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The Apple Tablet Thread Of It's Inevitable

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So while an Apple Tablet hasn't been formally announced and probably won't for some time I figure this would be a nice place to state what we anticipate and hope for it to be. Here are some new thoughts on the subject:

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/11/16/apple-tablet-speculation-continuing-to-gain-attention/

CNNMoney.com today reports on the continued hype over Apple's much-rumored tablet computer, citing the multitude of different speculative reports of the device's specs to attempt to paint a picture what users can expect when it is finally announced.

If the rumors are true, the tablet will be able to do basically everything a gadget could possibly do. It's an e-reader, a gaming device, and a music player. You can watch TV and movies on it and surf the Internet (or so we've heard). And it will have thousands of third-party apps available for it ... or maybe it will run Mac OS X. That's all still unknown.
The report reiterates a number of rumors that have been circulating in recent months, including a price point ranging from $600 to $1000, multiple models with and without 3G connectivity, and integrated webcam.

Many Apple fans are eagerly anticipating the device, wondering exactly how Apple is aiming to remake the tablet and netbook market segments in much the same way the iPod and iPhone found novel ways to bring new dimensions to the music player and smartphone device categories.

"The Tablet will be awesome, and my guess is that it will be an instant hit for people who loved Kindles and people who want netbooks," said David Wertheimer, executive director of Carnegie Mellon's Entertainment Technology Center.

Wertheimer said he finds it hard to comprehend how the tablet will replace all other on-the-go tech products. "But then again, what I can't imagine, Steve Jobs often can," he added.
Others are not so sanguine about the prospects of an Apple tablet being able to serve as an all-in-one device capable of replacing users' computers, media players, and e-Book readers.

"What we've found in the past with these multi-function devices is that they're better for ad-hoc purposes, like quick and dirty tasks," said Zeus Kerravala, an analyst with Yankee Group. "They're not for any prolonged, high-performance use."
While Apple remains as tight-lipped as always about its tablet plans, consumers and industry experts alike are left speculating on just what Steve Jobs and Apple have up their collective sleeve. If rumors are to believed, however, Apple may finally be ready to show its hand early next year, and the market will then decide how well the device achieves Apple's goals and measures up to expectations.

Edit:

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/11/12/apple-researching-pen-based-input-recognition-for-tablet-devices/

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Unwired View reports on a newly-published patent application from Apple disclosing software methods for processing pen-based computer input. While the patent application, which was filed on July 19th, 2009, is broadly written to apply to computers in general with pen-based input-only "tablets", the inventors also make reference to tablets with integrated display screens for both input and output, such as the company's much-rumored tablet device.

In particular, the described invention relates most specifically to handwriting recognition and the use of an "ink manager" to determine phrase being entered by the user before sending the phrases on to a handwriting recognition engine for deciphering.

To tell the truth, the patent app has little to do with a tablet computer per se. It's mostly concerned how to make digital ink recognition/interpretation process better, especially when filling out various forms.
And it achieves that by trying to recognize full ink phrases, instead of a separate ink strokes: The ink manager collects separate ink strokes, determines when a whole phrase have been entered and passes that phrase to handwriting recognition engine.
Apple has placed a great deal of emphasis on its multi-touch technology used in the iPhone and iPod touch as a differentiator from what it has perceived as inferior stylus-based input methods. But the patent application published today indicates that the company has not completely abandoned such technologies and is in fact seeking to continue improving their functionality.

The patent application's lead inventor is Larry Yaeger, a former Apple researcher who was instrumental in designing the handwriting recognition software used in both the Apple Newton and the Inkwell feature of Mac OS X. He is currently a professor at Indiana University.

UPDATE 12/23- Thanks to celebi23

Based on the articles supplied in post 197

  • 7-10 inch Apple Tablet (maybe 2 different sizes, 7 & 10 inch models)
  • priced shockingly low
  • Either runs a version of iPhone OS, or a hybrid of the full Mac OS X & iPhone OS
  • Revealed at a January 26th event & released March/April or possibly delayed until shortly after WWDC (probably June 28th-July 3rd) in order to build hype for the tablet
 
This will not end well.

