epicurius-seven
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I'm calling it now: the series ends with a dog humping a god.
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The Boys - Final Season Teaser Trailer
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
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Mister Apoc
Demigod of Troll Threads
sorry for a nerd question but who would you consider the greater intellect. Stan Edgar or Frederick Vought? I know they specialized in two different fields but who would you say has more overall raw intelligence
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I would say Vought. Edgar is a business-man.
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My only real complaint about the season so far is that it really doesn't feel like the final season. Most of the episodes have been basically a 'who can get the V1 first' fetch-quest. It doesn't SEEM like, so far, that it's heading towards a big climactic set-piece.
I'm really enjoying the individual episodes as they are but it doesn't really feel like this is the end of the mainline show the way it's progressing.
Also the Gen-V cast being primed as some real hot shit and then being completely neglected in the season so far is such a weird move. Like, not even a cameo from the main character who was supposedly created to be as strong as Homelander ... and that show isn't coming back for season 3 so it's not like that cast has anywhere else to go.
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March Climber
Gold Member
Same.
This feels like a Supernatural-style of 'final season'. I'm saying that because Supernatural had 3 'final season' moments and 2 of them were not built up well enough over a full season to actually feel like a definitive ending, so the show eventually kept going.
Too much meandering. Not only that, but giving in a bit to fandom/meme moments (which The Boys is also doing this season) including the fear of killing off more characters.
Unless they move the plot ahead at lightning speed and have a double-length feature finale, I fear that Kripke is going to softball the ending of The Boys a bit to leave wiggle room for someone else to continue it, i.e. the Supernatural method.
Maybe not a show with the same name, but an in-universe I.P. and that Soldier Boy show that's coming out may serve as an example, but at the same time Gen V was cancelled so I just don't know.
Right now I'm going to align with a theory online that part of the ending is Homelander turned into a full human, no powers. Thus, wiggle room for his character.
Due to the creator insisting on not crossing them over too much, it put Gen V in an oddly terrible predicament with all of it's characters. Marie should show up…like this is it. But she just might not. And that's odd, worsens writing/lore, and is just unfortunate overall.
bitbydeath
Member
Sounds like they're planning another spinoff to replace Gen V.
March Climber
Gold Member
Sounds like a potential timeskip and then insert into the main Boys cast storyline.
Bojji
Gold Member
Yeah, this looks like the build up for the actual final season. I was going to post my thoughts about it yesterday lol.
They have 3 episodes left and nothing fucking happened so far... This means that ending will be shit and rushed (most likely). If they knew this was final season, they could have asked for more episodes or make 1.5h ones similar to GoT/ST.
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Bojji
Gold Member
Yeah, it's a full Titanic movie in theory. But we had entire seasons where main plot line barely moved an inch...
Germuso
Member
The first season homelander was scary as hell and now he is a damn clown.
Soldier boy ...writters dont know what the hell are doing, but it's cool so put him in every episode.
And the rest....who cares right.
The comic even with the over the top sex and gore has a damn story.
Just finish it.
Soldier boy ...writters dont know what the hell are doing, but it's cool so put him in every episode.
And the rest....who cares right.
The comic even with the over the top sex and gore has a damn story.
Just finish it.
DrFigs
Member
They should've just killed her off. Are we really supposed to believe she's so selfish she's just chilling while the world is going to shit. And this is the epic lesbian girl boss character? If she doesn't come back in the next three episode, i will become homophobic.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
She lost her powers cause of Soldier Boy's blast, so she can't exactly do anything useful for the conflict now.
DrFigs
Member
oh I totally forgot about that then. i take back my comment
YCoCg
Member
She's Bi, that was even a plot point how people ignored her being Bi and just kept calling her lesbian.
The Goddamn Mike
Neo Member
Thursday afternoon drinking, but here goes:
Fan-Fiction Wank:
(In a moment of god-like triumph, grinning, Homelander, having found V1 and incapacitated The Boys, injects himself with the wonder serum, as his enemies observe in horror.)
(Beat)
Homelander: "Funny...I thought there would be more of a...transformation. (Throws hands up) Oh well. Now, you all die."
(He attempts to eye-laser The Boys, but nothing happens.)
Homelander: (Confused) "Probably a temporary side-effect...I'll do this later. I have all the time in the world now."
