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Technically speaking whats the best CGI in a film today?

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Solo said:
As with everything (even moreso on GAF), when something gets really popular, there will always be a very vocal opposition to it. When that particular thing becomes more popular than anything else in history, that opposition only gets louder and larger.

Every single person on GAF who loves to rip on the movie will be there for Part 2. Every. Single. One.
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Whilst what you say is true to an extent. There are plenty of people, as myself, who genuinely don't like it. It has nothing to do with how popular it is. I love any amount of really popular things. I can also tell you, as with many a film that I've not liked the first instalment of I will not be there for Avatar part two, because simply, it's not for me. So there goes the every single one theory.
 
I still have my doubts that its feasible to deliver ABADAH 2 and 3 within a year of eachother. My guess is that 2 hits its 2014 date while 3 gets pushed back a year to 2016. The post-production cycle on ONE film is enormous, let alone on two.
 
Vulcano's assistant said:
I say AVATAR, and this is why:

You can't really compare Davy Jones' to Naeytiri's face. We have evolved to recognize human faces so between two representations, an octopus or a portrait, the last one tends to look less realistic even though they have the same amount of effort and skill put into them:
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Navis aren´t human either.

Also, Jones isn't an octopus, He has a human-like face with tentacles. Is no more "alien" than an elongated human-like blue face.
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ckohler said:
I sincerely believe that people who say Avatar's Navi looked fake or plastic are deluding themselves. My guess is they are confusing their knowledge that the Navi are fake and equating that to them also LOOKING fake by default.

I for one know the Navi are make believe, but i am also absolutely certain that what I saw on screen looked totally photorealistic.
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Not going to call them haters but I honestly think those people who say it looked plastic just didn't like the movie or couldn't see past their dislike for the movie to appreciate how good the CG is.

It's not perfect though. The one scene that always looks fake to me is Jake running through the garden in his hospital gown. The movement of the fabric isn't that good, but cloth simulation is one of the hardest things to achieve.

One movie no one has mentioned yet is Tangled, for the hair physics alone.
 
Solo said:
Every single person on GAF who loves to rip on the movie will be there for Part 2. Every. Single. One.
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Nah, I went to Avatar one giving Cameron one last chance to rock my face like his old films could, Avatar did not rock my face, and for such a well worn idea the script was dull and and in a lot of ways poorly put together.
 
Scullibundo said:
You also have to take into account that you're the only one here saying they look unrealistic.
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No I'm not. Nor am I the only one outside of GAF. Just because I am able to perceive their inherent CG-ness and a majority aren't doesn't make me invalid.

In fact, even the people not outright saying they don't look photoreal are going "and Avatar 2 will look even better". If the Navi are already photoreal, how could they look better?

Your position of "Navi look photoreal you're only seeing CG because you want to" is exactly the same as saying "Navi are the best CG will ever look. It literally cannot look any better than this. We're done" which is preposterous.
 
Danne-Danger said:
They shouldn't have showed his face like that in the real world. Otherwise yeah, pretty impressive (and very fitting) when he's displayed like that on the grid.


Still, overall TRON: Legacy uses CGI better than Avatar. Much, much better. Though I guess it's technically inferior and they didn't spend as much money on it.
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I laughed real hard at this, Tron Legacy sucks major balls.
 
B_Rik_Schitthaus said:
Nah, I went to Avatar one giving Cameron one last chance to rock my face like his old films could, Avatar did not rock my face, and for such a well worn idea the script was dull and and in a lot of ways poorly put together.
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Brofist.


WrikaWrek said:
Tron is a disgrace.
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It's OST will still be better than all of Avatar movies combined.
 
Suairyu said:
No they look CG because they're CG. The Navi just never look photoreal.
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They don't look like anything we have ever seen so they must be CG; that is the crux. Cameron didn't want to make it look like people in makeup, he wanted them to look a certain way, something truly alien. Hate on the artistic direction but not on the CGI; the way the lighting and the intuitiveness of the model mesh was done it was damn near photo-real but it made in such a way that it was 'obviously' (to us at least) not real because we haven't seen anything like it, the closest we have is other CGI creations from the past, its only in close ups we can see just how detailed the actual thing and a lot of that is lost in wide shots or even slightly far away shots. Even Davy Jones had sense of familiarity with whole half octopus man thing, and it 'looked' like it could have been made with makeup because that is how the producers WANTED it to look and it was the goal they set out for.

Is Avatars CG perfect? No, there were some shots that were not up to part either from cutting corners or just not enough time to make the models. (The mass Navi scenes looked the most fake because you can actually see the difference between the main Navi characters and the rest of them). The fire scene in the jungle when Jake first finds Neyteri has always made me cringe, even when I first saw it, the fire particles in that scene and the way the fire moves clearly makes the whole thing feel fake. But these scenes and a couple select others are only few and far between and most of it looks damn real even if our mind won't always accept it because we have nothing else to base it on other then other clearly fake things made through CG.
 
Suairyu said:
No I'm not. Nor am I the only one outside of GAF. Just because I am able to perceive their inherent CG-ness and a majority aren't doesn't make me invalid.

