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[Myke Greywolf]

They are following the leader. But because Wii owners (other than me) seem content buying crappy games (Red Steel, Sonic), developers realize they can throw crap onto the Wii and watch it sell while working on high budget games like RE5 on other systems. People tout the sales of Order of the Phoenix as a good thing, like it's good that the Wii version outsold the PS3/X360 versions. But it is a bad game. To have bad games like this sell well only invites more bad games in the future.

Seriously, why would Namco devote the time and resources for a Soul Calibur IV Wii when Legends will sell so well with so much less effort?

So, bad games sell well on Wii = good games sell badly on Wii?

What developers should be concerned about is: will games sell better on Wii than in other systems. And this, regarding both good and bad games.

 

[donny2112]

What developers should be concerned about is: will games make more profit on Wii than in other systems. And this, regarding both good and bad games.

Fixed.

 

[birdchili]

bad games have always sold - on every platform. also - good games often sit on shelves unsold - 'tis a painful thing, but not a wii-only phenomenon.

it does seem likely that bad games will sell *less* if there are actually good games available. one would hope, anyway.

and the wii upcoming game situation is still pretty far from great if you exclude short-form games.

 

[TAJ]

QFT. I mean doesn't anyone remember when the Neo-Geo just crushed the 16-bit systems? History repeats folks, look it up. Visuals>all 9 outta 10 times, despite price or other factors.

Hey Junior, did you know that Neo-Geo games cost $200? I'm guessing not.

 

[Chrono]

it honestly looks like the Nintendo peeps are shitting their pants at what they are looking at, not so much bored but ... holy shit this is what we're up against? I mean, graphically.

That's what I thought so too. Maybe Aonuma and Shiggy are also thinking about what they can do with a console powerful enough to run a game like that... Wii2. Believe.

 

[Moz La Punk]

That's what I thought so too. Maybe Aonuma and Shiggy are also thinking about what they can do with a console powerful enough to run a game like that... Wii2. Believe.

Maybe... or maybe they're thinking 'we make a game that takes one year to develop and about a tenth of money that this game costs, and we still sell more... life's funny'

 

[JDSN]

Nintendo can sell as many Wii's as they want, until their customers start buying third party games, it wont matter.

Considering there are sequels of Redsteel, Rayman and Trauma Center on development, I would say theres a good chances that third party games are selling well.

Either that or publishers are using the banned sales site as a source.

 

[Moz La Punk]

Considering there are sequels of Redsteel, Rayman and Trauma Center on development, I would say theres a good chances that third party games are selling well.

Either that or publishers are using the banned sales site as a source.

Well, Dave Perry is.

 

[PolyGone]

Well, Dave Perry is.

Dave Perry, the one hit wonder from the '90s who just won't go away

 

[Oblivion]

But that makes no damn sense. How the hell do 'ports, nongames, and small projects' test the waters? Why would they expect great sales from these low-effort outputs? There is no water to be tested- the only factor is sales, and userbase. There is little doubt wii will trump all else in userbase in the not too distant future. You dont 'test the waters' with garbage and expect great sales. I always find this logic mind-boggling.

Have I ever told you you're one of my favorite posters?

 

[Chrono]

Maybe... or maybe they're thinking 'we make a game that takes one year to develop and about a tenth of money that this game costs, and we still sell more... life's funny'

Goddamn sellouts.

 

[FortunateSon]

The Wii will be the PS2 for install base and smaller, quirky stuff. The 360 will be the PS2 for mega-third party hits. The PS3 will be the GameCube if the Xbox hadn't existed.

No. How's the Ps3 the Gc? The Ps3 can also be the Ps2 for mega-third party hits you know? Well, the Ps3 could also still be the Ps2 in terms of intsall dreams too.

Spoiler

You never know right?

Imho, I think Wii will be struggling in 2008. It's the future, say what you want, I think Nintendo will wish they never went this route.

