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Tecmo Announces Tecmo Bowl: Kickoff for DS
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DeaconKnowledge
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Gotta love that quote.
Stormbringer
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Well, you know, it's always a bit surprising to see a publisher trusting the market potential of the Wii and the DS regarding certain types of games, instead of going by the knee-jerk reaction. At least it is to me.GreenNight said:
Yep, that makes sense. In fact, that's pretty much where I was going to get at, if it wasn't for my inability to put it correctly in my original post.
Oh, yes, I was just going to ask for some possible answers in the EGM article. Thanks for that. Pretty interesting indeed...ZealousD said:
JohnTinker
Limbaugh Parrot
As long as the special abilities aren't like the Gamebreakers in NFL Street I suppose it could be okay. The "flame" in Blitz wasn't all that hard to break on the opponent
Yea well I am sure it will do just fine but why put all your eggs in one basket? Do sports games sell that well on the DS? As for the wii do I really need to reiterate that in the first month, Madden 08 sold more copies on the ORIGINAL XBOX than it did on the wii?
Oh wait I just did.
Oh wait I just did.
_Alkaline_
Member
Stormbringer said:
It's suprising but also very refreshing. I'd love to see a few high-profile publishers take a 'risk' and put a high-budget FPS or RPG on the system. But, for now, this a promising sign for the Wii.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
bdouchey said:
ya nintenblows
bdouchey said:
Instead of quoting your tag at you (which is hard to resist) I will point out this is not comparable to Madden for several reasons, not the least of which is the Tecmo Bowl name will not have the same power and marketability as the Madden name, and also that the game will not be launching on all platforms as was the case for Madden. Tecmo Bowl is not a yearly installment type of game, it is one which will probably be more like a traditional game and will garner interest in much the same way as any exclusive does.
Plus, hey, Tecmo made up their mind, so what happens happens now, right?
DeaconKnowledge
Member
bdouchey said:
Do you think the people interested in this game and nostalgic for Tecmo Bowl are going to care about "bad programming"?
All they'll care about is being able to take a de-facto Bo Jackson and run him in circles around the defense.
DeaconKnowledge
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bdouchey said:
You SERIOUSLY expect the average Madden player to absorb this as well as Madden? These two games are in direct competition with each other,
bdouchey said:
If you're going to suggest nothing in the market has changed in 15 years, then you're beyond hope. What exactly about my points did not make sense? Madden is the game that sells millions year after year and has instant brand recognition - a Tecmo Bowl revival will have to reinvent itself and offer something new and absolutely not be able to rely on things the same way Madden does. Even if it were released on all platforms, if it had the kind of marketing the Madden games are given, it would likely just bomb.
HELLO!!!
NINTENDO!!!
Still waiting for Eyeshield 21 to come over to the states
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHWsRGuhcds
But some good ole fashioned Tecmo will tide me over
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PBvOxicz-0
NINTENDO!!!
Still waiting for Eyeshield 21 to come over to the states
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHWsRGuhcds
But some good ole fashioned Tecmo will tide me over
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PBvOxicz-0
I guess we shall have to wait and see. Maybe we need some lifetime ban bets for those who doubt me. I am at 100% on those, even though I let the poor soul who lost off the hook.
You stick Tecmo Bowl on XBL or PSN and Madden players (aka most sports gamers) would swallow it up in droves.
You stick Tecmo Bowl on XBL or PSN and Madden players (aka most sports gamers) would swallow it up in droves.
Eteric Rice
Member
Depends on how much they advertise. As I said before, the Wii's fanbase will buy games. But the problem is that they don't keep up with gaming news, so they don't know when anything worth while is coming out.
If you tell them, they will come.
Or something.
If you tell them, they will come.
Or something.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
bdouchey said:
So instead of a full retail release you want them to relegate it to PSN or Live Arcade.
Brilliant.
bdouchey said:
Right, you never implied anything, did you?
bdouchey said:
bdouchey said:
Now you're just being childish if you're trying to suggest you didn't imply it would do better on those platforms than Wii. And yes, a ban bet can be on anything, but you never made any sort of claim that is in any way quantifiable or measurable. You went under the pretense of inquiring into whether or not good sales are possible on the Wii (very original argument, never heard that one before), but never definitively made a statement, so the question is what are we supposedly doubting you on that you want a ban bet on?
bdouchey said:
Holy shit are you for real? You're saying a game that hasn't had an incarnation in a decade and you know no details of isn't worth full price?
DeaconKnowledge
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bdouchey said:
How can I answer this; we haven't seen it.
My contention is that you're already admitting by your insistence on Live/PSN that this title couldn't hold its own on the HD consoles as a full release, which is the reason this title debuted for Wii/DS in the first place.
Actually, DD might've been a good route for Tecmo Bowl... but honestly, it has a chance to reach a far, far bigger audience the way it's headed.
It's success or failure is really all up to how Tecmo handles it imo. Could easily go either way, though that's no different on the Xboxes or PlayStations really.
It's success or failure is really all up to how Tecmo handles it imo. Could easily go either way, though that's no different on the Xboxes or PlayStations really.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Super Tecmo Bowl remains my favorite football game of all time. I'll be missing the NFL liscense, but the custom teams/cities thing will be REALLY cool.
Between the DS and Wii I think they have a chance of doing better while offering something new. We are only seeing this revival for the same reason we are getting another Fatal Frame: The development costs and risk of failure are lower and the total userbase is huge, there probably wouldnt be a new Tecmo Bowl for bdouchey to use as a excuse to troll if it wasnt for the Wii/DS.
jarrod said:
Joe Montana Sports Talk Football says "hi".