Also, is there even an expected event coming up? At the very least that could give this thread some credence.
 
SnakeXs said:
This will not end well.

Also, is there even an expected event coming up? At the very least that could give this thread some credence.

No, there is not an expected event coming up. However, most every analyst agrees that Apple is working on it. Not to mention the supposed conversations Apple has had with different media to place their newspapers/magazines/etc... on the device.
 
bionic77 said:
What is the difference between this tablet and the iPhone other than the fact that the iPhone fits in my pocket?
The only people who know aren't talking.
 
LovingSteam said:
No, there is not an expected event coming up. However, most every analyst agrees that Apple is working on it. Not to mention the supposed conversations Apple has had with different media to place their newspapers/magazines/etc... on the device.

Out of curiosity, what are we supposed to talk about in this thread then? I mean, I'm sure they have a tablet in the making, rumors abound, but... beyond that, what's there to say or discuss?
 
VAIL said:
Cool, maybe they will put thier forced advertsing on them.
Oh, you mean the possibility of a voluntarily purchased operation system that has an invasive advertising scheme in it to save the consumer money?

Sure...why not?

Just don't buy it.
 
iPhone brought sensible touch interface and web connectivity to phones when most of the interfaces were still clunky and archaic since they were relegated to making and receiving calls. What can a tablet bring to a tablet that existing tablets cannot do? Kinda hard to imagine anything revolutionary other than a lot of integrated services.
 
Totakeke said:
iPhone brought sensible touch interface and web connectivity to phones when most of the interfaces were still clunky and archaic since they were relegated to making and receiving calls. What can a tablet bring to a tablet that existing tablets cannot do? Kinda hard to imagine anything revolutionary other than a lot of integrated services.

That's of what Apple does. Plenty of people were content with music players pre-iPod. Plenty of people were content with phones and content on them pre-iPhone. That's why the looming tablet is exciting. Simply being a big iPod Touch would be a huge let down. It's what Apple does with the formula to change things (like charge more lolol mirite) that's interesting.
 
Totakeke said:
iPhone brought sensible touch interface and web connectivity to phones when most of the interfaces were still clunky and archaic since they were relegated to making and receiving calls. What can a tablet bring to a tablet that existing tablets cannot do? Kinda hard to imagine anything revolutionary other than a lot of integrated services.
I think apple is great at making things more convenient. Apple is not going to get rid of the ipod, so that market is still there. But I think it's going to make everything you want on a tablet more convenient. Mainly with apps and the store. I'm not expecting revolution, but evolution.

Mainly I see books/comics/albums will be the big focus.
 
The secret will be how and what you can do with the sync to computer.

Basically, how it complements your desktop/laptop experience.
 
Freestyler said:
No no no. I'm not touching a tablet that requires a pen - this isn't the 90's.

Requires, I'd agree. But my interest would go from "ooh neat", to "ok this is neat and could double as something useful to me" if it was a decent enough pen based tablet for graphics work.
 
It doesn't have to 'require' a pen, but it damn well better have one. The strongest application for a big-ass screen will always be the artistic possibilities. If you want to try and sell a $600-$1000 finger-painting device (and probably succeed since iCancer would fly off shelves also) then you've missed the entire point of a tablet, at least for me personally.
 
Jill Sandwich said:
If it's not called Newton, I'll punch Steve in the face.

I'm betting they resurrect the iBook name for it. It makes perfect sense and ties it into the consumer electronics side of the business.

SecretBonusPoint said:
No stylus, no point. Its that simple. Get over your fear of pens, Jobs.
:lol

Trip Warhawkins said:
You know what else is inevitable? the price-tag on this thing. Jesus.

Yep. $699 - $899 if we're lucky.
 
No patent speculation in this thread yet?
http://www.macrumors.com/2009/11/12...n-based-input-recognition-for-tablet-devices/

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Illustrative Diagram of "Tablet" Allowing Pen-Based Input and Output
Unwired View reports on a newly-published patent application from Apple disclosing software methods for processing pen-based computer input. While the patent application, which was filed on July 19th, 2009, is broadly written to apply to computers in general with pen-based input-only "tablets", the inventors also make reference to tablets with integrated display screens for both input and output, such as the company's much-rumored tablet device.