3rd parties aren't really selling great on their console, HDtv's adoption rates are only going to increase thus the demand for HD consoles, the disparity between graphics on the Wii vs the Ps3 and 360 are only going to get more and more clearer. The quality of the titles and such.

I don't want 3rd parties to be jumping on the Wii wagon, no, no freaking way.

 

[Pellham]

The wii's hardware is too old.

It won't last

in 2-3 years when alot of people have hdtv's and want blu-ray movies Ps3's are going to sell like hotcakes.

In 2-3 years, HDTVs will be everywhere, but so will FiOS, and everyone will be DLing HD movies and tv shows straight to DVRs. Blu-ray will become the next laserdisc and PS3s will only be selling to hardcore gamers as usual.

 

[RiskyChris]

Imho, I think Wii will be struggling in 2008. It's the future, say what you want, I think Nintendo will wish they never went this route.

My god. It won't stop.

Nintendo is still selling out EIGHT MONTHS AFTER LAUNCH. They will be sold out at least until January.

???

Wii loses momentum.

 

[Mariah Carey]

HDtv's adoption rates are only going to increase thus the demand for HD consoles.

You're assuming a LOT there. In actuality there really is little evidence that HDTV adoption rates would increase demand for HD consoles. Having color TVs, color monitors, color everything didn't drive up demand for a color portable, at least not to the point where Nintendo couldn't keep a black-and-white handheld out for eight years.

Imho, I think Wii will be struggling in 2008. It's the future, say what you want, I think Nintendo will wish they never went this route.

....

I don't want 3rd parties to be jumping on the Wii wagon, no, no freaking way.

You could've at least tried to hide that that was all wishful thinking.

 

[ape2man]

I think you guys are missing the point. To the casual consumers eyes red steel was a really good game, because they don't know any better.

These are all new consumers that bought the wii so how can they compare it to the great games that came before, they cant non of them have ever played a game before the wii.
So why do publishers even have to make games that are better then the rest when non of the consumers have ever played a good game.

 

[fernoca]

My god. It won't stop.

Don't worry..when someone ends an argument with...

I don't want 3rd parties to be jumping on the Wii wagon, no, no freaking way.

Just.... :lol :lol :lol

 

[FortunateSon]

My god. It won't stop.

Nintendo is still selling out EIGHT MONTHS AFTER LAUNCH. They will be sold out at least until January.

???

Wii loses momentum.

I don't care if they're selling out now. I can tell you one thing, Wii will not be constantly selling out for a longtime, it will stop soon. Like I said, in the FUTURE Wii will be struggling. When regular Joe finds out about HDtv's and about HD systems and the difference in quality, the word will spread and then, yeah. I can't say much because I don't as of yet have the crystal ball with me.

 

[Gallagher]

In 2-3 years, HDTVs will be everywhere, but so will FiOS, and everyone will be DLing HD movies and tv shows straight to DVRs. Blu-ray will become the next laserdisc and PS3s will only be selling to hardcore gamers as usual.

And then... Wii 2 with HD TV Support will come out.... believe!

 

[RiskyChris]

I think you guys are missing the point. To the casual consumers eyes red steel was a really good game, because they don't know any better. These are all new consumers that bought the wii so how can they compare it to the great games that came before, they cant non of them have ever played a game before the wii. So why do publishers even have to make games that are better then the rest when non of the consumers have ever played a good game.

Total horse crap if you think the only reason Red Steel sold well was to new consumers. I bet the overwhelming majority (90+%) of owners came from core/casual core gamers.

I don't care if they're selling out now. I can tell you one thing, Wii will not be constantly selling out for a longtime, it will stop soon. Like I said, in the FUTURE Wii will be struggling. When regular Joe finds out about HDtv's and about HD systems and the difference in quality, the word will spread and then, yeah. I can't say much because I don't as of yet have the crystal ball with me.

1) Not selling out means struggling? 360/PS3 are in trouble then!

2) :lol @ the HD adoption argument again.

