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[Vashetti]

Is it really a victory when the majority of those that bought it have moved on to smartphones and tablets and have no intention of coming back?

The Wii was it's own worst enemy. It created gamers out of people that had never played games before, and then the smartphone boom happened.

 

[Nilaul]

Why does profit matter ? Most of the games people played this gen were on X360/PS3.


It sold a lot but it wasn't NES or PS2. Most of games this gen were on other platforms than Wii.

Arguably most of the games people this gen where Nintendo games on the WiiU.

3RD parties won on XBOX360/PS4, Nintendo won on Wii. In the end all consumers won.

 

[Manmademan]

Therefore: PS2 won the battle but lost the war.

I don't recall PS2 sales ever "falling off a cliff" and being outsold by the Xbox and Gamecube for the rest of the gen. it started out market leader and stayed that way. The WiiU is also selling NOWHERE CLOSE to PS3 sales. It's BEST month in 2013 is about as high as the worst month for the PS3, ever.

In fact, the goodwill from the PS2 is the *only* reason the PS3 sold as well as it did for the first several years. Its was the PS3's strategy that was responsible for low PS3 sales, not the PS2 destroying third party relations and losing the interest of core gamers.

not a good comparison.

 

[Coffee Dog]

hilarious how angry everyone is getting already.

Nintendo won the console war 7th gen. Deal.

 

[Gamerloid]

Why does profit matter ? Most of the games people played this gen were on X360/PS3.


It sold a lot but it wasn't NES or PS2. Most of games this gen were on other platforms than Wii.

Profits definitely matters. It's what matters the most to me. Maybe I just have the thoughts of a businessman, but nobody makes a game system without the goal of making the most money. Xbox and PlayStation didn't do so well. If you're not making money, you're losing. The love of the gamers don't matter in that case.

 

[Vashetti]

This is insane, the PS3 won't sell 20 million more units even if you keep it in the market for five years.

The PS2 sold many more millions after the PS3 came out.

The PS3 still has plenty of wiggle room for price cuts, it's going to sell for years to come.

 

[DragonSworne]

Is it really a victory when the majority of those that bought it have moved on to smartphones and tablets and have no intention of coming back?

The Wii was it's own worst enemy. It created gamers out of people that had never played games before, and then the smartphone boom happened.

Nintendo only have themselves to blame. Wii was antiquated by 2009 and Nintendo did nothing to keep their audience. They kept milking the weak hardware.

Apple provided better technology and better experiences

 

[Coffee Dog]

Is it really a victory when the majority of those that bought it have moved on to smartphones and tablets and have no intention of coming back?

The Wii was it's own worst enemy. It created gamers out of people that had never played games before, and then the smartphone boom happened.

Yeah? Microsoft and Sony would trade their sales for the wii's any day of the week.

 

[dimb]

PS3 and 360 only picked up because they both had to revitalize their brands. Slimmer, cheaper, less intimidating consoles. Family- and casual-oriented campaigns like Move and Kinect.

The Wii didn't invent this. All major consoles have gone this way later in life.

 

[Sadist]

Wii: *laughs*

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

Yeah? Microsoft and Sony would trade their sales for the wii's any day of the week.

especially if you factor in money lost on each hardware unit

 

[goomba]

False claims tend to do that.

What false claim?

So salty in here.

 

[Majmun]

But the Ps3 and X360 also won the war according to the same site.

Which link to believe???

 

[Manmademan]

The PS2 sold many more millions after the PS3 came out.

The PS3 still has plenty of wiggle room for price cuts, it's going to sell for years to come.

the ps2 sold *50 million* units after the PS3 launch. a full third of the overall sales for it. huge.

The PS3 will probably sell for a long time to come, since the PS3 has greater functionality, emerging markets (Brazil) are much stronger, and Sony isn't completely reliant on retail to supply games for it anymore thanks to PSN.

 

[javac]

Wii wasn't killed off early. Microsoft and Sony just dragged this gen on longer then it has historically.

 

[Nilaul]

Nintendo only have themselves to blame. Wii was antiquated by 2009 and Nintendo did nothing to keep their audience. They kept milkong the weak hardware.

Apple provided better technology and better experiences

Apple didn't provide better experiences; they just had more cheap shovelware apps which only gave the illusion of experience.

 

[ASIS]

I don't recall PS2 sales ever "falling off a cliff" and being outsold by the Xbox and Gamecube for the rest of the gen. it started out market leader and stayed that way. The WiiU is also selling NOWHERE CLOSE to PS3 sales. It's BEST month in 2013 is about as high as the worst month for the PS3, ever.

In fact, the goodwill from the PS2 is the *only* reason the PS3 sold as well as it did for the first several years. Its was the PS3's strategy that was responsible for low PS3 sales, not the PS2 destroying third party relations and losing the interest of core gamers.

not a good comparison.

lol you are right, I was just being a tease.