In fact, even the people not outright saying they don't look photoreal are going "and Avatar 2 will look even better". If the Navi are already photoreal, how could they look better?

Your position of "Navi look photoreal you're only seeing CG because you want to" is exactly the same as saying "Navi are the best CG will ever look. It literally cannot look any better than this. We're done" which is preposterous.
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Hey friend, maybe you ought to actually read who is posting this position before you level it at me.

All my post was stressing was that you're not going to convince a lot of us and we're not going to convince you.
 
Look at dis plastic looking shite

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Looks even better in motion
 
Kylehimself said:
Firstly, I'm a self confessed Avatar hater. Film was garbage. Now from a CG point of view, you can't knock it. Clearly the effort and the quality is there for all to see. That said, the screen you posted does not look like a a real person in make up. It clearly looks CG, really good CG, but CG none the less. I can honestly say that there was no point during Avatar that I thought the Navi looked real. As others have said, they looked plasticy.
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Does this look plastic to you?

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mantidor said:
Navis aren´t human either.

Also, Jones isn't an octopus, He has a human-like face with tentacles. Is no more "alien" than an elongated human-like blue face.
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true, but the navi's skin is similar to ours, and they have faces very like the human. If the navi were made with octopus skin they would look more convincing because we are not looking at cephalopods every day.
 
WrikaWrek said:
Tron is a disgrace.
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Well I can actually watch Tron all the way through so it must be at least 6 times better than Avatar since I can only watch it for a short time before using a photo of James Cameron to wipe my ass!
 
irfan said:
It's OST will still be better than all of Avatar movies combined.
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It sounds nice, but it didn't work in the film, and there's only one Avatar movie.

Unless you are also counting The Last Airbender's score, in which case Tron has already lost.
 
Brettison said:
Rango is awesome!
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Bu bu bu Ahbudar wont be topped!!!1


Willy105 said:
It sounds nice, but it didn't work in the film, and there's only one Avatar movie.

Unless you are also counting The Last Airbender's score, in which case Tron has already lost.
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What? The OST worked awesome in Tron. Almost all tracks fit it like a glove, which is hardly the case for movies these days.

And yeah I was only talking about Avatar .. assuming Horner screws it.
 
Scullibundo said:
Hey friend, maybe you ought to actually read who is posting this position before you level it at me.

All my post was stressing was that you're not going to convince a lot of us and we're not going to convince you.
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I am arguing against people who think the Navi are photoreal. To be photoreal means 'real', as in, cannot get better. You can't look more real than real.

So, either you're saying the Navi are photoreal, in which case you're saying they are the best CGI can ever achieve, or you're agreeing with me that they are not photoreal, that CGI can get better still.

Have I misread something? Because you seemed to be arguing they were photoreal.
 
Willy105 said:
It sounds nice, but it didn't work in the film, and there's only one Avatar movie.

Unless you are also counting The Last Airbender's score, in which case Tron has already lost.
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lol yeah, the music in Tron was used so poorly.

Tron is easily as bad as Revenge of the Fallen.
 
MetalAlien said:
Well I can actually watch Tron all the way through so it must be at least 6 times better than Avatar since I can only watch it for a short time before using a photo of James Cameron to wipe my ass!
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Avatar is been there done that but I got some new tits to show you. TRON was trailer park trash.
 
Dead said:
lol yeah, the music in Tron was used so poorly.

Tron is easily as bad as Revenge of the Fallen.
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Derezzed, an awesome track, was hilariously ruined by that epic failure that I don't even want to call an action scene - because it brings shame on real action scenes - in the nightclub.

Amateur fucking hour from start to finish is what TRON is.
 
To the folks who watched Avatar and said the Navi did not look photoreal, were you able to identify the human CG scenes as well?
 
Solo said:
Derezzed, an awesome track, was hilariously ruined by that epic failure that I don't even want to call an action scene - because it brings shame on real action scenes - in the nightclub.

Amateur fucking hour from start to finish is what TRON is.
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Haha, yeah that was hilarious. Like a low rent attempt at a scene from the matrix sequels (lol!) Though that kinda describes the whole movie.
 
Rengoku said:
To the folks who watched Avatar and said the Navi did not look photoreal, were you able to identify the human CG scenes as well?
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Shhh.... don't tell them about that. Makes it some much more fun!
 
Solo said:
As with everything (even moreso on GAF), when something gets really popular, there will always be a very vocal opposition to it. When that particular thing becomes more popular than anything else in history, that opposition only gets louder and larger.

Every single person on GAF who loves to rip on the movie will be there for Part 2. Every. Single. One.
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I didn't like Avatar because of the story, I cringed almost every damn time something happened, but of course I'll be there for part 2. There is so much potential, and that was why I didn't like it the first time around. Of all the things Cameron could have done with this world he chose that same old boring story, but now that it's done, I have faith that he will deliver something - story wise - worth the amount of work that was put on screen. It was also the best experience I've ever had in theater despite hating everything about the story. Really weird love-hate relationship with this film :lol
 
Rengoku said:
To the folks who watched Avatar and said the Navi did not look photoreal, were you able to identify the human CG scenes as well?
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I can honestly say I can't remember because I haven't seen it since it was released. I only mention the Navi because I'm constantly reminded of what they look like.
 
