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ALL superhero flicks can be called corporate cash grabs. And most definitely Batman. Artless is subjective so lets not go there. But yeah the Marvel flicks are pretty...bland.
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ALL superhero flicks can be called corporate cash grabs. And most definitely Batman. Artless is subjective so lets not go there. But yeah the Marvel flicks are pretty...bland.
One thing I'll agree on is that this movie didn't have the 3-dimensional-ness of the Raimi movies. Part of this is because of the ground-based villain I guess. But it's almost like they did the crane scene and the spire falling down at the end to give Spidey a reason to swing around.
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I don't think he's inconsistent. He never had any part in what happened to the Parkers and did have moral objections to it when it confronted him directly. What I got is that he suspected that the company was part of it but didn't want to believe it because he wanted to be able to continue his work for them without being guilty. Not uncommon for people working for bad companies to close their eyes to the bad stuff.
The other part is that he wanted to help people and after turning into the lizard "realized" that they could have it so much better if they were all lizards like him. In his eyes, he was improving everyone that got modified into a better version of humanity. He thought they were weak as humans and thus wanted them to become strong like him. Make sense?
The other part is that he wanted to help people and after turning into the lizard "realized" that they could have it so much better if they were all lizards like him. In his eyes, he was improving everyone that got modified into a better version of humanity. He thought they were weak as humans and thus wanted them to become strong like him. Make sense?
Well, that is just false in opinion. The fights were generally in confined spaces but Spidey was still all over the place swinging around and shit even in the school. It didn't have lots of scene verticality for a number of the fights but there was more than enough webslinging and Spidey definitely still got as aerial as possible regardless of where he was.
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Interesting, I wouldn't know because I'm so not a huge Nolan evangelist that I've only seen both of his Bat films once.
You're deliberately missing the point here.
EliteArtist
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That was one thing I find fault with when looking at the Doc Ock character in SM 2. His prime motivation was making his science experiment work. I mean it works within the context of the film and the tentacles sort of forced their will on him, but when looking at some motivations it doesn't really work well. Although, making a science experiment work was sort of the basis for the recent Ends of the Earth arc in the comics. I don't mean to keep criticizing SM 2, but I'm at least enjoying looking back on the film.
Maybe I'm just thinking the sets weren't as epic then? I keep thinking about the train scene in 2
nobody laughed at this in my theatre. actually, everybody was silent, as if the smashing of glass really made the audience feel the anger/tension.
SonicMegaDrive
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Yeah. That just shows a stupid audience. The direction of it in the film was fine. Audiences laugh at the stupidest of shit all the time.
Admiral Bone to Pick
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I felt the main problem with AMS was tone. Take for example the skateboarding/wall climbing montage near the beginning of the movie. You'd expect this to be accompanied by loud rock music or techno or something else fast paced. Instead, the background score was soft guitar playing. And the broken glass door would have been fine in the Ben/May scene, except Peter being too strong for his own good had been used repeatedly earlier in the film for comedic effect.
Basically the mood felt inconsistent at times. I ended up laughing a couple times during serious scenes (e.g. Lizard pulling Peter to safety near the end).
Basically the mood felt inconsistent at times. I ended up laughing a couple times during serious scenes (e.g. Lizard pulling Peter to safety near the end).
I understand how that could come off weird given the earlier scenes but at that point in the movie he has become used to his strength and it's pretty clear that he lost control and slammed it as hard as he could which just amplifies how angry he is. I think in the context of that scene and the emotions at play that it's weird to think it's supposed to be a joke or that an audience would chuckle at it.
Like I don't see that the mood is inconsistent in that scene but rather that people don't know how to read context, I guess?
Just as an example here, if the movie had a scene where Peter jokingly gives Gwen a playful punch because she's busting his balls and people laugh at that does that mean that they'd laugh if she was screaming at him and he full on punched her in the face because he was angry? It doesn't seem hard to me to separate something played for laughs from something associated with a darker emotion.
All that said though, I do think the scene was a little abrupt so that may be the problem you are seeing in the tone. Maybe it didn't go on long enough to really get some people into the spirit of the scene.
I would agree with this if it was some random lab assistant of Connors', it was Parker, whom supposedly Connors was working with his whole life. They both got a rep of mad scientists and they still stuck with each other. There was enough emphasis given that they meant a lot to each other.
I got that. But his whole motivation after turning lizard is unclear. He goes after Norman Osbourne's mouth piece on the bridge to stop him from trialing on veterans but on the way doesnt care if he kills a few innocent people including kids? Post transformation and back in human form, he's still in lizard mode, even part Green Goblin split personality yet in the end, he grows a conscience to save Peter and care for the Captain he just killed. I mean atleast Doc Ock's reasons for going bad and back to good were explained in a better way and people had issues with it. Kind of interesting to see if those same people have an issue with Connors or not.
youta
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Just watched it today. Not being all that invested in the mythology as a whole I thought it was OK, although not as good as the first (probably due to a vague recollection of having liked it more).
