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Ted Price: PS3 is 'Whipping Boy' for Press

Green Shinobi said:
I was at the time. I saw some new Lair videos that changed my mind though.

I don't think the difference is night and day, but yeah, there's a difference in terms of overall detail. The planes in Ace look better than any one element of Lair, but they're the only thing, so whatever.
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They are also relatively angular and static objects, as opposed to the organic nature of the dragons and other creatures in Lair. There just plain isn't a comparison here, at least not one that would in any way work in AC6's favor.
 
Orlics said:
While we're on the topic of Insomniac Games, can someone describe to me the appeal of the Ratchet and Clank series? I never picked up any of the old games since I don't really like platformers, but I loved Resistance, so maybe I'll give the PS3 game a rent. But I'd also love it if someone were to summarize what's good about those games.
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Controls are great, first off. It has tons of inventive and fun-to-use guns, all upgradeable. It's a very rewarding game, too. Lots of planets, each with lots of missions. You can play for 15 minutes and feel like you accomplished something, whether it's finding a secret, beating a mission (there's lots of variety in them too), or just getting some money towards upgrading a gun.

Then there's a fun New Game + sort of mode. I love them, I've put hours and hours into them. Challenging, too.

edit:

The series moves further from platforming and closer to action with each entry. The series is as follows:

Ratchet and Clank
R&C: Going Commando
R&C: Up Your Arsenel
Ratchet: Deadlocked

If you're only going to play one, make it Going Commando.
 
Ynos Yrros said:
well, Ace Combat 6 is a flying game as well, right? With similiar level sizes, and similiar draw distance and similiar height at which you can go. There's Over G Fighters too.

Julian Eggebrect said tha Lair is only possible on PS3, why not believe him? Especially when there's nothing of similiar scope and graphics on X360?
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It's called building the game around the hardwares strengths. If they were to make a game around the strengths of the 360 they would say the same thing.
As far as scope goes, you're being silly. There's nothing in the PS3's hardware that makes it more capable with draw distance or more characters rendered at one time. I'm sure you're gonna claim it all of these things are only possible because of Cell, but you would be sorely mistaken. There's no doubt Cell is the more powerful cpu, but you're setting yourself up for disappointment if you think it's gonna deliver on Sony's hype.
 
snack said:
If Sony's PR wasn't retarded, the PS3 wouldn't be the whipping boy.

But that is all I am going to say, because this topic is dangerous.
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Not to worry,I pretty much share the same opinion. Sony barked allot about their machine and then failed to execute as well as they could have. Their competition has done better,and with the way its a wide open race in North America,(the one territory capable of supporting 3 consoles with ease) its only natural the media are gonna punish Sony for not doing so well.

Besides it comes with the territory. If youre around long enough to see generation after generation of consoles released,sooner or later the market leader is bound to fall. Its a formula that always repeats itself,the media then kick in with the focus of "what happened?!"
by getting over dramatic about it.

For further proof,check Nintendo and especially Sega years back. Both were brutally made whipping boys. There was one point in 2000 where the DreamCast was firing on all cylinders yet you constantly heard negative stuff about the company rather than the positive. They had such an awesome 2000 with the game releases yet the media kept focussing on the company's doom,such bullshit.
Its just the natural ways of things I guess,the media love you one minute and are ready to stick a fork in you the next.

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The PS3 doesn't deceive. It's only problem is the price. That 599$ shook the Earth and created a downward spiral. If you forget about the price, Sony delivered.
 
Kittonwy said:
They are addressing those concerns, obviously not everything can be fixed with magic sprinkles but then I'm sure you've seen some of the improvements. They've been more open and accessible like with their new blog, they've shown alot more of their games via playable demos, they're continuing to improve on the hardware functionality that people raised issues with.
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I agree, but when I hear them attempting to play victim, it doesn't make sense. They have to realize that all criticisms have been fair. It's time for action, not asking for sympathy. I already mentioned in another post that Sony looks to have addressed a lot of these things and this E3 the perception towards them will change. I think I posted that before this thread came up...

igTedPrice said:
Hey guys,

What’s amusing about this whole thing is that the article failed to mention the question I was asked. I was asked something like “so what do you think of all of the negative press Sony’s gotten on the PS3.” I just answered honestly and it ended up becoming a headline. Unfortunately when taken out of context it looks like I was just bitching for bitching’s sake.

