type yes or no, and I try not to read neogaf too much while im at work.

Someone could argue that you could just wait until your lunch break or when you get home to find out instead.

 

[arstal]

Best solutions:

1) Earn your acheivements at 100,300,and 500 pts with the class

2) Valve quit being stupid, realize players don't WANT to unlock crap, and give it day 1.

 

[Dougald]

On another note, what the hell is with the new score listings? Why did they possibly need to change the player's class from text to an icon? Sure, they look a lot nicer, but it's so much harder for me to simply glance and see what class the team needs more/less of.

 

[RiggenBlaque]

On another note, what the hell is with the new score listings? Why did they possibly need to change the player's class from text to an icon? Sure, they look a lot nicer, but it's so much harder for me to simply glance and see what class the team needs more/less of.

AHHHHHHHHH

YOU'LL GET USED TO IT SHUT UP

 

[Fireblend]

I am enjoying the random system, and it doesn't seem to be the kind of "0.00002%" randomness as I got the boxing gloves from a hour of playing. I'll wait until Valve posts about the system though.

The icons look nice.

 

[Dougald]

AHHHHHHHHH

YOU'LL GET USED TO IT SHUT UP

Sure, but what happened to "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"? Especially when the solution is far less intuitive.

 

[rezuth]

I am enjoying the random system, and it doesn't seem to be the kind of "0.00002%" randomness as I got the boxing gloves from a hour of playing. I'll wait until Valve posts about the system though.

The icons look nice.

and what do you say to the people who played 7h and got nothing?

 

[webrunner]

The only real problem i have is duplicate drops

What possible purpose does getting another Flare Gun serve? Someone I was playing with said they got four sandviches. What's the point?

 

[fallengorn]

The only real problem i have is duplicate drops

What possible purpose does getting another Flare Gun serve? Someone I was playing with said they got four sandviches. What's the point?

Well they were suppose to have varying stats, but I don't think they've added that yet?

 

[artist]

The only real problem i have is duplicate drops

What possible purpose does getting another Flare Gun serve? Someone I was playing with said they got four sandviches. What's the point?

Partay!

 

[YYZ]

So what do you do with drops that aren't wearable? Do they just go in your inventory if you don't have them yet? You can't kill someone with a rocket launcher as a scout right?

 

[Talon]

Wow, this game is fucking terrible now. I join 4 different servers, and everyone is spy in all of them. Spy was never a popular class, can't these achievement junkies just go to achievement servers to cash in on their addictions? Nobody is even playing sniper, just spy.

Meh, I had fun last night when there were 3 Spies and 3 Snipers on every team. Got a ton of kills against inexperienced spies. :lol

 

[RiggenBlaque]

Meh, I had fun last night when there were 3 Spies and 3 Snipers on every team. Got a ton of kills against inexperienced spies. :lol

In bad spy players defense, it was really hard to be a spy last night, everyone is spy checking everywhere.

 

[Fireblend]

and what do you say to the people who played 7h and got nothing?

Turn off their computer because they play too much

Let's wait for Valve's explanation. If they're talking about it as a system I'm confident there will be more to it than a simple chance thing.

Oh and being a pyro's never been better. Granted I'm not the best ever, but I got to best my killing and damage record yesterday by burning groups of at least 4 consecutive zoomed in snipers and spies trying to approach me from behind. :lol

 

[Blizzard]

Idling overnight for 5 hours or so in my own VAC-secured server didn't appear to drop anything, old or new. I did end up moved to spec after all that time though, so I might have set the idle timer too low or maybe there's a limit. Or maybe something else was wrong. I'll try logging out of Steam and restarting stuff.

I still want to experience the joys of a scout with a minigun or rocket launcher. :lol

 

[Proven]

This is useful: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp5oFpvGZEk
Part 2 isn't up yet.

On another note, what the hell is with the new score listings? Why did they possibly need to change the player's class from text to an icon? Sure, they look a lot nicer, but it's so much harder for me to simply glance and see what class the team needs more/less of.

It's so that they can list dominations as those medals. It's something I've never requested, because I couldn't see how they could do it with the class names covering so much, but it's something I've always wanted. If you check here and there you'll quickly get used to which symbol means which, and you can scan it just as fast to figure out how much of each class you need quickly. Still, I find it much much faster to just hit ',' every once in a while while respawning so that I can just see the character models plus numbers under them.

Idling overnight for 5 hours or so in my own VAC-secured server didn't appear to drop anything, old or new. I did end up moved to spec after all that time though, so I might have set the idle timer too low or maybe there's a limit. Or maybe something else was wrong. I'll try logging out of Steam and restarting stuff.

