Unhandled Exception
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Oh ok. Well if Mythbusters said so.
http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/06/10...onic-interference-may-affect-airplane-safety/
http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/06/10...onic-interference-may-affect-airplane-safety/
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Teenager using iPhone on an airplane in flight
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bigtroyjon
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75 incidents over 50 million flights. Shit happens.
Edit-Actually way more than 50 million flights. I thought it was US airlines but it looks to be worldwide.
75 cases where pilots BELIEVED that there may have been interference. Yeah, that's an airtight study.
Please.
Unhandled Exception
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Shit happens on older planes that are not properly shielded. They still get used every day.
Yeah we had this thread before. I was a little shocked at how many grown people couldn't handle just turning their phones off for a few minutes and justified it with 'yeah but they are wrong and don't know what they are talking about'.
I mean, really? You cant just... turn it off for a few minutes? I understand the likelihood of a problem is miniscule, but Jesus, humor us for a moment.... A freaking moment. And fuck the odds, if theres even a chance 1 in a million planes had a problem, it would be enough for me to turn my phone off if they asked. Its really just that simple.
I mean, really? You cant just... turn it off for a few minutes? I understand the likelihood of a problem is miniscule, but Jesus, humor us for a moment.... A freaking moment. And fuck the odds, if theres even a chance 1 in a million planes had a problem, it would be enough for me to turn my phone off if they asked. Its really just that simple.
Lol, if there was any substance to concerns about navigation equipment and mobile phones planes would be dropping out of the sky on a daily basis. How often do you fly? I have a confession to make: I've neglected to turn my phone off while on a plane. Many, many others have done the same.
I'm not dead, and neither are you.
I'm not dead, and neither are you.
Unhandled Exception
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Selfish cunts will be selfish cunts.
I'd probably be using mine right along side her. A flight attendant once told me the two primary reasons they want people to switch them off were to have fewer loose objects that could be tossed around the cabin in turbulence and to prevent the dull roar of numerous people talking on their phones.
I don't fully understand the reasoning behind the second part personally, in my experience I've never had a signal once we hit cruising altitude and most people nowadays just text.
I don't fully understand the reasoning behind the second part personally, in my experience I've never had a signal once we hit cruising altitude and most people nowadays just text.
bigtroyjon
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They get used every day and yet we still haven't had a single crash or major incident that has been attributed to interference.
I'm trying to imagine how this is somehow evidence of anything.
The cause is completely unestablished. In all likelyhood, it was pilot error. A secondary possibility is software error. Interference somehow handshaking with the autopilot and turning it off would be my last guess.
When was the last time your cell phone turned on your TV?
polyh3dron
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The whole electronic device spiel on planes is disingenuous as fuck. Even phones don't interfere with planes like they say.
Unhandled Exception
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Who the fuck claimed it was an airtight study? I've yet to see any 'airtight studies' on the contrary, but I don't need to. People are not going to fucking die from not having their cell phones fully functional during the duration of a flight.
Given the total lack of evidence, I don't see how someone occupying themselves with their phone is any less "selfish cunt behaviour" than you demanding the world go into lockdown so you can feel safer while in the air.
People aren't going to die from having them working, either. If you can find a single case in the history of fucking mankind where this has been shown to be the case, I'll be on your side.
Also, burn.
Unhandled Exception
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Goddamn GAF has their fair share of conspiracy nuts. You're right, they just don't like you enjoying your musics and videos. The very thought of you not being bored to tears on a flight is nightmare fuel for pilots and attendants.
Unhandled Exception
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Because that's exactly what this is. Not allowing your cell to send a signal = world going into lockdown.
Anticitizen One
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Saying that using a phone on the plane is dangerous is like a Christian telling you that if you commit sin your going to burn in hell
Unhandled Exception
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Except electromagnetic interference is real and sin and hell are not real.
But you were close!
You're reaching pretty far into stupid ville. Again. If it was so dangerous then electronics wouldn't be allowed even in people's pockets cause shit could be left on and flight attendants would be trained to know every devices flight mode.
How is this a conspiracy? There are obvious reasons for it: the multiple tower-bounces, and the annoyance of having to hear some jerk-off talk loudly in the seat next to you. But there isn't a shred of evidence that shows cellular phone usage actually interferences with the communications, navigation, or guidance systems of any modern aircraft in the world.
I might as well demand you not play video games on the winter solstice because I think it might interfere with the Earth's magnetic field. Hey, I don't have any evidence, but not playing video games for a day isn't going to kill you, man!
