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Thank Brian Michael Bendis For The Amazing Spider-Man's Mechanical Web-Shooters
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revolverjgw
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I hate the mechanical shooters. If a kid like Peter can invent stuff like that, he could contribute more to society by inventing more life altering shit. Or at least he should have more cool toys that makes his superheroing easier. But his supposed genius is not particularly evident otherwise. He's obviously very smart in general but if he can create a tool like that as a teen, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me that he never takes it a lot further than he does. Almost none of my favorite Spiderman stories involve any kind of amazing intellectual stuff on his part. It just seems like a half-assed explanation to the web shooting solution.
Organic is icky but there's no weird character inconsistencies introduced. And it fits completely with his other physical changes.
Organic is icky but there's no weird character inconsistencies introduced. And it fits completely with his other physical changes.
SquiddyCracker
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Honestly think mechanical web-shooters are kinda lame.
It's like, what are the odds this high-school teenager figures out how to make artificial webbing?
I loved the organic shooters.
It's like, what are the odds this high-school teenager figures out how to make artificial webbing?
I loved the organic shooters.
Do the other screen adaptations comicbook fans are okay with not count or something?
Pai Pai Master
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so because he has powers he can't be inventive?
Spidey always thinks on the fly and solves problems that his powers can't, that's what makes him an awesome superhero. I'm really not sure what this argument is about, that Spidey can't be powerful and smart.
WelfareBurger
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I like mechanical because it allows him to modify his webbing.
And I think the 90's cartoon had an explanation that the spider bite passed on the knowledge on how to create the webbing.
And I think the 90's cartoon had an explanation that the spider bite passed on the knowledge on how to create the webbing.
Batman has the greatest superpower of them all, he is rich. It is ok for Peter to be smarter than him, Bruce would just waste the IQ anyway.
I advised everyone to read The Superior Spiderman arc, it goes into depth about this stuff and gives you more insight on why Peter is not a billionaire baller House M dude.
revolverjgw
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I wouldn't want that of course, but it would make more sense. That's the problem, it just doesn't make sense to me within the Spiderman fiction. I know it's context to the story, and he needed the tool and this one was one way to do it. But another way would be for him to find an ancient book and summon some magic fairy to give him the web shooters. OK, fine, it's super silly but if that's the story, I'll accept it... but then I'd wonder why he never again seeks the help of this magic fairy. She seems quite useful, why not use her? Similarly, I'm wondering why he never demonstrates any other stroke of incredible life-altering genius again, at least not in any notable way. His evidently incredible intellect is barely a footnote in other stories, when he could have been utilizing it to a much greater extent. He could have invented his way out of so many other problems, but he never does. It just seems goofy to me.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Something to note:
While Peter Parker may be a genius in the comics, he never came across as one in either the old or new Spider movies - nor did he have to. I actually liked relatively average Peter Parker from Raimi's movies, that was your standard highschooler/journalist that stumbled upon powers.
Genius superheroes are always lame, because the people writing them are never geniuses themselves. So whenever they try to show that the hero is "smart", it fails flat on its face or ends up being a bunch of jabberwocky.
While Peter Parker may be a genius in the comics, he never came across as one in either the old or new Spider movies - nor did he have to. I actually liked relatively average Peter Parker from Raimi's movies, that was your standard highschooler/journalist that stumbled upon powers.
Genius superheroes are always lame, because the people writing them are never geniuses themselves. So whenever they try to show that the hero is "smart", it fails flat on its face or ends up being a bunch of jabberwocky.
Mechanical shooters are better because it shows how resourceful Peter can be to make something like that without Reed Richards or Tony Stark level funding. It also allows him to modify his webs a bit and do more dynamic things in combat. They also introduce a built in weakness for Spidey because overuse can cause him to run out of web fluid at a bad place during a fight or he can lose that power all together if someone destroys a web shooter.
Spidey having organic web shooters isn't sacrilege or anything but I feel like it takes away from the character a bit and just feels, I dunno, lazier. Plus organic web shooters are supposed to be one of the perks of the Venom suit and why Peter tries to stick with it, if I remember right.
Spidey having organic web shooters isn't sacrilege or anything but I feel like it takes away from the character a bit and just feels, I dunno, lazier. Plus organic web shooters are supposed to be one of the perks of the Venom suit and why Peter tries to stick with it, if I remember right.
Is this rule just for superheroes or is this also the case for say a fictional genius in a novel or film written by non-geniuses?
You do know in comics he been working for tech startup thinktank for the last few years.
Discotheque
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I wouldn't say they're all lame, they have the potential to be interesting. But from the panels I've read on here and the few issues of that new avengers I tried to read the writing for them is always basura
It's why I prefer the street level stuff, seems like the writers get a much better handle on that. Like bendis' daredevil was so dope.