I still want to experience the joys of a scout with a minigun or rocket launcher. :lol

I'm really starting to think problems like yours are bugs... How many of the other unlockables do you have and how did you get them?

 

[fallout]

I think people need to chill out and just wait a little bit. You weren't all frantically playing TF2 a week ago. :|

 

[firex]

The only real problem i have is duplicate drops

What possible purpose does getting another Flare Gun serve? Someone I was playing with said they got four sandviches. What's the point?

breakfast, lunch, dinner, and... fourthmeal?

 

[Blizzard]

breakfast, lunch, dinner, and... fourthmeal?

*hobbit* But what aboot second breakfast?

(As for unlocks, I have everything, got them through the achievements...and I did eventually get a weapon last night, it was just one I already had. I'm not bothered that much by it, I still have faith in Valve to patch things. )

 

[Baloonatic]

Do you guys think the blog post will be at the same time as all the sniper/spy update posts? If so then I guess I won't know anything until tomorrow.

 

[Darklord]

No, they can't.

Why are people going on about scouts and soldiers sniping then? I'm confused.

 

[Blizzard]

It's a rare glitch, Darklord. I haven't had it happen to me yet. I wish people could pick up weapons for that life, though...so all classes could use the Ambassador. Speaking of glitches, even after restarting my achievement HUD is messed up. I always see a single solid bar in the top left instead of the actual numbers...

 

[Diablohead]

Been playing for like 5 hours solid now, unlocked ubersaw (did not have) and another back burner, but before those two I unlocked heavy's football helmet:

 

[ghst]

keep grind in all forms away from tf2, please. there was nothing more glorious than last night when a whole team of spies and snipers realized there was zero extra reason to play as those classes, and promptly switched back to playing the game as usual.

i wouldn't mind some milestone based system, but tie it to the fundamentals of gameplay, not class specific grinding.

i've always detested blatent carrot-and-stick gameplay mechanics, tf2's was no different.

 

[firex]

It's a rare glitch, Darklord. I haven't had it happen to me yet. I wish people could pick up weapons for that life, though...so all classes could use the Ambassador. Speaking of glitches, even after restarting my achievement HUD is messed up. I always see a single solid bar in the top left instead of the actual numbers...

You should always see the bar, and then get the numbers as an update whenever you die and respawn if it's a damage/kills thing, or you partially fulfill the objective when it's something like 0wn the means of production as a heavy. Unless you mean the actual achievement list, in which case I can't help you! I assume you meant achievement tracking since you said the HUD and I think of the achievement listing as a menu.

edit: also, as I've said in the Online forum thread, my only real complaint so far with this update is I can't find a good stable server that will let me change my class loadout. I want to use the flare gun as pyro so I can do something against snipers I can't sneak up on.

 

[Xater]

keep grind in all forms away from tf2, please. there was nothing more glorious than last night when a whole team of spies and snipers realized there was zero extra reason to play as those classes, and promptly switched back to playing the game as usual.

i wouldn't mind some milestone based system, but tie it to the fundamentals of gameplay, not class specific grinding.

i've always detested blatent carrot-and-stick gameplay mechanics, tf2's was no different.

I wish some of the snipers and spies in my games would have listened....

The game is shitty right now. Gonna wait a few days for everything to be ironed out.

 

[Blizzard]

Just fixed itself. XD It was a bar that was overwriting part of the display instead of the right "progress" indicator showing up.

More fun with achievements: Backstabbed a soldier I was disguised as. Didn't get identity theft, but DID get "you only shiv thrice". Didn't earn that one legitimately, of course. XD

 

[yukonrye]

That pic of the heavy reminds me of..

 

[Ramenman]

Sure, but what happened to "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"? Especially when the solution is far less intuitive.

.

YOU'LL GET USED TO IT

It seems "less intuitive" because you don't really know what icons refers to what class yet.

But an icon with a particular color for each class can only be more "intuitive" than a bunch of letters all in the same color.

 

[Proven]

Another possibility that is probably untrue, what maps did you guys play on for your stuff? I got the Razorback and Dead Ringer while playing on Pipeline, and that could be for a dozen of reasons, but I only got Heavy unlocks, two of them, while playing Hoodoo.

Also, looking over my history I realized that that latest Medic Achievement I got was House Call. Despite often playing with friends, it seems I don't often activate on them. I can often find a better target, and in fact I only got it because my team had the upper hand so I felt I might as well go for that Scout/Medic combo achievement with the Kritz. The funny thing is, the achievement I got a few hours before House Call was Medic Milestone 3.

 

[Blizzard]

Got dominated by a pyro and finally got my first new weapon, the ambassador. I can die happy now. Sorta.