 

[TheSpaceBetween]

This is BS. The attach rate was basically on the same level than the HD consoles.

As was the quality and quantity of software... It's just unfortunate that the vast majority of it was ignored.

 

[Seeds]

It won battle but lost the war.

Good to see that people have moved on from denial and anger, and are now at bargaining.

 

[I Wanna Be The Guy]

"NO my console of choice won!!"

You're being sarcastic but this is exactly true. The true "winner" is the one that gives the gamer the most enjoyment. Damn right I consider my console of choice the winner. I don't need somebody to tell me what the sales numbers are to validate that.

 

[UtterlyPerplexed]

I think it's worth pointing out that Techradar has individual articles for all three consoles and why each of them have won the console war. And they're written by writers of the consoles' respective magazines, and therefore not Techradar opinion.

(which kind of makes this thread even more hilarious)

 

[Atolm]

This is BS. The attach rate was basically on the same level than the HD consoles.



This is insane, the PS3 won't sell 20 million more units even if you keep it in the market for five years.

It will, and easily. PS2 sold 50M after PS3 release.

 

[Manmademan]

Yeah? Microsoft and Sony would trade their sales for the wii's any day of the week.

I don't think so.

You think MS or Sony would trade an additional 20 million units for the PS3 or Xbox TODAY, in exchange for

1.) Selling zero current gen hardware or current gen software period from this point on and

2.) Their next gen platforms being completely irrelevant?

The only one who would be looking to make any kind of switch right now is nintendo.

 

[MisterHero]

not really. this has been debated to death already.

If it's a win, that victory is clearly Pyrrhic, since Wii sales fell off a cliff in 2011, never recovered, and the wii strategy re: third parties and hardcore gamers has made it impossible for the WiiU to be anything more than a historical curiosity.

Sony and Microsoft are in MUCH better shape as their current gen consoles are still selling and will continue to sell for several more years, and their next gen consoles are poised to break records at release.

For "losing" consoles, they seem to be doing pretty well, and the "winner" is in very, very dire straits.

Nintendo could not hope to spend what Sony/MS did to get the PS360 to float. They weren't even fighting the same problem, and my prior post indicated that MS/Sony admitted their ideas [as much as gamers value them] were too costly.

Nintendo did their own thing made a mountain of money. Why does it matter what the others do when the situations are barely similar?

If you're praising PS360 for "being able to last several more years", then you probably shouldn't have a problem with Wii U. Wait a minute.

The Wii didn't invent this. All major consoles have gone this way later in life.

Wii's only model debuted as a price-friendly device, FAR cheaper than the best models of PS360. That's the difference. The games were cheaper too.

 

[Gamerloid]

Apple didn't provide better experiences; they just had more cheap shovelware which only gave the illusion of experience.

Apple didn't provide a better experience, but they provided a fun one regardless. No illusion at all.

It will, and easily. PS2 sold 50M after PS3 release.

Maybe, but it surely won't be easy.

 

[Kimawolf]

It's really this simple.

Sony or MS will GLADY take the wii's sales in exchange for their own.

ANY software would take Nintendo's sales/IPS in a heartbeat.

That is all there is to say. so yes, it won the last generation.

 

[Coffee Dog]

I don't think so.

You think MS or Sony would trade an additional 20 million units for the PS3 or Xbox TODAY, in exchange for

1.) Selling zero current gen software or current gen software period from this point on and

2.) Their next gen platforms being completely irrelevant?

The only one who would be looking to make any kind of switch right now is nintendo.

Can you point to where I brought that up at all? You're moving the goalpost. We are talking strictly sales and who won the console war.

 

[Nilaul]

Apple didn't provide a better experience, but they provided a fun one regardless. No illusion at all.

Yeah a few of them are fun (thanks to a few remarkable indie developers) but the general picture is meh.

 

[Vashetti]

the ps2 sold *50 million* units after the PS3 launch. a full third of the overall sales for it. huge.

The PS3 will probably sell for a long time to come, since the PS3 has greater functionality, emerging markets (Brazil) are much stronger, and Sony isn't completely reliant on retail to supply games for it anymore thanks to PSN.

Thank you for wording it better than I did.

Anyone who thinks that the PS3 will just stop selling once the PS4 comes out needs to look at the PS2, and the PS1 before that.

The PS3 will be Sony's third console to pass 100 million sales. A phenomenal achievement.

 

[1st Course]

Had the most sales.

Had the worst overall game catalog, by far.

It won battle but lost the war.

The console everyone bought that collected the biggest amount if dust from not being played after the 1st few days

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[Broken Joystick]

http://needsmorejpeg.com/

The whole idea of a console war is ridiculous in the first place.