 

[Gigglepoo]

I think you guys are missing the point. To the casual consumers eyes red steel was a really good game, because they don't know any better. These are all new consumers that bought the wii so how can they compare it to the great games that came before, they cant non of them have ever played a game before the wii. So why do publishers even have to make games that are better then the rest when non of the consumers have ever played a good game.

What the heck are you talking about? Nintendo's own figures state that 90% of Wii buyers are gamers. Gamers are the ones who bought Red Steel, not some ignorant grandma.

 

[fernoca]

I think you guys are missing the point. To the casual consumers eyes red steel was a really good game, because they don't know any better. These are all new consumers that bought the wii so how can they compare it to the great games that came before, they cant non of them have ever played a game before the wii. So why do publishers even have to make games that are better then the rest when non of the consumers have ever played a good game.

Flawed..."casuals" still know the difference between a good and a bad game..
When a game is universally bad..it doesn't sell..period.
You can hype it like crazy and even add nudity..and still won't sell..

The case of RedSteel, is an average game in every way..average visuals, average sound, average gameplay..some people enjoyed it, some doesn't..it still managed to sell a million copies worldwide...

Actually great games like Zelda managed to sell 2-3 times that..

 

[Threi]

*walks into thread*

*sees feces being flung around*

*leaves thread*

 

[Link316]

What the heck are you talking about? Nintendo's own figures state that 90% of Wii buyers are gamers. Gamers are the ones who bought Red Steel, not some ignorant grandma.

so that anonymous publisher mentioning that only 10% of Wii buyers are nongamers was true after all

 

[FortunateSon]

You're assuming a LOT there. In actuality there really is little evidence that HDTV adoption rates would increase demand for HD consoles.

Ummm, last holiday season, in the electronics sales sector at least. HDtv's were selling like hot cakes. I would assume the same to happen this year. HDtv's are going to be going on strong whether you want to accept it or be in denial about it, that's not my problem.

And consumers obviouslt want a system that can take advantage of their newly bought tv's, whether it be Blu-Ray, gaming system whatever, etc...

You could've at least tried to hide that that was all wishful thinking.

Really? Show me some good 3rd parties game Wii is getting?

Just.... <lol emoticons x3>

What so funny about that?

1) Not selling out means struggling? 360/PS3 are in trouble then!

................

<lol emoticon> the HD adoption argument again.

What? It's a pretty damn good point to make. What so wrong about it? It's a fact that HDtv's out there exists no? They are actually selling aren't they? So what's the problem here?

To simply dismiss the effect of HDtv's adoption rates in the longterm is insane.

 

[fernoca]

What so funny about that?

That simply saying:

I don't want 3rd parties to be jumping on the Wii wagon, no, no freaking way.

Without any other argument, validation or evidence as to why 3rd parties shouldn't make games for the Wii... other than just:

no, no freaking way.

Makes you sound like this...

 

[Christine]

I don't care if they're selling out now.

Yeah you do.

I can tell you one thing, Wii will not be constantly selling out for a longtime, it will stop soon.

How soon?

Like I said, in the FUTURE Wii will be struggling.

Oh, in the FUTURE.

When regular Joe finds out about HDtv's and about HD systems and the difference in quality, the word will spread and then, yeah.

yeah.

I can't say much because I don't as of yet have the crystal ball with me.

I don't know you seem to be doing ok.

 

[ape2man]

What the heck are you talking about? Nintendo's own figures state that 90% of Wii buyers are gamers. Gamers are the ones who bought Red Steel, not some ignorant grandma.

Then what is all the horse crap nintendo is telling everyone about wii selling like tikle me elmo to all new consumers

 

[Gigglepoo]

Then what is all the horse crap nintendo is telling everyone about wii selling like tikle me elmo to all new consumers

Nintendo said at their press conference that 10% of Wii owners are people who did not own a console last generation.