Keep in mind too that the article is just a tease for a more in-depth interview where we covered a lot of other topics…

But hey, it’s always cool to be the center of a debate on NeoGaf!

Ted
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Thanks for clearing that up. I was under the assumption that you (and Sony) viewed themselves as the victim of some sort of unwarranted negative attention. I suppose that the media excels at distorting and exaggerating, and this case is no exception.

Yeah...I think GameDaily should have included something akin to: "When asked about the negative media...", as that subtitle really makes it seem like it was the first thing on your mind and you come off as a whiner.

At the same time I think it would be refreshing for people to man up and say that some of the negative attention was warranted, and that things will change to address them.

I mean, MS is cowering when it comes to the issue of hardware failures. I like the 360 but I'm not going to suggest it to anyone as long as MS reps sidestep the issue, and/or blame the media for overblowing it. It seems like Nintendo is the only company that is open about its shortcomings and willing to address them (ie. 3rd party support).
 
Fight for Freeform said:
At the same time I think it would be refreshing for people to man up and say that some of the negative attention was warranted, and that things will change to address them.
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You know what else would be refreshing? Reading the full article to see that he does in fact do that ;)

"Obviously, Sony has come out and said that there are things they could have done better, but I could say that about any of our games too. The fact is that PS3's out there, it's sold well, and we're looking at an upcoming Christmas that should provide a lot of unique content to players, which is pretty exciting... and top among them Ratchet, of course."

And, of course, this is only a small part of a larger interview, yet to be published.
 
AltogetherAndrews said:
They are also relatively angular and static objects, as opposed to the organic nature of the dragons and other creatures in Lair. There just plain isn't a comparison here, at least not one that would in any way work in AC6's favor.
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I just took another look at the videos. Particularly, the one from usplaystation3.com that you posted on the first page of the Lair "you will say wow" thread.

I stand by my opinion. Lair looks amazing in cutscenes, but there's a huge difference between the cutscenes and real gameplay. Ace Combat 6 in actual gameplay looks almost as good. There's not much of a difference at all. Lair is pushing more polygons, but Ace has better textures.
 
MonkeyLicker said:
It's called building the game around the hardwares strengths. If they were to make a game around the strengths of the 360 they would say the same thing.
As far as scope goes, you're being silly. There's nothing in the PS3's hardware that makes it more capable with draw distance or more characters rendered at one time. I'm sure you're gonna claim it all of these things are only possible because of Cell, but you would be sorely mistaken. There's no doubt Cell is the more powerful cpu, but you're setting yourself up for disappointment if you think it's gonna deliver on Sony's hype.
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No need to argue, E3 is soon, if we see something on 360, that is build around it's architecture, and can compar to Lair, then I'll agree with you, saying "yeah, I guess Factor 5 was just talking out of their asses".
 
Ynos Yrros said:
No need to argue, E3 is soon, if we see something on 360, that is build around it's architecture, and can compar to Lair, then I'll agree with you, saying "yeah, I guess Factor 5 was just talking out of their asses".
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The thing about Lair is that you have to keep in mind the sheer scale of it. Not only is the game miles upon miles long, it's rendering millions of pixels at once.
 
Green Shinobi said:
Fixed.
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Fixed for what?

kaching said:
You know what else would be refreshing? Reading the full article to see that he does in fact do that ;)

"Obviously, Sony has come out and said that there are things they could have done better, but I could say that about any of our games too. The fact is that PS3's out there, it's sold well, and we're looking at an upcoming Christmas that should provide a lot of unique content to players, which is pretty exciting... and top among them Ratchet, of course."

And, of course, this is only a small part of a larger interview, yet to be published.
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No kidding.

For someone who seems to complain about textures, size, fps etc. I'm highly surprised how they don't complain as much about actually getting the system off the ground to work. Seems to me that's more important then any number of polygons.
 
At the end of the day though, who cares? Ted Price is still cute(and a mangod) and "gaming" media don't really influence anything, especially mainstream adoption rate. The 360 is a gaming media darling, even getting some games, yet...well, it's the 360.