 

[Nilaul]

http://needsmorejpeg.com/

The whole idea of a console war is ridiculous in the first place.

 

[Relix]

They sold year 2000 tech at $350. And sold bazillions. It was a major success. It fully went mainstream. Nintendo fucked up the last 2 years of its life and its the worst Nintendo console ever (not even the magic that is Galaxy can save it) and I fucking hated playing SD games, but I can't deny it was a major, major success.

 

[Roto13]

You people are going to hurt yourselves. The Wii sold more individual units and made more money than either of its competitors. It won the generation. Deal with it.

 

[vctor182]

And yet still gave more satisfaction to the woman then the 360 and PS3 finishing properly

 

[Perkel]

It's really this simple.

Sony or MS will GLADY take the wii's sales in exchange for their own.
ANY software would take Nintendo's sales/IPS in a heartbeat.

That is all there is to say. so yes, it won the last generation.

Sold most yes. But it is hardly a win when most of major games were not on it.

 

[MYE]

People are already getting mad in this thread, this is going to be good.

Yes it is lol

Many chortles shall be had at the expense of salty posters.

 

[JordanN]

Eh, if the Wii was so great, why are there 2 other consoles close to it in sales and have a library that actually bests it in some ways?

It won sure, but I don't think it's cut and dry to say it also "kicked their ass". I also don't buy the "they dropped out early" excuse. Even SNES managed to survive into 2003. Wii completely fizzing out in its last year is an industry oddity.

 

[EventHorizon]

It brought families together in the living room to share a round of virtual bowling, it got grandparents and grandkids going head to head for some Wii Tennis. It was Nintendo's plan from the start and it worked marvelously.

I hate to break it to the poor guy but that hasn't happened in over 5 years. It was replace with the Kinect for the shortest of time before the uber casuals went off to play Facebook games. Now the Wii is more remember as "that dust magnet in the corner".

 

[Zalman]

You people are going to hurt yourselves. The Wii sold more individual units and made more money than either of its competitors. It won the generation. Deal with it.

And it also had the game of the generation.

The console fully deserves it IMO.

 

[Funky Functionality]

http://m.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/how-the-playstation-3-won-the-console-war-1196215

They have a ps3 winning article and a 360 winning article. Just post all 3

seriously guys let's all just shake and get out of here

 

[Zombie James]

No, it was the Nintendo Wii that defined this gaming generation.

If the generation lasted from 2007-2010, sure, and even that's debatable. It came in hot and fizzled out just as quickly while it's competition is still going (relatively) strong.

 

[friskykillface]

everyone won this gen , they all get trophies

Wii started off strong but fizzled in the end and xbox 360 and PS3 caught up.

 

[Perkel]

Thank you for wording it better than I did.

Anyone who thinks that the PS3 will just stop selling once the PS4 comes out needs to look at the PS2, and the PS1 before that.

The PS3 will be Sony's third console to pass 100 million sales. A phenomenal achievement.

But it won't sell 20 mln just like that. PS3 was released in normal timeframe of console live.
Next gen consoles are long overdue this gen was too long and i don't think people will stay for long on last gen consoles

 

[TAS]

This is going to piss of a lot of people here.

The truth hurts

 

[MYE]

This is going to piss of a lot of people here.

This is a good thing in this case

 

[Gamerloid]

Eh, if the Wii was so great, why are there 2 other consoles close to it in sales and have a library that actually bests it in some ways?

It won sure, but I don't think it's cut and dry to say it also "kicked their ass". I also don't buy the "they dropped out early" excuse. Even SNES managed to survive into 2003. Wii completely fizzing out in its last year is an industry oddity.

They didn't drop out early, it's weak hardware couldn't survive the later years. No way in heck, but that's what happens when you make such a weak system. Regardless, it did kick their butts. I can easily say that because the Wii was great financial success while the 360 and PS3 were bad for business.

 

[Lexxism]

This is going to piss of a lot of people here.

Yeah. I just loved the salty posts here.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

No, it sold the most software units as well.

It really did? That's very surprising to me. Even excluding the bundled-in Wii Sports?

I know Nintendo first party titles sold well, but I didn't think that would be enough to push Wii U to no. 1 in software sales.

 

[Kangi]

Still stuck in the "denial" phase, eh? I mean, talk finances here, which is what matters since we're talking about companies.

Yes, the console that sold 20+ million more and made billions for its company won over the consoles that got third party support at the cost of bleeding billions out of themselves and the industry, and then made money that is piddly in comparison many years later after an extended generation.

Sony lost everything they got with PS/2 and basically had to start from scratch after their blunders, and MS would be buried in this industry if they didn't change their marketing strategy to center around the follow-the-leader cash-in that was Kinect.