That being said, here's my peeve with both origin stories: there's nothing unique about how Spider-man was born. In both films it's one of many genetically engineered spiders which happens to bite Peter, meaning that anyone could readily gain such powers. In the comics it's a freak accident, the one spider that's accidentally bombarded with radiation, a one-time occurrence which cannot be repeated, a unique set of circumstances which leads to one and only Spider-man.
Not that it really matters, but in that respect I wished the movies remained faithful to the comic.
That being said, here's my peeve with both origin stories: there's nothing unique about how Spider-man was born. In both films it's one of many genetically engineered spiders which happens to bite Peter, meaning that anyone could readily gain such powers. In the comics it's a freak accident, the one spider that's accidentally bombarded with radiation, a one-time occurrence which cannot be repeated, a unique set of circumstances which leads to one and only Spider-man.
Not that it really matters, but in that respect I wished the movies remained faithful to the comic.
EliteArtist
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See this is why I wish they kept the story line of Peter being more than an accident at the labs. Adding the whole "you thought this was an accident line" from Connors was great. I know that would've upset some people (and obviously Sony took that hint too as it was removed), but I think it could've made this trilogy different from Raimi's.
Also, the news that broke that this was going to be a trilogy a few days ago... were the folks Sony the only people who didn't know this? I mean it explains why so much of the parent plot line was cut.
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For the change of heart at the end, I believe it's because he is getting the effect of the serum wearing off that allows him to become the good guy that he used to be and try to help people. I think the sticking point of the serum was that it effected his thinking by making him hyperaggressive so basically he had an objective and he didn't really care how it was achieved.
Like he knew that prior to transforming he wanted to stop that guy so he went and stopped him and it didn't matter how. Similarly, the plan to detonate the serum was a result of him having wanted to help people but he realized EVERYONE was weak not just the people who had lost limbs so he decided to help them and it didn't matter how.
I think it's similar to someone being really angry and wanting to go get back at the person and it makes you do things that you wouldn't normally, rationally do.
Like Connors is a good guy who thinks about how things effect other people whereas the Lizard version of him only thinks about getting shit done.
Also, one other point here is that he is going to stop him from doing the trial BEFORE he turns. I'm not sure at the point that he actually gets to him that he is actually trying to stop him but maybe just going after him for revenge.
Like he knew that prior to transforming he wanted to stop that guy so he went and stopped him and it didn't matter how. Similarly, the plan to detonate the serum was a result of him having wanted to help people but he realized EVERYONE was weak not just the people who had lost limbs so he decided to help them and it didn't matter how.
I think it's similar to someone being really angry and wanting to go get back at the person and it makes you do things that you wouldn't normally, rationally do.
Like Connors is a good guy who thinks about how things effect other people whereas the Lizard version of him only thinks about getting shit done.
Also, one other point here is that he is going to stop him from doing the trial BEFORE he turns. I'm not sure at the point that he actually gets to him that he is actually trying to stop him but maybe just going after him for revenge.
Yes. What he says is
"but those are the best kind" in response to the lady saying "you shouldn't make promises that you can't keep"
Most likely, and if it follows the comics, which I think it will, it will have big repercussions.
It is a bit of an odd ending for a film but I think it could lead to a nice payoff for a series.
saw it yesterday, i was so disappointed, specially about the origin story, why did they tell the same story again, why didn't they do something like the incridible hulk, origin in the beginnning credit ?
overall I enjoyed garfield spidy and him as peter parker the rest was so bad executed.
to me it is better than SM1 and SM3 but not above SM2 yet.
overall I enjoyed garfield spidy and him as peter parker the rest was so bad executed.
to me it is better than SM1 and SM3 but not above SM2 yet.
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am I insane or did you miss the part where is sole motivation was I'M HIGH ON LIZARD DOPE, I WANNA GET THE WHOLE CITY HIIIIIIGGGGHHHHH?
He was equally insane, with even LESS justification for it.
At least Goblin was a fun character to watch backed by a talented willem dafoe.
Oh dear. I hope you aren't saying that Rhys Ifans is not talented?
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And a fun aspect of Norman was that battle of personalities he had after he injecting the Goblin Serum, and the way he could change on a dime. After Connors turned into the Lizard, he was pretty much 100% eeeeeeeeeeevil the rest of the movie, all that "I want my arm back 
" and "I won't do that to the hospital, it's not right " stuff goes out the window.