We're talking about gaming media here, right?
 
Green Shinobi said:
http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/Games/Lair

Look at this video. Compare the cutscenes to the actual gameplay. It's like two different games. For one thing, the textures in the cutscenes are worlds above the ones in the actual gameplay.
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Er but you do realize that the game itself looks very impressive and is running at 1080p right? I saw you in the thread when the vids came out and you seemed sort of positive about it back then.

Ah well. Tastes change. I for one think it looks good but not for me, only Heavenly Sword I think...
 
Green Shinobi said:
I stand by my opinion. Lair looks amazing in cutscenes, but there's a huge difference between the cutscenes and real gameplay. Ace Combat 6 in actual gameplay looks almost as good. There's not much of a difference at all. Lair is pushing more polygons, but Ace has better textures.
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what? you're grasping, dude. lair totally obliterates ace6. :lol
 
CrushDance said:
Er but you do realize that the game itself looks very impressive and is running at 1080p right? I saw you in the thread when the vids came out and you seemed sort of positive about it back then.

Ah well. Tastes change. I for one think it looks good but not for me, only Heavenly Sword I think...
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I still think it's really, really impressive.

I'm probably just reacting to all the :lol 's I got for suggesting COD4 and Ace Combat 6 looked comparable. I'm kind of a reactionary.
 
Ynos Yrros said:
No need to argue, E3 is soon, if we see something on 360, that is build around it's architecture, and can compar to Lair, then I'll agree with you, saying "yeah, I guess Factor 5 was just talking out of their asses".
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Why do you feel the need to take things to such extremes? Where did I say Factor 5 is talking out of their asses? I can't think of any other game on the PS3 that's doing the exact same things Lair is doing. Factor 5 is doing things with Lair that aren't possible on the 360, no doubt about it. They're one of the most technically talented developers in the industry, so I expect no less from a system exclusive. Both these systems have strengths the other can't completely match, so I'm not sure what you're trying to prove.
There will be tailor made 360 games that the PS3 will not be able to completely replicate and vice versa.
 
dai said:
what? you're grasping, dude. lair totally obliterates ace6. :lol
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Your fanboyism is getting pretty transparent here. Look at that video I linked to and tell me that the actual gameplay scenes (not the cutscenes) are noticeably better than Gears of War, COD4 or even Resistance.
 
Green Shinobi said:
Your fanboyism is getting pretty transparent here. Look at that video I linked to and tell me that the actual gameplay scenes (not the cutscenes) are noticeably better than Gears of War, COD4 or even Resistance.
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Wow. The difference between LAIR is you can get off the dragon and everything is just as detailed as when you are in the air, Ace Combat 6 you cannot do this and it does not look as detailed and there isnt as much going on in the game. If you cant see that you're blind. Just drop it already good ****ing grief.
 
Green Shinobi said:
Your fanboyism is getting pretty transparent here. Look at that video I linked to and tell me that the actual gameplay scenes (not the cutscenes) are noticeably better than Gears of War, COD4 or even Resistance.
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yes, i think lair looks noticeably better than each of the games you listed. you don't? that's fine... and chill with the accusations, dude.
 
dai said:
yes, i think lair looks noticeably better than each of the games you listed. you don't? that's fine... and chill with the accusations, dude.
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Maybe if you laid off the :lol for every post you don't agree with, you wouldn't get rude responses.

I apologize though.

And regarding Lair, maybe I'm just not looking at the right video. What I'm seeing are great cutscenes with amazing textures that aren't there in the gameplay shots. If someone can direct me to a better video, I'll gladly admit that I'm wrong.
 
AdmiralViscen said:
Doesn't AC6 still use a one big texture for most of the city? They put a few 5-polygon skyscrapers out there and everything else is flat.
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Forget AC6. That was a horrible example. I had actually only seen short clips of it in motion when I posted that. I went back to do research, and it actually doesn't look that great. Selected screenshots for the loss, and I willingly admit my mistake.
 
I don't get it. Why are people arguing about over each other's opinion?

Lol, one person say this game looks better, the other person say this game looks better. Haven't we all heard the trite saying, "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder?"

No matter how much you argue, you won't be able to convince someone else. lol.

Just leave it at that. Almost all of this is on opinion anyway. It's all relative and subjective.