(Homelander attempts to fly away. He hops a few times as if to initiate take-off - but cannot.)
Butcher: "Oi, cunt. You're proper-fucked now. Mates: He ain't got his powers."
(The Boys take turns eviscerating the now-human Homelander.)
Butcher: "I told you I'd fucking kill you."
(Butcher delivers the coup de not-so-grace via crowbar. As Butcher walks away, Terror [if still alive] approaches Homelander's corpse and urinates.)
Summary of the above admitted wank: I don't think the show will allow Homelander to live. A humbling end to his quest to become god will manifest - to this point, I agree. As for him potentially surviving: Granted, being rendered ordinary and potentially institutionalized would serve as punishment for his psychotic narcissism. Yet, it wouldn't be sufficient in the context of the narrative, considering what Homelander has put the show's other characters through. They must kill him. But what do I know: Hughie forgave A-Train...fucking whacky bit, that.
Also, further assumption: This (V1 being a permanent power-nullifier for ordinary supes) would imply, rather than an obligatory need to kill all supes, a non-lethal alternative exists to the virus (take away bad supes' powers with V1 - as opposed to V1 only being a virus immunity for "good" supes). Butcher will see the virus, as he always has, as a better, "nuke the site from orbit"-option and this will be the ultimate cause of the final, irreversible rift between him and his team - which is something the show has been dancing around for ages. They're always at odds, sure, but then they're not.
Assumptions, assumptions, but nonetheless...
As for episode 5, itself: It's a "fun" (and I hate using this word) diversion for the most part. The Supernatural reunion is amusing, though the premise is pretty stupid and the hubris of the "This is the End" rehash is a bit eye-rolling. Producer Seth Rogan (In Cookie Monster voice): "I've got an Emmy now, bitches! I'm putting myself in the show!"
I do like this show - I swear.
Yet, although I'm enjoying it, it is and will continue to be padded/filler until Homelander's and Butcher's stories are completed - which I don't imagine will happen until episode 8...and these don't require any more additions/examinations/qualifications. Again, to the show's discredit, we're waiting for resolution of a conflict from seven fucking years ago.
I wouldn't be surprised if the next episode is also another "fun" one (read: filler), while 7 will be The Boys killing the remaining non-Homelander members of "The Seven." Random comment: I was half-expecting all characters with a title card in episode 5 (Terror included) to get offed at the end of it. The vignettes all seemed like send-offs. My wife can't deal with on-screen animal deaths and Terror doesn't make it through the comics, so I was a bit on-edge. I guess the death of Firecracker is all she wrote for this one - to my benefit...at least, for now.
At this point, I just want a satisfying end - I do think it's possible. GET ON WITH IT, ALREADY!
Not sure what the complete theory is, but this partially checks out in my head. My guess is: If one has powers as the result of being exposed to a subsequent iteration of V (anything after, but not including V1), exposure to V1 removes those powers...permanently. The show makes shit up on-the-fly (V1 makes Soldier Boy immortal and immune to the virus), so why not?
Fan-Fiction Wank:
(In a moment of god-like triumph, grinning, Homelander, having found V1 and incapacitated The Boys, injects himself with the wonder serum, as his enemies observe in horror.)
(Beat)
Homelander: "Funny...I thought there would be more of a...transformation. (Throws hands up) Oh well. Now, you all die."
(He attempts to eye-laser The Boys, but nothing happens.)
Homelander: (Confused) "Probably a temporary side-effect...I'll do this later. I have all the time in the world now."
(Homelander attempts to fly away. He hops a few times as if to initiate take-off - but cannot.)
Butcher: "Oi, cunt. You're proper-fucked now. Mates: He ain't got his powers."
(The Boys take turns eviscerating the now-human Homelander.)
Butcher: "I told you I'd fucking kill you."
(Butcher delivers the coup de not-so-grace via crowbar. As Butcher walks away, Terror [if still alive] approaches Homelander's corpse and urinates.)
Summary of the above admitted wank: I don't think the show will allow Homelander to live. A humbling end to his quest to become god will manifest - to this point, I agree. As for him potentially surviving: Granted, being rendered ordinary and potentially institutionalized would serve as punishment for his psychotic narcissism. Yet, it wouldn't be sufficient in the context of the narrative, considering what Homelander has put the show's other characters through. They must kill him. But what do I know: Hughie forgave A-Train...fucking whacky bit, that.