 

[PkunkFury]

I must be one of the only people on this forum that liked Red Steel. i wish I had bought it instead of mediocre Zelda

Nintendo said at their press conference that 10% of Wii owners are people who did not own a console last generation.

people who didn't own a console last cycle are not the only casuals.

the majority of people who buy consoles EVERY generation are casual gamers. I'm not sure what you are arguing here. Only the truly dense beleive Nintendo's marketing that grandmas are picking up the Wii in droves. That doesn't mean real casual gamers aren't buying the Wii

 

[FortunateSon]

Yeah you do.

No I don't. Honestly, I surely don't care about sales.[/quote]

How soon?

By next year. Early next year.

Oh, in the FUTURE.

Yeah, I'm basing it off something at least, I'm not simply predicting. There's a difference. I'm going by trends, the market is shifting towards HD for sure.

Yeah

DO you think regular Joe's are that stupid? No. Damn.

I don't know you seem to be doing ok.

I'm going off something, I'm not blindly predicting. Like I said before. I'm not simply saying shit like "Wii will be dead" or "Ps3 will beat it", those are bold predictions and going off nothing.

I'm looking at the market and there seems to be a hard push for HD and the market in due time will shift and Wii will be having a hard time then.

Without any other argument, validation or evidencie as to why 3rd parties shouldn't make games for the Wii...
Makes you sound like this...

I want to play QUALITY titles with amazing graphics, sound, online, epic games. I don't think Wii can do it for me.

That's my reason. Happy now?

 

[Innotech]

I guess Sony fans sling as much FUD as they accuse Xbots of doing.

I love the smell of desperation in the morning.

 

[Terrell]

I haven't actually played this but I heard it's pretty lousy. Shane from 1up likes to say it's "for babies."

Didn't he also say he actually enjoyed RE:UC? Selective quoting FTL.

 

[ape2man]

Nintendo said at their press conference that 10% of Wii owners are people who did not own a console last generation.

Ok, so my previous statement was crap (i was wrong). But then figures say that 90% of the previous generation consumers don't give a rats ass about brand, graphics and such. And just want a new experience with the wii

 

[FortunateSon]

I guess Sony fans sling as much FUD as they accuse Xbots of doing.

I love the smell of desperation in the morning.

You honestly shouldn't be the one talking.

Spoiler

I'm a Sony fan?

 

[fernoca]

I want to play QUALITY titles with amazing graphics, sound, online, epic games. I don't think Wii can do it for me.

That's my reason. Happy now?

Nope, that's your opinion, we all have the right to have it. (plus I'm always happy.. )

But using your opinion as an argument or evidence is baseless.
Any developer can make "QUALITY titles with amazing graphics, sound, online, epic games" on any console, including the Wii...

Just because "you don't think Wii can do it you" doesn't make it evidence and neither that they won't...

Noone thought that a game like Resident Evil was possible on the limited cartridges of the Nintendo 64 back then yet, not only they ported one, but ported the only one that at that moment was in 2 discs in 1 cartridge, when everyone thought impossible of fitting 1 CD in 1 cartridge...heck, they even started working on an entirely new game.

 

[vanguardian1]

Really? Show me some good 3rd parties game Wii is getting?

I'm interested in 7 3rd party wii games, but I'm not going to even bother listing them because I get the feeling you'll bash them. Oh, and while I do fall into the category of a "core gamer", I'm only interested in 2 360 (both jrpg's) and 2 ps3 games currently. I'll wait a few years until the hardware drops to $200 and is reliable before I bite though.

To simply dismiss the effect of HDtv's adoption rates in the longterm is insane.

That doesn't seem to be affecting Japan's sales (60%+).




It's about the games AND the price primarily (other factors as well, but these are the main two), and like it or not, the wii is appealing to far more audiences than the ps3 and 360 are currently, and looks like it will for some time.

Technically, it's only HALF that Nintendo is doing well, MS and Sony are each dropping the ball with their own problems, and making Nintendo look that much better.

 

[Innotech]

You honestly shouldn't be the one talking.

Spoiler

I'm a Sony fan?

Well you said you are playing games, so I figured you couldnt own an xbox360.

 

[Tobor]

No I don't. Honestly, I surely don't care about sales.



By next year. Early next year.