Suairyu said:
I am arguing against people who think the Navi are photoreal. To be photoreal means 'real', as in, cannot get better. You can't look more real than real.

So, either you're saying the Navi are photoreal, in which case you're saying they are the best CGI can ever achieve, or you're agreeing with me that they are not photoreal, that CGI can get better still.

Have I misread something? Because you seemed to be arguing they were photoreal.
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To be photoreal means that it scatters, refracts, and reflects light convincingly enough to pass for actual photography, and it can get better.
 
Max Armstrong said:
I didn't like Avatar because of the story, I cringed almost every damn time something happened, but of course I'll be there for part 2. There is so much potential, and that was why I didn't like it the first time around. Of all the things Cameron could have done with this world he chose that same old boring story, but now that it's done, I have faith that he will deliver something - story wise - worth the amount of work that was put on screen. It was also the best experience I've ever had in theater despite hating everything about the story. Really weird love-hate relationship with this film :lol
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I don't think you'll be disappointed with 2. This is a man who knows how to do a sequel right.

In fact, I suspect there will be a lot of people who hated, disliked or were lukewarm on 1 who will end up loving 2.
 
Solo said:
Shhh.... don't tell them about that. Makes it some much more fun!
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Was there ever a close up on a CG human?
The ones walking around some of the back drops did stand out.


WrikaWrek said:
Dude, TRON sucks come on.
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It has 200 percent Jeff Bridges, at that extremely high level of Jeff Bridges its impossible to suck.
 
Vulcano's assistant said:
To be photoreal means that it scatters, refracts, and reflects light convincingly enough to pass for actual photography, and it can get better.
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How could you tell it is getting better if it already does everything so well it passes for real photography?
 
Solo said:
I don't think you'll be disappointed with 2. This is a man who knows how to do a sequel right.

In fact, I suspect there will be a lot of people who hated, disliked or were lukewarm on 1 who will end up loving 2.
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I don't have issues with the story as its based on a trope that allows for a lot of things I love in movies (world building, exploration, etc, etc), so for me it worked perfectly.

But theres no denying that there are several things that could have spiced it up. And those things were in the script to begin with, whether its the 1994 script, or the 2007 one. At least the extended cut presents a fuller version of the story, with some cool extra bits thrown in the deleted scenes. Just one of the drawbacks of being what must have been the largest budgeted film of all time. There was no way Cameron was going to be able to release a 200 minute film.
 
Whenever I watch Avatar, I totally have what can only be called a "warm-up period" to the CGI. Like, I start watching it, and it all looks fake as shit. But once I get used to them, maybe 30-40 minutes in, they may as well be real.
I still stand by the T-Rex coming out of the cage in the rain is the BEST CGI of all time.

SalsaShark said:
Attack the Block used various technics to make the aliens (dudes in suits, rotoscoping, etc) that were incredibly fresh and gave it a very distinctive look.
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Are there any videos or places online I can read about how they did the aliens? They looked SO cool but I honestly could not figure out what technique they were using to make them.


Dead said:
Dont agree that its the same

Toy Story was still regarded as a childrens film, in the end it was simply animation and was never regarded as anything more.
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Don't be an ass. Back then and especially now Toy Story is seen as much, much, much more than just a children's film. What a bunch of crap. If it wasn't for Toy Story, none of these other movies like Avatar would even exist. Toy Story isn't just A milestone for CGI animation in movies, it is THE milestone that started everything.


WrikaWrek said:
Toy Story 3 got grown men crying. Nobody cried with Avatar, maybe they cried of laughter when Zoe saldana started crying, holy shit was that cringe worthy.
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This too. They surveys people coming out of theaters seeing TS3 and over 70% of people said they cried during the climax of the film. Twitter, Facebook, the internet in general was on fire with how emotionally destructive the last 20 minutes of your "children's film" are.


B_Rik_Schitthaus said:
He's real, just looks fake cus' he's such a fucking terrible actor.
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This made me LOL pretty hard XD


macuser1of5 said:
seriously fuck those beads and feathers.
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I know ;____; So close....
 
Scullibundo said:
Hey friend, maybe you ought to actually read who is posting this position before you level it at me.

All my post was stressing was that you're not going to convince a lot of us and we're not going to convince you.
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The timing of Dead's post below this was outstanding.

This has been a debatable topic before, but not since Avatar's release.
 
irfan said:
Brofist.
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I find it odd that you're brofisting somebody who is claiming they won't go see the second film. Especially when you went for repeat viewings of the first film.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19008287&postcount=7078
I'm with Solo on this one. I didnt think Avatar did anything revolutionary or even evolutionary in terms of 3D, some scenes were awesome in 3D but the whole experience wasnt on the same level. In short, I might go for my next viewing in 2D. James Cameron is one smart SOB. :lol
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Oh my, you're even siding with Solo on something. How embarrassing for you.
 
TRON Legacy is straight-up garbage. Written and directed by people that had no idea what the fuck they were doing.
 
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