Also, further assumption: This (V1 being a permanent power-nullifier for ordinary supes) would imply, rather than an obligatory need to kill all supes, a non-lethal alternative exists to the virus (take away bad supes' powers with V1 - as opposed to V1 only being a virus immunity for "good" supes). Butcher will see the virus, as he always has, as a better, "nuke the site from orbit"-option and this will be the ultimate cause of the final, irreversible rift between him and his team - which is something the show has been dancing around for ages. They're always at odds, sure, but then they're not.
Assumptions, assumptions, but nonetheless...
I really, really, really hope they do attempt an end similar to the books. The show has been toying with Butcher having reached point(s) of no return since its beginning. FUCKING COMMIT, ALREADY. Once Homelander is dealt with, Butcher needs to become the rabid dog he's supposed to be, killing MM, The Female, and Frenchie, and ultimately necessitating Hughie putting him down. This can probably be handled in about 30 minutes of the last episode, so it's not beyond the realm of possibility.
As for episode 5, itself: It's a "fun" (and I hate using this word) diversion for the most part. The Supernatural reunion is amusing, though the premise is pretty stupid and the hubris of the "This is the End" rehash is a bit eye-rolling. Producer Seth Rogan (In Cookie Monster voice): "I've got an Emmy now, bitches! I'm putting myself in the show!"
I like the show, but the current, primary story should have concluded two seasons ago or earlier. So, the source of the efficiency problem (which, to your point, is definitely a problem) is: Too many episodes with no progression. As of season 5: "There are another 8 episodes to create - the narrative, in one imperative sentence, 'Defeat Homelander!,' is the same narrative presented in season 1, episode 1." I honestly think another 3 hours is too much. This could be finished in an hour. But, series orders are series orders and Homelander is a lovely monster, so we're still doing this same shit, five seasons in.
Agreed. The only addition to the lore, this season, is V1. Ending the show, the task at hand, seemed to necessitate a reset at the season's start (drop most of the previous nuance and return to "The Boys vs. Homelander" conflict). So, to me, it doesn't feel like a final season because it feels like the first season. It's the same fucking story...with some more god stuff, this time.
I do like this show - I swear.
Yet, although I'm enjoying it, it is and will continue to be padded/filler until Homelander's and Butcher's stories are completed - which I don't imagine will happen until episode 8...and these don't require any more additions/examinations/qualifications. Again, to the show's discredit, we're waiting for resolution of a conflict from seven fucking years ago.
I wouldn't be surprised if the next episode is also another "fun" one (read: filler), while 7 will be The Boys killing the remaining non-Homelander members of "The Seven." Random comment: I was half-expecting all characters with a title card in episode 5 (Terror included) to get offed at the end of it. The vignettes all seemed like send-offs. My wife can't deal with on-screen animal deaths and Terror doesn't make it through the comics, so I was a bit on-edge. I guess the death of Firecracker is all she wrote for this one - to my benefit...at least, for now.
At this point, I just want a satisfying end - I do think it's possible. GET ON WITH IT, ALREADY!
Itchy.Tasty.
Gold Member
The entire middle chunk of this season just feels like filler. They've been chasing V1 the whole time but keep hitting detours, and there's very little in the way of compelling plot progression.
bitbydeath
Member
They're also overlooking that V1 killed almost everyone who took it, but hey, let's give it to everyone.
negator2vc
Member
Kripke cannot handle that people liked Homelander so he spend the final season to humilate him.
SB is practically carrying this season. Everyone else is
And seriously what's with the ass obsession of the writers???
SB is practically carrying this season. Everyone else is
And seriously what's with the ass obsession of the writers???
Damn, I thought I was all caught up and was wondering WTF this happened, then realized I stopped with like 5 minutes left in the ep so I guess I know where it's going
Too bad, the Firecracker actress has been, BY A FUCKING MILE, the best actress left on the show with an ability to actually emote and show legit concern, conflict, and fear. Plus she looks great in that outfit. The recent focus on Starlight highlights how weak that actress has become, either through facial paralysis via botox or just a general loss of motivation and understanding of how to act. She was probably never that great, TBH, but her naive fresh faced look carried the character a lot and thats looooong gone.
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