Mockingbird
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Tetsuya Nomura Is No Longer Directing Final Fantasy XV
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Demon Lizardman
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Wasn't the third birthday a terrible game though?
I think the consensus is that it was a game with great gameplay and shitty everything else.
Arguable three of the most important games Square produced ended up being plagued with problems, only to have them corrected by a different person later. XII being released, and then essentially fixed to what it should have been with the release of the international addition, and then XIV being scrapped for ARR. The only difference with XV is that we don't know at what point Nomura's mistakes end, and Tabata's fixes take over.
killatopak
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It was a great game personally with a few problems which you can find who to blame.
Story-Toriyama
Gameplay- Tabata
Remove the story and all you get is Tabata's amazing output. The shitty story is because Toriyama made it.
Fair points. I was thinking in the line of "something happened to the director so he must be replaced", though ARR is a special case.
Relaxed Muscle
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Yeah, but SE mess dosn't explain why after 8 years we still have not game, at least is not all SE fault and at some point we should admit that Nomura management of the project was a failure.
So 5 years of pre-production and 3 years of full production and still the game is not close to completition.
Is beyond awful honestly. Yeah SE tools, management and FF XIV and all that, we've keep hearing all that stuff from years, and I'm sure that affected the development, but at some point those are just excuses of Nomura incompetence leading this project.
Xux
Member
What's funny is FFXIV's director is still working on ARR as Lead Designer.
...Though, that does sort of prove the point that some people are better at development than direction.
I don't think there's enough information available to say either way.
Arguable three of the most important games Square produced ended up being plagued with problems, only to have them corrected by a different person later. XII being released, and then essentially fixed to what it should have been with the release of the international addition, and then XIV being scrapped for ARR. The only difference with XV is that we don't know at what point Nomura's mistakes end, and Tabata's fixes take over.
XIV's legacy will always be that gif and that will be the only thing it will be known for.
Perfect Cha0s
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I think part of this is that Nomura had his hands in too many pies, which was becoming problematic both for him and Square-Enix. What I wonder is which is playing the bigger part here: SE's desire to get him off the project, or his own desire to get off the project and stick more to his own things.
At any rate, I'm sure him moving on to KH3 is for the best for both Nomura and Square-Enix.
At any rate, I'm sure him moving on to KH3 is for the best for both Nomura and Square-Enix.
plutoknight
Member
Not in a good way? Here. Let me remind you of the cluster that was 1.0 Black Shroud. It's the map on the left.
You're telling me A Realm Reborn is worse than that? Even if you hate the game for it's grindiness and shameless riffing of WoW, you have to admit it's better than that piece of shit 1.0.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I think we know enough of the SE direction these last years to make the statement that they aren't absolutly the only culprit here.
As other cases in the industry showed (Bioshock Infinite, MGR, DNF) lack of proper leadership is often the main culprit and the replacement of Nomura is anothe indicator of this.
Is possible that Nomura and his team was literally shackled in their offices for years, unable to work on Versus...I mean XV, while SE directors laughed at them? Well, yeah, is possible, but highly unlikely.
It's not possible, it's fact this did occur at least once with XIII and pretty heavily rumored it happened again with ARR.
I think I agree with this, plus now we can get KH3 sooner since it's also two different teams working on FF XV and KH3
Also now everyone can shit on Tabata when it comes to FF XV. Lol.
OmegaDL50
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I wonder if this similar to the situation with Matsuno and FF12. I know Matsuno got sick during development, but it doesn't seem to explain the whole picture.
If you remember after the long development period of FF12, Matsuno left "for reasons" and/or was removed from being the game's project lead.
Now after half a decade of development hell for FF 15 it is looking like Nomura is being delegated to other duties.
I wonder if this if this has hidden implications in that SE board of director's felt Nomura wasn't competent enough to get FF15 out in a timely manner and decided to put someone else at the helm to finish it in his stead.
I suppose it could be much worse, Nomura becoming Madogiwa zoku (Window seated) for example.
If you remember after the long development period of FF12, Matsuno left "for reasons" and/or was removed from being the game's project lead.
Now after half a decade of development hell for FF 15 it is looking like Nomura is being delegated to other duties.
I wonder if this if this has hidden implications in that SE board of director's felt Nomura wasn't competent enough to get FF15 out in a timely manner and decided to put someone else at the helm to finish it in his stead.
I suppose it could be much worse, Nomura becoming Madogiwa zoku (Window seated) for example.
It's weird that this is supposed to be a darker FF but that trailer was really hopeful. The last few seconds especially... "Almost there." Stark contrast to the rereveal with all its bombastic setpieces and melodrama. There's something humble and alluring to this road trip theme. Even if it isn't a medieval setting, it's kinda old school. Just a party of magical dudes, a breathtaking world to explore, and one journey. (And something about a crystal)
Edit: wrong thread dang. Oh well I guess kingdom hearts is alright too lol
Edit: wrong thread dang. Oh well I guess kingdom hearts is alright too lol
It's not because that's not how development works. If you start with two directors (co-directors, specifically), you plan to end the same way. There was no point during the production of The Last of Us where Neil no longer needed Bruce, for instance.
Xux
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That seems anecdotal but pretty plausible. ...I've kinda been wondering if the problem was in the the other direction. If Wada and other higher ups gave teams too much freedom and time to do stuff that it drained the company too much. Like, they were too developer friendly and didn't care enough about solid consistent release.
Wasn't part of the reason it was delayed because Square took off most of the development team to work on FF13 and it's sequels? Literally delaying the project.
