Azure Dream
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Team Fortress 2: The Über Update
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Nah, it becomes significantly harder to kill people with flares without crits, which is why the flare gun was buffed from granting minicrits to granting full critical hits on inflamed players.Metal-Geo said:Sounds like an upgrade to me.
As it is now, you have to land at least 2 to endanger the lives of most classes you meet with the Flare Gun (initial flare + 90 dmg for the 2nd), whereas you'll have to land 3 to achieve the same effect with the Detonator (initial flare + 45 dmg [2x]). Heavies tend to require no less than 3 with the Flare Gun (initial flare + 90 dmg [2x]), and accordingly will require 5 with the Detonator to match that damage (initial flare + 45 dmg [4x]). And you have to keep hitting that player while the afterburn is active in order to crit or minicrit.
Not impossible, but you're not going to be killing many Heavies this way, and most other classes have twice the chance at survival compared to if you were wielding the standard Flare Gun. I'm definitely excited to get my paws on the Detonator, but it isn't an upgrade in any meaningful sense of the word (assuming they go with the beta limitations, which seems likely). I'll definitely be breaking out the standard Flare Gun when I need stopping power more than the additional pathways and control the Detonator makes available to me.
Yeah, the Detonator harkens back to the Flare Gun's original role of pure harassment, as it means you either harass now by sneaking to an alternate route (e.g. on top of their head), or you just set them on fire from afar and look sad as you probably can't kill them now.
The nice thing about the burst, though, is the fact that you can use it to set multiple people on fire. So now when I'm spamming flares because the other team is taking too long to get into my flame range, I can make more of them panic at once.
Oh crap, I just realized this update is again one that makes the Medic's life more of a living hell with all the people that will be crying because they're on fire. If the alt-fire causes any and everyone in its radius to take minicrits if they're on fire, the weapon effectively has the most damage potential given to it despite trading away the killing power.
This also encourages the use of the Backscratcher, for me.
The nice thing about the burst, though, is the fact that you can use it to set multiple people on fire. So now when I'm spamming flares because the other team is taking too long to get into my flame range, I can make more of them panic at once.
Oh crap, I just realized this update is again one that makes the Medic's life more of a living hell with all the people that will be crying because they're on fire. If the alt-fire causes any and everyone in its radius to take minicrits if they're on fire, the weapon effectively has the most damage potential given to it despite trading away the killing power.
This also encourages the use of the Backscratcher, for me.
Zombie Lyle
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I know this update is going to get me obsessed with this game again.
I probably won't be on until just before or just after the update starts tonight (summer classes), but I wanted to mention one thing about the Quick Fix (assuming it gets in).
The heal speed of its uber is strong enough that it's difficult for most classes to take out either the healed person, or the Medic. Additionally, because it heals so much faster rather than just provide invincibility, it's much easier to keep multiple people alive in a multi-uber than it is with the regular invincibility uber (where you could not swap in time, or you're swapping too much to get even two people out of the red at once). That's what makes it so powerful to me.
Quicky > Uber > Kritz > Quicky. Unlike the Kritz, this is practically designed to beat the Uber, and at the same time gives the Kritz even more use (not like any medic on the GAF server needs an extra reason to use the Kritz).
The heal speed of its uber is strong enough that it's difficult for most classes to take out either the healed person, or the Medic. Additionally, because it heals so much faster rather than just provide invincibility, it's much easier to keep multiple people alive in a multi-uber than it is with the regular invincibility uber (where you could not swap in time, or you're swapping too much to get even two people out of the red at once). That's what makes it so powerful to me.
Quicky > Uber > Kritz > Quicky. Unlike the Kritz, this is practically designed to beat the Uber, and at the same time gives the Kritz even more use (not like any medic on the GAF server needs an extra reason to use the Kritz).
Weenerz said:
No, I think you're right. If Valve aren't lying about leaving the Engineer out of the update, the Medic is the only one left. I wouldn't put it past them to tease the shit out of it and update at a totally different time from the previous ones; but it'll most likely come tonight.
balladofwindfishes
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While we're waiting, this TF2 video is utterly amazing
http://youtu.be/-OsF0O5vd1s
What if Heavy was spy?
http://youtu.be/-OsF0O5vd1s
What if Heavy was spy?
UnluckyKate
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Chinner said:
Okay I laugh waaaay more than I should have to
How are you going to launch yourself at a sentry? That seems like trying to rocketjump into a sentry. Even heavies, who presumably weigh 3,000 pounds, go FLYING if a sentry rocket touches them and they're in the air.Botolf said:
You're complaining about the pyro finally potentially getting a buff? Did you see they even PREEMPTIVELY buffed the new demo set because they felt pyros were too powerful against that particular optional set?Metal-Geo said:Sounds like an upgrade to me.
So relax, chances are that even a new pyro weapon might end up nerfed if it's good.
It used to be +25% vulnerability, but they changed it to 25% self-vulnerability. basically you take more damage from the flare that you use to jump and that's it.Servizio said:
Detonator uses the old flare gun crit attributes. It mini crits burning players at close range, but crits them at long range. So at long distance it's still just as good as the flare and at short distance you can use your flare jumping to get in close and use your flamethrower.Proven said:
The manual explosion damage doesn't do crits or minicrits. It does basically no damage (dealt like 5 damage last time I tried it), it's just useful for setting a group of people on fire at once from a distance. As far as I'm concerned the detonator is a straight upgrade to the flare gun, which is why I expected them to just change the flare gun's stats rather than making it a whole new weapon.
While a lot of the new weapons look like fun, I really only see two that I'm salivating over. The detonator is a must and the soda popper may be worth it, depending on charge time. I'm going to get that scout mask and paint it black along with some black essential accessories.
Technosteve
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Engine needs a helper dog that fetches metal.
Grimm Fandango
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Just so people can get ready, the Detonator should cost a Flare Gun and a reclaimed metal (3 scrap) to craft.
balladofwindfishes
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Probably a flaregun and scrap.Grimm Fandango said:
Valve has toned down the needed metal for recipes
QueenOfThorns
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Oh man, the new flaregun looks awesome. Reinstalling TF2 today for sure. I haven't played in a long while, so this should be fun.
EmCeeGramr
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Lionel Mandrake
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I haven't been paying much attention to this. Around what time have the updates been occurring? I'm really excited for a new Meet The... video.
snoopeasystreet
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EmCeeGramr said:
Imagine if meet the medic wasn't a video but a single player campaign. I would cum bucketloads.
Sgt.Pepper
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A campaign mode would be sweet, but it will never happen.EmCeeGramr said:
NihonTiger90
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Jzero15 said:at what time is the update going to arrive? i though it would be here by now since the store updates like at 10 am PST
Btw: the detonator is pretty cool, liked using it in the beta
Epic
Probably this evening.
The Omega Man
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I am guessing this update will be around 1gb or even more
Dreams-Visions
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you mean you had the nerve to UNINSTALL Team Fortress 2?masterofcoin said:
Is this real life???
Dreams-Visions
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I'd buy the shit out of that.EmCeeGramr said:
You can imagine how many storylines and episodic content they could generate.
It's made to print money.
Depends on the new Engy items, because obviously the Pyro update about the engy was trollolololol.Dechaios said:
Actually, I have a bunch of materials saved up, so if there's something I really want but can't craft, yeah, i'll probably buy it.
I feel terrible buying DLC sometimes, but, I think this would be a good time...
QueenOfThorns
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Dreams-Visions said:you mean you had the nerve to UNINSTALL Team Fortress 2?
Is this real life???
I..I needed the space! This partition only has 40GB! ..There is no excuse, is there?
That campaign mode would be amazing.