Next thing u know people will be arguing over the music, hah
 
Hey you know, Sony had it coming.They've been in complete ****ing control of the market since 1994/95.All the suppressed anger of Nintendo fans, Sega fans and the recent Xbox fans are in full motion.It's like they were hiding in a cave, sweating, waiting for Sony to **** up.This is really a dream come true for all those people.
 
duketogo88 said:
What?
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As far as I'm aware, the PS3 is selling terrible.

As far as I'm aware, Sony helps fund Insomniac games, whether it be marketing or something else.

What exactly are you saying what to?
 
legend166 said:
As far as I'm aware, the PS3 is selling terrible.

As far as I'm aware, Sony helps fund Insomniac games, whether it be marketing or something else.

What exactly are you saying what to?
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LOL WUT
 
Phoenix Down said:
Maybe... Sony's history shows a 1/3 price drop after the first year...its not out of the question
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A) Sony's history also shows $300 launches. Things change.
B) If you're making an example from history, their US price drops aren't consistent. PS1 took 8 months, PS2 took 19 months, PSP took ? months for the core pack to release and a full 2 years from launch to the first real price drop.
Phoenix Down said:
i also think outside of the USA PS3 sells will be insane at that price point... and will do WAY better then MS... am i wrong?
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Well, it is true that PS3 is cheaper in Japan, and sales there are insane.
 
Virtually everybody, myself included, expected PS3 to take over the sales charts once it was finally released.

It didn't happen, and therefore it is the 'whipping boy'.

It's understandable.
 
Green Shinobi said:
Maybe if you laid off the :lol for every post you don't agree with, you wouldn't get rude responses.

I apologize though.

And regarding Lair, maybe I'm just not looking at the right video. What I'm seeing are great cutscenes with amazing textures that aren't there in the gameplay shots. If someone can direct me to a better video, I'll gladly admit that I'm wrong.
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Watch this video Green... it will make you say wow.

http://www.jeuxvideo.tv/video-exclu-2-petite-viree-en-enfer-video-39262.html

I agree that the footage on the PS3 home site isn't the most flattering btw.
 
igTedPrice said:
Hey guys,

What’s amusing about this whole thing is that the article failed to mention the question I was asked. I was asked something like “so what do you think of all of the negative press Sony’s gotten on the PS3.” I just answered honestly and it ended up becoming a headline. Unfortunately when taken out of context it looks like I was just bitching for bitching’s sake.

Keep in mind too that the article is just a tease for a more in-depth interview where we covered a lot of other topics…

But hey, it’s always cool to be the center of a debate on NeoGaf!

Ted
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Not good enough. We demand blood and personal apologies.
 
buckfutter said:
Shit, that's probably the first video of Lair that really flatters the game. Looks like it's finally coming together, visually at least.
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Exactly!

Everything prior hasn't been overly impressive in my opinion.
 
Ted Price said:
(Ratchet for PS3 is) "...the largest and most complex game we've ever made."
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Yeah, it only took you guys five games to give the enemies shields. God, the Ratchet & Clank games are so incredibly overrated. Jet Force Gemini was the same game but far better. But hey, did you hear that the new Ratchet game has a gun that turns your enemies into bacteria and then pisses penicillin onto them from its phallic-shaped barrel? It's called the "Penis-Illinizer"!!! 2 million sales CONFIRMED.
 
I think he's right just for the simple fact that NO ONE in the media goes after Microsoft about all their hardware problems like they go after Sony for their lack of sales.
 
Karma Kramer said:
Watch this video Green... it will make you say wow.

http://www.jeuxvideo.tv/video-exclu-2-petite-viree-en-enfer-video-39262.html

I agree that the footage on the PS3 home site isn't the most flattering btw.
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Meh, might as well ask this. Why's that impressive? I'm not trying to shit on the game, just wondering what's so impressive about an off screen flash that it converts people categorically unimpressed with the game beforehand?
 
Son of Godzilla said:
Meh, might as well ask this. Why's that impressive? I'm not trying to shit on the game, just wondering what's so impressive about an off screen flash that it converts people categorically unimpressed with the game beforehand?
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Did you see under the bridge? That right there made my jaw drop.
 
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