In particular, the described invention relates most specifically to handwriting recognition and the use of an "ink manager" to determine phrase being entered by the user before sending the phrases on to a handwriting recognition engine for deciphering.
To tell the truth, the patent app has little to do with a tablet computer per se. It's mostly concerned how to make digital ink recognition/interpretation process better, especially when filling out various forms. And it achieves that by trying to recognize full ink phrases, instead of a separate ink strokes: The ink manager collects separate ink strokes, determines when a whole phrase have been entered and passes that phrase to handwriting recognition engine.

Apple has placed a great deal of emphasis on its multi-touch technology used in the iPhone and iPod touch as a differentiator from what it has perceived as inferior stylus-based input methods. But the patent application published today indicates that the company has not completely abandoned such technologies and is in fact seeking to continue improving their functionality.

The patent application's lead inventor is Larry Yaeger, a former Apple researcher who was instrumental in designing the handwriting recognition software used in both the Apple Newton and the Inkwell feature of Mac OS X. He is currently a professor at Indiana University.
 
Tobor said:
Yep. $699 - $899 if we're lucky.
Are we talking about the same Cupertino-based company? :lol

anyway, interested in this, seeing as the tablet pc market is stagnant, but again, paying a hefty premium for design aesthetics only is often hard to justify in my personal case, so it would be nice to shell out good money for good hardware, and not good money for meh hardware but oh so shiny design.
 
Teddman said:
I used to be excited about this, now I think it's just taking too long.
Opposite for me. I'm holding off on a netbook/eReader purchase until I see what materializes from Apple. I'll give them until Feb/March next year to make the device a reality that's shipping real soon, otherwise I'll start to look at the alternatives.
 
Trip Warhawkins said:
Are we talking about the same Cupertino-based company? :lol

anyway, interested in this, seeing as the tablet pc market is stagnant, but again, paying a hefty premium for design aesthetics only is often hard to justify in my personal case, so it would be nice to shell out good money for good hardware, and not good money for meh hardware but oh so shiny design.

This is going to be marketed as a consumer device, not a full on computer, so I expect it to be priced accordingly.
 
SnakeXs said:
Requires, I'd agree. But my interest would go from "ooh neat", to "ok this is neat and could double as something useful to me" if it was a decent enough pen based tablet for graphics work.
It's gonna run an ARM variant CPU, so you won't want to do real graphics work anyways...
 
Shogmaster said:
It's gonna run an ARM variant CPU, so you won't want to do real graphics work anyways...

I'd be 100% content if it merely tethered to my main Mac and worked purely as a tablet.
 
SnakeXs said:
I'd be 100% content if it merely tethered to my main Mac and worked purely as a tablet.
If it doesn't at launch (which it probably will) there will be an app for that within a week :lol
 
Teddman said:
I used to be excited about this, now I think it's just taking too long.

That's what people said about iPod with video. It's also what people said about iPhone.

Jill Sandwich said:
If it's not called Newton, I'll punch Steve in the face.

It won't be a Newton.

Newton's development came during the period when Jobs was away from Apple. He killed it as soon as he got back in the saddle.

The head guy at the New York Times that has seen the thing called it the "Apple Slate" fairly recently at a meeting where they talked about the direction for the paper for the next decade. That could be the name, or it could be just a code name they're using now.

...

I don't like predictions for Apple, but I do predict it'll have a stylus or pen, but will also be multitouch, obviously.
 
Questions:

Is it basically a bigger iTouch with a dedicated keyboard?
Will it have Methuselah-worthy battery life?
Can it be a netbook replacement?
 
ChoklitReign said:
Questions:

Is it basically a bigger iTouch with a dedicated keyboard?
Will it have Methuselah-worthy battery life?
Can it be a netbook replacement?

Yes. No. Maybe.

How the heck do we know?
 