Mechanical all way
One actual best scenes in ASM2 was him working on his webshooters after Electro confrontation. It shows Peter smart as he should be dude not only gobby shit he has brains and power back up his mouth.
Well it vastly better then Spider-Man 2 which had him losing powers due to feelings
One actual best scenes in ASM2 was him working on his webshooters after Electro confrontation. It shows Peter smart as he should be dude not only gobby shit he has brains and power back up his mouth.
Well it vastly better then Spider-Man 2 which had him losing powers due to feelings
revolverjgw
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Don't know what they're doing with him lately. I know that's not the Spiderman I grew up with decades ago. He was just a geeky loser (with one inexplicably AMAZING invention to his name)
In the 70s?
revolverjgw
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80s, though I had access to a lot of my uncle's stuff from the clone saga in the 70s (and for some reason that stuff scared the shit out of me)
Spiderman has been able to hang with the likes of Mr. Fantastic and Tony Stark mentally for decades though. Just the broke version of a Marvel genius.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Spiderman genius has come into play every decade since his inception. Hes usually portrayed as brilliant but unable to ever make serious money because his life as spiderman gets in the way.
He invented his spider trackers. He also invented a temporary cure for the lizard in like one of the stan lee issues.
He also spent a large chunk of comics history working towards his doctorate and was a teacher for a time.
So what mythical spiderman did you grow up with?
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Spidey's intellect has always been a part of the character. It's a fundamental characteristic that the movies ignore or downplay.
Yes, it's not crucial to every Spider-Man story ever, but I would hope that one day we get a Spider-Man movie with him actually thinking like Spider-Man does.
Yes, it's not crucial to every Spider-Man story ever, but I would hope that one day we get a Spider-Man movie with him actually thinking like Spider-Man does.
Pretty much, he has to use his smarts to fuck up Vulture's harness, find ways to contain Sand AND Hydra man, cure the Lizard, and Morbius.
Dude's brain power is well documented.
That is what bugged me the most. 616 Peter Parker is supposed to possess one of the greatest intellectual minds in the Marvel Universe, & he can create all of these awesome/practical gadgets. And unless if he already tried (& failed) adapting them to sell for monetary purposes in the older comics, it baffles me that he is always on a shoestring budget or is broke as a joke.
Pai Pai Master
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This is not the case anymore. He has his own startup company and is doing very well for himself. Parker Industries brah.
Money is not that important to Peter. While it was a running joke for a long time that he was broke as shit, he's always going to value being Spider-Man, and being a scientist, over being rich.
Before that he was a high school teacher because he wanted to give back to the kids.
StalkerUKCG
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Isn't peter like REALLY smart. Like beyond real world genius but not marvel genius smart.
It still doesn't address why he didn't use that brain of his to invent something to help support his Aunt & girlfriend earlier in his career. :/
Pai Pai Master
Banned
It's a little spotty due to the nature of long form comics writing yeah, but one could argue that he didn't really have the opportunity earlier in his life. It wasn't until he got the job at Horizon, which was basically his dream job, that he was able to further his career to the point where he could be in full control of his dual lives.
But basically the narrative that Peter can't use his science to improve his financial situation is no longer true. He's not just making stuff that ties him directly to Spider-Man at this point.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Its been exhaustively explored in the comics
Cause Peter carries the weight of the world on his shoulders, he could be hold up in a lab. But he had school, a job, and his own oath to protect lives.
a whole series on it as a matter of fact.
Dude Abides
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The Atari 2600 game had mechanical shooters so I favor those.
Veritigo_X
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hahah out his ass?
I like mechanical shooters as a testament to science Peter too, but Science Peter disappears whenever a new writer decides they like angst-ridden moe Peter better.
Ever see him without his glasses, you know Science Peter is not in the book.
Extra Sauce
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Five movies in and people are still arguing about the web shooters, meanwhile Spider-Man's personality still hasn't been nailed.
Have we really reached a point where people are claiming Hickman can't write a scientific genius well?
Well at least we can agree on that much.
entremet
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Nope. It was part of his boy genius persona.
When Dr. Octopus took over Pete's body, he actually made the webbing better.
He stole the webbing from them, he built the shooters.
That was still stupid when I saw it in the movie though
Pai Pai Master
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bendis just gave his preference, didn't stop them from writing a fucking stupid movie
That's why I said "extremely few times".
I've always thought of them as organic.
Makes no sense he would develop an artificial silk, then design shooters to make it spray out and appear to be an organic substance. Why not just use a grappling hook?
The way the webbing has always been depicted is some sort of handmade rope, why would you engineer a device that way?
Makes no sense he would develop an artificial silk, then design shooters to make it spray out and appear to be an organic substance. Why not just use a grappling hook?
The way the webbing has always been depicted is some sort of handmade rope, why would you engineer a device that way?
Cause webbing has way more uses?
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