Grinchy
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But it makes me wonder what happens to them when they are in high school, college, or even writing resumes and cover letters. An employer is going to see these mistakes as a huge red flag.
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The butchering of the absolute basics of the English language - Have teachers stopped grading papers or is it an "everyone gets an A" scenario?
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Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
The worst one is "could/should/would of". Ugh, shit drives me crazy.
TTOOLL
Member
It's getting worse every day, I've seen some pretty absurd things at school.
Btw, I live in Brazil and work as a teacher, I majored in Portuguese and English.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
We should show xaero tolerance towards such typing behaviour.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
This right here is the only time I'm fine with such a horrifying example of misspelling.
Grinchy
Banned
Yeah, that might be the worst one for me. It makes it really hard to take a person seriously when they think "could of" makes sense.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
You could of given them the benefit've the doubt.
Grinchy
Banned
You shouldn't of sayed that.
Which reminds me, when people say "payed" instead of "paid" it's a little worrying too.
Halo is Back
Member
When I was in public high school, the curriculum was just about f**** poems and short stories. I was not prepared for college at all, had to learn how to write a paper there.
Tapioca
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Tapioca
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Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Advice / advise
Should of / would of etc. really rubs me up the wrong way. Should HAVE. Would HAVE.
Should of / would of etc. really rubs me up the wrong way. Should HAVE. Would HAVE.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
If people talk clearly, they do not sound exactly the same. Similar, yes, but not exactly the same.
Greedings
Member
Why do people fight about getting these things correct? I don't get it. An honest mistake is fine, but saying you don't give a shit just seems childish. It's like you're so precious that if anyone criticises your writing, you have to say English is a dumb language and it's stupid that the words are similar.
Grow the fuck up.
Grow the fuck up.
Schrödinger's cat
Banned
I like to think I've a reasonable vocabulary and sincerely enjoy the mental exercise of rummaging around my brain for words.
The same goes for my wife - who enjoys correcting TV newsreaders when they mess up grammatically.
I confess to being addicted to apostrophes. I slap 'em in wherever I can. They're great.
I try not to be too bothered about online literacy. My own lowers when I'm using tablet or phone keyboard, for example.
General literacy is important and is a cornerstone of a civilised society in my view. I'm of the opinion that it's declined, but think the internet and short-form messaging has been a far bigger influence to that decline than education.
The same goes for my wife - who enjoys correcting TV newsreaders when they mess up grammatically.
I confess to being addicted to apostrophes. I slap 'em in wherever I can. They're great.
I try not to be too bothered about online literacy. My own lowers when I'm using tablet or phone keyboard, for example.
General literacy is important and is a cornerstone of a civilised society in my view. I'm of the opinion that it's declined, but think the internet and short-form messaging has been a far bigger influence to that decline than education.
royox
Member
Isn't it ironic that not native english people use all of this better than natural english ones?
Paracelsus
Member
You have to say that to the millions of people unable to process elementary school education. That's when you learn "you are" and "your".
I remember getting into arguments with people saying "post pictures of you're (or spelt "you are") waifu" because I knew ESLs would think that's actually correct. And, sure enough, now they think "should of" and "should have" are the same because they sound the same (shud'uv).
Americans don't study grammar anymore.
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Kadayi
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Pants are what you wear under trousers Mak, unless you're cosplaying as Superman (if culturally appropriate obviously).
Dontero
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Because most of people who use internet are not from countries which have English as main language.
For example Slavs don't understand use of a/an/the because such stuff does not exist in their language.
Same with various times which are confusing as fuck to anyone who operates in normal means of just past present future.
you are /you're are other thing most of people don't get and is confusing and why so many people get it wrong. Because in most of languages you do not join words like that.
One thing is sure english you know will no longer be english people use in very near future commonly. It already isn't. IT changed a lot just in past 300 years and it is practically different language from english in midi-evil times or before.
For example Slavs don't understand use of a/an/the because such stuff does not exist in their language.
Same with various times which are confusing as fuck to anyone who operates in normal means of just past present future.
you are /you're are other thing most of people don't get and is confusing and why so many people get it wrong. Because in most of languages you do not join words like that.
One thing is sure english you know will no longer be english people use in very near future commonly. It already isn't. IT changed a lot just in past 300 years and it is practically different language from english in midi-evil times or before.