But seriously, I have been playing Madden for years (except with 2k was around), but my first "real" football game was Tecmo Bowl and Tecmo Super Bowl. Madden and Tecmo Bowl are two completely different products, but Tecmo Bowl will bring people back to football just on nostalgia. Don't underestimate 30 somethings with a good chunk of disposeable income.
I think Bdouchey has a point, to an extent: certain games -- particularly EA's critical sports franchises -- have not done particularly well on Wii.
On the other hand, there is Wii Sports, the biggest sports game in the last decade, at least. Tiger Woods sold best on Wii. Sega Superstar Tennis has sold profoundly better on Wii than on any other platform.
I think the argument could be made that "manly" sports -- notably Basketball and Football in the US -- have done less well on the Wii, and I think that would be a fair assessment. Outside of the US, Konami has done an excellent job of shattering that stereotype with their reinvention of PES, but I could certainly imagine that "Wii isn't manly" image retaining in America without any excellent sport games like PES 08 to jar the stereotype loose.
So I agree with Bdouchey that a typical, pretty good, 7.5/10 American rules football game wouldn't do that well on the Wii. However, if Tecmo manages to make it more family friendly (the series on the NES didn't really rely on machismo) or make the game as strong and radical as PES 08 Wii, it stands a chance of fitting the current Wii audience or drawing new players in, respectively.
On the other hand, there is Wii Sports, the biggest sports game in the last decade, at least. Tiger Woods sold best on Wii. Sega Superstar Tennis has sold profoundly better on Wii than on any other platform.
I think the argument could be made that "manly" sports -- notably Basketball and Football in the US -- have done less well on the Wii, and I think that would be a fair assessment. Outside of the US, Konami has done an excellent job of shattering that stereotype with their reinvention of PES, but I could certainly imagine that "Wii isn't manly" image retaining in America without any excellent sport games like PES 08 to jar the stereotype loose.
So I agree with Bdouchey that a typical, pretty good, 7.5/10 American rules football game wouldn't do that well on the Wii. However, if Tecmo manages to make it more family friendly (the series on the NES didn't really rely on machismo) or make the game as strong and radical as PES 08 Wii, it stands a chance of fitting the current Wii audience or drawing new players in, respectively.
digita1alchemy
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bdouchey said:
YES.
Opiate said:
Good post. I think there are a few factors at play here- 1, it's just cheaper to make a Wii/DS version, 2- its easier to stand out on Wii/DS precisely because Madden is so dominant on 360/PS3, and 3- if we accept that Nintendo has captured a significant amount of lapsed gamers, those gamers seem like prime candidates to buy Tecmo Bowl.
Flakster99
Member
About time they officially announced this! Waiting for their Wii announcement, and some media to get the blood flowing. Sounds like a win win proposition to me. 
And to anyone who wanted this on another console, for any reason, suck it up buttercup, just be fucking thankful we're getting more Tecmo Bowl games. The 'this would be better on another console, online service add nauseum repeated reasoning' is a banned meme for good reason.
And to anyone who wanted this on another console, for any reason, suck it up buttercup, just be fucking thankful we're getting more Tecmo Bowl games. The 'this would be better on another console, online service add nauseum repeated reasoning' is a banned meme for good reason.
professor_t
Member
Opiate said:
Does anyone have sales figures handy for Tiger Woods across all platforms? I must have been living in a cave, because I had no idea it perfomed best on the Wii.
In any event, I don't think "manliness" is the only issue. The sports games that have done well on the Wii in America have two other things in common: 1) The sport appeared in Wii sports (true for tennis and golf, and this is a HUGE factor) and 2) the sports rely on relatively simplistic controls that are really amenable to waggle.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
i think a non-NFL licsensed and simplified control system football game absolutely makes sense on the Wii/DS. All the people that want good graphics, complex playbooks, and realistic everything already own the version they would consider "superior." why was resources developing a game only to get it panned by the very people that loved your game when they were kids? how about aiming at a younger demographic and try to recapture some of that simplified fun? not sure why this couldn't be upgraded to xbla or psn unless they didn't want to canibalize their box sales on the other platforms.
Opiate said:
I appreciate a poster being able to look at this from all angles. It gets kinda old when you try to have conversations with people who have to pull their heads out Miyamoto's backside first, reply second (yes I am looking at you batbeg with your "childish" and "are you for real" remarks).
professor_t said:
Because it did not outsell the 360...
According to a site that we are not allowed to post, shows that the 360 version of TW 08 almost DOUBLED the sales of the wii version in the US. Even the 07 version shows that the 360 was both the worldwide and US only leader.
* The 08 sales were almost cut in half of 07 sales in the US for the wii. The 08 TW sales are right on par with the 07 sales for the 360 in the US.
It also confirms what I have said all along. Wii owners do not support yearly sports games. They buy one, then down the line they might pick up another.
bdouchey said:
That's the winners way to arguing there, calling them a fanboy and not touching on anything they said. Nice dispute. While we're at it, we could talk about posters who decide to (fail at) insulting others reading capabilities to escape out of a discussion they're so confident in putting a permaban on.
bdouchey said:
Citing VG?
bdouchey said:
This isn't a yearly installment, something I've pointed out twice now.
batbeg said:
I was not replying to you. I was replying to the person who posted the wii as the leading seller of Tiger Woods. It is still a sports game and that alone factors in since US Nintendo owners are pretty bad about buying them, unless Mario is draped on the cover.
Considering yourself sent to ignoreville.
Cosmonaut X
Member
bdouchey said:
Y'know, there is a reason why that site - assuming you are talking about ioi's little project - is banned here, and it's because the figures are - at best - rather dubious.
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