Yeah, I'm basing it off something at least, I'm not simply predicting. There's a difference. I'm going by trends, the market is shifting towards HD for sure.




DO you think regular Joe's are that stupid? No. Damn.




I'm going off something, I'm not blindly predicting. Like I said before. I'm not simply saying shit like "Wii will be dead" or "Ps3 will beat it", those are bold predictions and going off nothing.

I'm looking at the market and there seems to be a hard push for HD and the market in due time will shift and Wii will be having a hard time then.



I want to play QUALITY titles with amazing graphics, sound, online, epic games. I don't think Wii can do it for me.

That's my reason. Happy now?

:lol :lol Do we have to debate these new juniors? It gets tiring slapping down the same nonsense over and over again.

 

[nicks are so impersonal]

Anyone who thinks that third parties are suddenly jumping from PS3-360-PC to Wii is dellusional.


The high profile Nintendo games: Mario, Smash Bros, Metroid, Mario Kart, Pokemon, etc. can manage to sell 22 million consoles as we all have seen with GameCube.
Then you have the new casual gamers.

I can see Wii dominating clearly in Japan, because in that country only one console rules them all by a wiiiiiide margin, it has happened with Famicom, SNES, PSX, PS2 and it's happening with Wii.
You can expect most Capcom, Konami and S-E games going to Wii in a cheap-o way, but that's it.


Xbox 360 and PS3 sales can only go high after this summer, but Wii is not going to sell more per month than what it's selling now.

 

[Gigglepoo]

Didn't he also say he actually enjoyed RE:UC? Selective quoting FTL.

What? I'm supposed to quote everything Shane says? I haven't played Swords so I quoted someone who has. I have played RE:UC so I gave my own opinion.

Ok, so my previous statement was crap (i was wrong). But then figures say that 90% of the previous generation consumers don't give a rats ass about brand, graphics and such. And just want a new experience with the wii

Or the other systems are too expensive. Or they already own another system. Or they are going to buy another system in the future. Who knows?

 

[Terrell]

What? I'm supposed to quote everything Shane says? I haven't played Swords so I quoted someone who has. I have played RE:UC so I gave my own opinion.

It does show that his opinion of games is in direct contrast to yours if he enjoys a game that you obviously didn't. So you're basically selectively agreeing with another person's taste in gaming to prove an ill-conceived point. Plenty of respected individuals on GAF really enjoy the game, so I'd frankly agree with a majority opinion than one person who has very different gaming taste than myself. But whatever you need to do to prove a point, I guess.

 

[titiklabingapat]

If there's no shift happening, prepare to see an industry solely dominated by Nintendo.

Third parties better shape up or get left behind. Fortunately, it seems like Nintendo is more open these days and probably realized that third parties will ultimately help thier own software sales by increasing their hardware penetration. BUT, now that they know how to capture the casuals, this could all change.

Anyone who thinks that third parties are suddenly jumping from PS3-360-PC to Wii is dellusional.

......

Xbox 360 and PS3 sales can only go high after this summer, but Wii is not going to sell more per month than what it's selling now.

:lol

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Gigglepoo]

It does show that his opinion of games is in direct contrast to yours if he enjoys a game that you obviously didn't. So you're basically selectively agreeing with another person's taste in gaming to prove an ill-conceived point. Plenty of respected individuals on GAF really enjoy the game, so I'd frankly agree with a majority opinion than one person who has very different gaming taste than myself. But whatever you need to do to prove a point, I guess.

First of all, I have no idea how Shane feels about RE:UC nor do I really care. There is not one person in the world who shares the identical taste that I do. Second of all, I have actually played the game! It will be panned when it comes out because it is not good. Unless you love light gun games, and most people don't when you consider the sad state of the genre, there is no way you'll like this game. If you want to look forward to it, more power to you, but it is not good. At all.

Are there any people on this board who played RE:UC and liked it? I wouldn't mind talking to them. I thought it was unplayably bad.