Unhandled Exception
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Uhh except I never claimed it was 'so dangerous' that personal electronics should be banned from flights. I'm quite content with how things are enforced now. It's a cautionary policy, like I said. Its not there for anything other than caution.
If she's selfish for wanting to keep her devices on, then you're doubly selfish for wanting everyone else to turn their shit off so you can feel better on the basis of your ignorance.
Is what the other dude was insinuating. And what I'm saying explicitly.
Don't most U.S. aircraft ask that all passengers turn off all portable electronic devices, not just cell phones?
bigtroyjon
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So you don't care if people have stuff on as long as it's in their pockets where the flight attendant can't see it?
Cause that's how shit is enforced now, they enforce what they can see and don't worry about what they can't see.
I think a better idea is this:
Even if I knew 100% that there was no risk with signals, if the flight crew asked me to turn off my phones for a couple of minutes at the start and end of the flight, I would still be ok with it, as a mere courtesy.
It doesn't have to be life or death for me to consider being mildly accommodating/polite. Me turning off my phone when the crew asks is not even really about the safety... I do it for the same reasons I don't pull out my phone in the middle of a movie. I just consider it a courtesy.
Not a conspiracy nut. Nor an expert on air plane electronics, but a cursory look at the data available does not show that it's a significant danger. Though, I am an electrical engineer, which might help a bit at understanding this stuff.
I'm not sure to what extent get the political aspect of safety regulations. Even if it were safe, the FAA would be very hesitant to loosen the rules without extensive data about all sorts of electronic devices in current planes and that consumers are taking onto the planes. They are a very cautious bunch, and as such give tremendous weight to the status quo.
Unhandled Exception
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My ignorance of what exactly? There are plenty of planes still in use that do not have the proper EMI shielding, which is what this is all about. I'd rather not chance it, and airlines seem to agree with me.
Well it was GameSpot UK and most flights I've been on only ban phones. Never been in the US so I have no knowledge of their flight policies. I've pulled out my handheld, music player and laptop without a hint of complaint. Just make sure they are off during take off and landing.
Unhandled Exception
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Which is fine with me. If its not out in the open its not being used and is way less apt to cause any issues. I don't care if people are USING their shit when they're allowed to do so, and I don't care if it's tucked away in their pockets either. Being on the phone when its explicitly not permitted is bullshit, that's my complaint.
And modern phones don't put out enough EMI to do shit to unshielded instrumentation.
Basically, the dynamic tension that exists now between casual enforcement and casual callousness works.
Maybe it would be an issue between a shitty old plane, shitty old phones and everyone using it at once, but for the most part, it's a complete non-factor, and a meme propogated by those that are generally ignorant and fearful.
bigtroyjon
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lol, I thought this was about interference and your safety. How does that change if a phone is on and sending/receiving a signal in your pocket?
Point been, why should you care? Just let the airline continue its propaganda, reduce the number of cellphones been used through soft cautionary mechanisms, while you just chillax, knowing that a cellphone been used in plain view isn't doing shit against your safe passage.
I'm not arguing against following the rules or courtesy. I'm not going to cause a scene or stealth turn it back on. I like looking out the window the whole time actually.
I'm just laughing at this guy acting like it's so dangerous when it's regulated by movie theater type courtesy.
Unhandled Exception
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You assume I'm ignorant and fearful because I'd rather not have any issues with the safety of a flight, even if that means not having a cell signal. Gotcha.
Unhandled Exception
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Because phones put out significantly less signal when they're not being used.
Unhandled Exception
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I'd love to see where I claimed it was as dangerous as you say I did.
Hillzagold
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There's already no issue with safety. Is that really such a tough concept?
Always-honest
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Isn't it just because people with phones can be extremely annoying in a crowded place?
I often literally wish loud people on the phone (in public places) to death. It's good i don't have that power...
ah right, also for safety i guess.
Exactly. I can't believe how many people struggle with this basic concept or choose to ignore it.
bigtroyjon
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What if they are downloading stuff? What if the phone accidentally butt dialed someone?
Sounds like your issue is that it eats you up inside anytime someone breaks the rules and doesn't get punished. You will be a lot happier if you go through life without worrying about what other people are getting away with. I know some older guys who are always concerned with what other people are doing and they are miserable sacks of shit.
Unhandled Exception
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Safety isn't the only issue I have with whatever the fuck this argument is about. I've kind of lost track. But if I'm in a movie theater and some ass is talking on the phone I'm going to say something. Not just because I'm trying to watch the movie, but because he may as well be holding up a giant middle finger in front of the projector. It's disrespectful even with safety completely removed from the topic.
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