Trip Warhawkins said:
Are we talking about the same Cupertino-based company? :lol

anyway, interested in this, seeing as the tablet pc market is stagnant, but again, paying a hefty premium for design aesthetics only is often hard to justify in my personal case, so it would be nice to shell out good money for good hardware, and not good money for meh hardware but oh so shiny design.
My understanding is that 2010 is supposed to be the "Year of the Tablet" because all the touchscreen/tablet manufacturers looked at the iPhone take off (and to a lesser extent, the Kindle) and realized that there's potentially a big market for a larger touch device, and the the result is we're going to have lots of tablets hit the market with a variety of sizes and price points (including free with subscription to media services).

I'm interested in seeing Apple's offering but unless they go in a really different direction I don't think they're going to have the same success as with the iPhone. If tablet makers (new and old) start pumping out tablets that don't look like something to take to a warzone, that run Win7, and can be plugged into a docking station to act like a regular PC, IMO that would wipe out the netbook market, dig heavily into the laptop market, and depending on type of screen, dig into ebooks (assuming that an ebook-screen variant isn't made).
 
Shogmaster said:
It's gonna run an ARM variant CPU, so you won't want to do real graphics work anyways...
Somewhere between fingerpainting and "real graphics work" there's probably still a place for a finer control with a pen...
 
"The Tablet will be awesome, and my guess is that it will be an instant hit for people who loved Kindles and people who want netbooks," said David Wertheimer, executive director of Carnegie Mellon's Entertainment Technology Center.

Good to see that he's doing his best to look at it from a neutral point of view, especially since he knows nothing about it. :\
 
kaching said:
Somewhere between fingerpainting and "real graphics work" there's probably still a place for a finer control with a pen...
There is, but it's a hard sell. Just ask Microsoft.

Office has had pen input control since 2003, but none Tablet PC owners (and some who do own them) don't have a clue about them.

I take tons of notes in my tablet PC with the pen (my note taking just involves a lot of pictures, because I tend to be visual), even though I bought it strictly for art in the beginning.

I find that annotating documents with the pen is very helpful in trying to organize and absorb the material more fully and quickly.

Yes, there are lots more you can do with the pen. But most consumers don't know or don't care. Will Apple be the one to make it mainstream? Maybe, but I think it will require software support from 3rd parties. If MS can't pull that feat off, I doubt Apple will be the one.
 
I'm hopeful for this thing. If it can manage to function as passable text input device with a touch screen keyboard, I might be able to replace my beloved Macbook Pro with one of the new iMacs. The functionality and portability mentioned so far sounds decent, I just hope the screen is of a good size, maybe a big larger than a magazine.
 
You might add that rumors say it will have good GPU so it might be Tegra based and the rumoured named after the slip is Apple Slate or something.
 
Analysts just say shit that may happen. Then if it happens they were right and if it doesn't everyone forgets that they said it. They're doing a cold reading with technology instead of ghosts.
 
rhfb said:
If it doesn't at launch (which it probably will) there will be an app for that within a week :lol

Thus my hoping for some for of decent pen control, despite not wanting it to be the main control method at all. It'd be a perfect extra for me, and could easily make me get one.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Analysts just say shit that may happen. Then if it happens they were right and if it doesn't everyone forgets that they said it. They're doing a cold reading with technology instead of ghosts.
Yea but it's not just analysts now. I'm guessing this project really lacked direction and that is why Steve stepped in.
 
SnakeXs said:
Thus my hoping for some for of decent pen control, despite not wanting it to be the main control method at all. It'd be a perfect extra for me, and could easily make me get one.

Pen control would have to be optional at least if they want people to use this at work.
 
I want wacom quality pressure sensitivity and for this thing to be about 8x10...Truly my own little digital notebook that I can draw, paint, write, read, surf the net on.
 
innervision961 said:
I want wacom quality pressure sensitivity and for this thing to be about 8x10...Truly my own little digital notebook that I can draw, paint, write, read, surf the net on.
If it doesn't run full OSX and the apps that require it, then what would you draw and paint on? :P

At the end of the day, you need the full OS so that you can use your favorite art apps.
 
innervision961 said:
I want wacom quality pressure sensitivity and for this thing to be about 8x10...Truly my own little digital notebook that I can draw, paint, write, read, surf the net on.


This.

If it can't be used for digital art, Jobs can suck it.








By "it" I mean my penis.
 
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