Rhys Ifans is a great actor, it's not his fault his character was terrible. I don't blame any of the actors for my disappointment in this movie. And like I said, Uncle Ben/Captain Stacy were great.
" and "I won't do that to the hospital, it's not right " stuff goes out the window.Rhys Ifans is a great actor, it's not his fault his character was terrible. I don't blame any of the actors for my disappointment in this movie. And like I said, Uncle Ben/Captain Stacy were great.
Not as talented anyways... he hasnt done anything which i have liked.
This was the very point I was trying to make earlier. Fact is we can't judge in a vacuum however hard we try to think we are.
What'd I do dad?
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He was kinda dope in The Replacements, man.
AgentChris
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I like your avatar. Combining the (arguably) worst comic book villain of the year with the (arguably) best comic book villain of the year, just works magic.
I'll second this. Anyone looking for more of the Peter/Gwen relationship can pick it up.
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from Dan Slott's big time run which begins from issue 648.
The Amazing Spider-man ongoing is up to issue 689 as of this month.
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If you want to further back then the "Brand New day" era begins from issue 546
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Just saw it.
Fucking amazing I thought.
The film was pretty fun and great visuals. Script needed work tho. Didn't really buy Gwen and Peters relationship that much. It seemed like they just both started liking each other out of nowhere :/
Fucking amazing I thought.
The film was pretty fun and great visuals. Script needed work tho. Didn't really buy Gwen and Peters relationship that much. It seemed like they just both started liking each other out of nowhere :/
Sucks that Leary dies :/ I liked his character and wanted to see more of him in the trilogy.
Smart, good looking shy kid takes a beating for defending a smaller kid. Not tough to see why she liked him.
triplestation
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I was thinking about this movie again.. And aside from Garfield, GOD this movie sucked. They got the guy from goddamn 500 Days of Summer. The writing was bland. That score was lifeless.
OH MY GOD
AND THE CRANE SCENE
I'm gonna fucking cry dude.
OH MY GOD
AND THE CRANE SCENE
I'm gonna fucking cry dude.
Not to mention science wiz + science wiz.
EliteArtist
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Ended up rewatching the first trailer for TASM. I kind of wish that the initial first person scene was longer instead of being shortened. It would've hyped up people for Spidey in the film I think in the movie.
With all of the night time scenes in this film and Aunt May staying up until Peter gets home, I wonder if maybe Peter will start going out more during the day so he doesn't worry her in the sequel. I'd enjoy a few more day time scenes with Spidey that are actually outside, but I guess the whole point is the studio wants to differentiate the tone and more daytime scenes with Spidey might end up drawing even more comparisons to Raimi's films.
With all of the night time scenes in this film and Aunt May staying up until Peter gets home, I wonder if maybe Peter will start going out more during the day so he doesn't worry her in the sequel. I'd enjoy a few more day time scenes with Spidey that are actually outside, but I guess the whole point is the studio wants to differentiate the tone and more daytime scenes with Spidey might end up drawing even more comparisons to Raimi's films.
THE-Pink-Dagger
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I find it weird how some are saying that the tone of the movie is a problem when the very first thing that blew me away when I saw it at the premiere 3 and a half weeks ago was precisely that, how Webb nails the tone, mixing funny moments with emotion, sometimes in the same scene, with the right joke at the right time, playfulness when needed, something I'd already seen in 500 Days.
Different strokes for different people I guess.
Different strokes for different people I guess.
Super spider-weaving powers!
Especially since they were going for realism in this movie. How many teenage boys can design a spandex suit?
Yeah, i think the first trilogy had a better build up to parker being spidy.
Don't worry baneladesh, TDKR will save us soon. amirite? AMIRITE??
THE-Pink-Dagger
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Well:
http://www.therpf.com/f24/all-ca-locals-come-see-mcl34ns-asm-153015/
This guy just finished a replica of TASM costume and it's very close to the real thing.
http://www.therpf.com/f24/all-ca-locals-come-see-mcl34ns-asm-153015/
This guy just finished a replica of TASM costume and it's very close to the real thing.
The one's with something negative to say are usually the ones with the loudest voice.
Not to say I thought it was a fucking masterpiece or anything, but there is certainly a bit of exaggeration/hyperbole going around by a few in here.
Something's tingling.
EliteArtist
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I wonder if his ass is as pronounced.
rollingstart
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Regarding THE line,
did anyone else think it was going to be in the voice mail message playing at the end? I kept wondering how they'd fit it in. I actually thought Gwen's dad was about to say it on the roof. I mean, it's a bit goofy in Spider-Man 1, cause "great power" doesn't make sense in that context; but it's a good line!
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