 

[FortunateSon]

Nope, that's your opinion, we all have the right to have it. (plus I'm always happy.. )

Glad to know. Some people on here are well, serious business. Anyways, I'm pretty sure a lot of people, just going by this thread agree with me. That people don't want cheap games like what the Wii is getting from 3rd parties, people want expensive epic games and so far, Wii doesn't have that as of yet.

There's the difference. We will see if this changes in the future though.

Any developer can make "QUALITY titles with amazing graphics, sound, online, epic games" on any console, including the Wii...

Well, I haven't seen any on the Wii yet.

Just because "you don't think Wii can do it you" doesn't make it evidence and neither that they won't...

Not just me. A lot of people are expressing the samething about the Wii throughout many different topics. It's just the damn same shit everywhere. You think people are just doing that on purpose? Hell no. They have a reason and guess what that is? Probably the same reason as me.

To be completely honest, at this point, I'd say Gc > Wii. I loved the Gamecube, playing Timesplitters on it was fun as hell.

That doesn't seem to be affecting Japan's sales (60%+).

Ps3 is too expensive maybe?

It's about the games AND the price primarily (other factors as well, but these are the main two

Obviously you're right but the current games so far on the Wii are very, how do you say it without getting banned? I won't say it. Nvm. Wii is cheap as well.

There are great games on the Ps3 and 360 as well albeit a bit expensive, but I'm guessing the reason why the Wii is selling really well is because it's appealing to a whole new demographic.

Once the Ps3 and 360 goes down in price and get more great games, Nintendo will feel the bite.

and looks like it will for some time.

I see it changing by 2008.

Do we have to debate these new juniors? It gets tiring slapping down the same nonsense over and over again.

No you don't. Simple answer.

Well you said you are playing games, so I figured you couldnt own an xbox360.

Wtf?

If there's no shift happening, prepare to see an industry solely dominated by Nintendo.

That's what I don't want.

 

[titiklabingapat]

Good thing Ea is Rockstar huh? :lol

EA isn't the one struggling to make money.

 

[Jokeropia]

Yeah, I'm basing it off something at least, I'm not simply predicting. There's a difference. I'm going by trends, the market is shifting towards HD for sure.

Evidently not, since if you had known anything about historical trends in video game sales you would've been singing a different tune. Winning systems have always remained winners, and Wii is winning (in weekly/monthly sales) by one of the biggest margins ever. (Beating the competition combined and doubled.) It's mindshare grows the longer this goes on, and by next year it's position will only be more unassailable.

What you instead seem to be basing your argument on is what you want to happen, and that's one of the most basic logical fallacies you can commit.

 

[Link316]

If there's no shift happening, prepare to see an industry solely dominated by Nintendo.

not really, shifting support to the Wii will only help that cause, by supporting the PS3 & 360 and growing those userbases 3rd parties will at least have a market for their own software

 

[DreD]

I'm looking at the market and there seems to be a hard push for HD and the market in due time will shift and Wii will be having a hard time then.

Yet, you choose to ignore sales trends from the past 8 months which show Wii destroying X360 and PS3 in worldwide sales...

 

[FortunateSon]

Evidently not, since if you had known anything about historical trends in video game sales you would've been singing a different tune. Winning systems have always remained winners, and Wii is winning (in weekly/monthly sales) by one of the biggest margins ever. (Beating the competition combined and doubled.)

Oh wtf? Honestly, where did I say that Wii will suddenly lose/stop selling and get beat by the Ps3 or 360? Go find me a post. What you just said has nothing to do with what I said.

I know Wii will win, I mean Wii is just gone and Ps3 and 360 are slowly trucking behind.

Bu what I'm saying is, in 2008 when people start to realise HD and the importance of it. Wii will definately feel the bite. Ps3 and 360 will definately make a strong come back + price drops + great games.

It's mindshare grows the longer this goes on, and by next year it's position will only be more unassailable.

Like I said, not really. If Nintendo can't keep up with the demands with what people want, people will go elsewhere looking for what they want.

This is where HD comes to play.