And then there was also the whole let's move it to next gen with a new engine too.
I can't help but think it's not all Nomuras fault. Part of it must be SE's management. Does anyone have any insight on the development of FF15/Versus?
I mean, if you look at pure numbers... FF XV has been a money sink for SE for numerous years now. The new bosses probably looked at the money this game has cost and then how long it's been in development, then became even more confused that it wasn't called The Last Guardian.
When a manager of a store doesn't bring in the money to keep the store going well, for a long enough period of time, that manager is usually replaced. If you are directing a team that is making a game for Eight years, which will be potentially ten years by the time it comes out, someone above you is going to start asking questions.
The guy can churn out a Kingdom Hearts game, put him there, something that is a safe bet financially, and put someone else in charge of the other project that might, you know, actually get the game out.
They probably got one of the guys from accounting, Steve, to see if they DID own the Last Guardian though. You know, in their utter confusion.
When a manager of a store doesn't bring in the money to keep the store going well, for a long enough period of time, that manager is usually replaced. If you are directing a team that is making a game for Eight years, which will be potentially ten years by the time it comes out, someone above you is going to start asking questions.
The guy can churn out a Kingdom Hearts game, put him there, something that is a safe bet financially, and put someone else in charge of the other project that might, you know, actually get the game out.
They probably got one of the guys from accounting, Steve, to see if they DID own the Last Guardian though. You know, in their utter confusion.
Everyone keeps.the line SE Removed Nomura, I tend to think Nomura decided to leave.
Nomura is SE Japan's biggest name, and SE knows this, they want to throw his name on everything even stuff he doesn't really work on (XIII-2) and I really doubt that they would force Nomura off a project, hell he is making a dedicated line of action figures for them.
I find it far more.likely that Nomura chose to leave, even more.so when you consider that Nomura isn't on the FF Quality committee.
Maybe it was mutual, but no way he was "told" to step down.
Nomura is SE Japan's biggest name, and SE knows this, they want to throw his name on everything even stuff he doesn't really work on (XIII-2) and I really doubt that they would force Nomura off a project, hell he is making a dedicated line of action figures for them.
I find it far more.likely that Nomura chose to leave, even more.so when you consider that Nomura isn't on the FF Quality committee.
Maybe it was mutual, but no way he was "told" to step down.
Everything you've seen is exactly as Nomura envisioned it as far as concept for world and characters......so I don't see how it looks any better with him gone.New CEO liked my post on facebook so I definitely like him
Well yeah, Nomura is in a position that he most likely can't outright fired either. The guy may have been asked questions a few times, and decided he needed to switch to something perhaps more lighthearted? The pressure comes off his back if he can work on something that is a sure fire bet, where FF VX could crash and burn, regardless of who works on it. FF XIII did not do as well as they really wanted, FF XIV SERIOUSLY didn't do how they wanted so the pressure was HIGH to make this game worth it.
If FF XV doesn't perform well, perhaps people don't enjoy games or simple things like opening their eyes and watching things on TV's either. You never known. You just never know.
Tetsunom will be XV's hidden boss with 10 million HP.
Sapphire Dreams
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At this point I really don't care who directs it just get it out already !
I think you quoted wrong person.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Not sure how I feel about this, Crisis Core was not very good...
I suppose it should at least come out now, which is better than nothing.
I suppose it should at least come out now, which is better than nothing.
Ghost Slayer
Member
I like CC's combat system, it's fun but the missions design was very repetitive (PSP limitation i thought), same for Type-0 (although i haven't play it)
Yeah, CC had some interesting combat mechanics, and I liked the story, but I've already mentioned how I like Kingdom hearts, so that's proof enough that i dig dumb stories.
Monocle
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I don't know if this is good or bad, but the TGS gameplay trailer looked cool so I have hope.
Crisis Core was fucking exceptional in every respect besides the repetitive mission structure. I love that game. I can barely imagine how awesome FFXV will be if it takes gameplay cues from that masterpiece. Whoever did the music for CC should be brought on board too.
I object!
FF15 is only possible by Lord Nomura directing.
Tabata is no where near Nomura.
3rd Birthday, BC and CC FF7, type 0....
Only type 0 was ok, and that's not saying much.
Well I guess I'll just have to take Tabata's inferior battle system rather than Nomura's, still better than what could have happened.
FF15 is only possible by Lord Nomura directing.
Tabata is no where near Nomura.
3rd Birthday, BC and CC FF7, type 0....
Only type 0 was ok, and that's not saying much.
Well I guess I'll just have to take Tabata's inferior battle system rather than Nomura's, still better than what could have happened.
I love that this is what people are saying. It'd be hilarious if the game came out, like, next month suddenly. " it's done, damn it. it's Fu*kin done."
He just shift his gears, FF XVersus is his baby but cause of SquEnix poor management, he have to go after KH III at the same time.
Almost everything about XVersus was already in place back in the time except the team to develop the game, I have no worries, since the start XVersus was a better game even on the paper then XIII, and what we know about the plot don't send to have change since 2008 so I'm confident, my PC just waiting for the Japanese counterstrike started with MGS V GZ and PP... Type-0 PC and XVersus please!
Almost everything about XVersus was already in place back in the time except the team to develop the game, I have no worries, since the start XVersus was a better game even on the paper then XIII, and what we know about the plot don't send to have change since 2008 so I'm confident, my PC just waiting for the Japanese counterstrike started with MGS V GZ and PP... Type-0 PC and XVersus please!