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Greedings
Member
I would say that falls under "an honest mistake". Also foreigners are immune to this criticism.
hivsteak
Member
We’re creatures of habit its hard to break grammatical and spelling errors especially because writing has a dependency on speech. When writing we rely more on pronunciation and the shape of words than learned rules. Its important to know its not a new trend. This link isn’t for a study on english, but many of the same concepts carry over https://arxiv.org/pdf/1403.4759.pdf
“Amongst the various error trends discussed for Sindhi language the one found to be most frequent is substitution errors caused due to the shape similarity of the letters in Sindhi alphabet and also due to the similar pronunciation of various letters. The other type of error found in Sindhi language are the omission or deletion of space character at the word boundaries. From the studied presented for Sindhi it can be assumed that these results and error trends and patters will also apply to other languages that are similar to Persio-Arabic script”
“Amongst the various error trends discussed for Sindhi language the one found to be most frequent is substitution errors caused due to the shape similarity of the letters in Sindhi alphabet and also due to the similar pronunciation of various letters. The other type of error found in Sindhi language are the omission or deletion of space character at the word boundaries. From the studied presented for Sindhi it can be assumed that these results and error trends and patters will also apply to other languages that are similar to Persio-Arabic script”
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thief183
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Part of the problem is the autocorrect bullshit of phones and tablets, my phone keeps trying to correct what I write in italian and after the 10th time you need to go back and correct, you get pissed off and stop caring. It is taking ages to write this post having to correct almost every single word
Pejo
Member
I work with grown ass adults that still say stupid stuff like "Explanation Mark" for !
That said, it sure seems to be a lot more lax these days than it used to be, but I think a poster early in the thread made a good point that we do more text based communication now opposed to calls/voice. There may have been just as many people thinking the wrong thing before but we never knew because they weren't writing it down.
That said, it sure seems to be a lot more lax these days than it used to be, but I think a poster early in the thread made a good point that we do more text based communication now opposed to calls/voice. There may have been just as many people thinking the wrong thing before but we never knew because they weren't writing it down.
What follows are actual excerpts from my middle managers aka. useless, morbidly obese, sacks of shit:
“I look forward to solutioning this problem with you.”
“What learnings can we take away from this?”
“We must be clear, concise, and not ambiguous”
“The project team has done considerable amount of work in establishing the overarching concept of using risk-based sampling approach to validate and ensure accountabilities”
“Developing review questions aimed at achieving the accountabilities.”
“The Post Verification Review process procedures are reasonable”
If any organization needs to save money, please cut out the mindless stupidity between the people leading the organization and the professionals who have the expertise to carry them out.
“I look forward to solutioning this problem with you.”
“What learnings can we take away from this?”
“We must be clear, concise, and not ambiguous”
“The project team has done considerable amount of work in establishing the overarching concept of using risk-based sampling approach to validate and ensure accountabilities”
“Developing review questions aimed at achieving the accountabilities.”
“The Post Verification Review process procedures are reasonable”
If any organization needs to save money, please cut out the mindless stupidity between the people leading the organization and the professionals who have the expertise to carry them out.
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
As a middle manager who has seen all of this take place in "professional" environments, I agree with this post.
Schrödinger's cat
Banned
Thank you. As a useless, morbidly obese sack of shit I fully intend to put some of these to use in my next project update meeting.
Your insights are valuable and I'd welcome opening a dialogue with you to review projections on the net gains to our deliverables that your experiences can bring. Skype me a meeting if you're not hot-desking and we can network. I forecast a positive outlook on our stretch goals!
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
Hmm, but does this result in efficiency gains? I'd like to start a dialogue with you and your team about this change to our pipeline.
Schrödinger's cat
Banned
All I'm saying is that once we downsize the redundancy that duplication of effort brings, we can re-purpose that resource to the benefit of our primary stakeholders.
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
One sec while I put this on our kanban board. This is good synergy!
Grinchy
Banned
Yeah, maybe people have always been this horrible at the most simple rules, but I still wonder if that's the case or not.
I don't have any kids so I don't know what they're learning in school these days. When I see people in this thread talking about college students writing at middle school levels, it does make me lean towards schools just not properly teaching this stuff anymore. I never really cared that much about writing, but the simple rules were drilled into my head at such an early age that I never thought about them again.
naaz simra
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Thanks
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Cybrwzrd
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As a native speaker? How are they easy to mix up? I can understand mixing up "Affect" and "Effect", but simple shit like "Their", "There", and "They're" is elementary English. "Your" and "You're" is also a common offender that boggles my mind as to how people can screw it up, unless they are just using auto-correct and not making any effort whatsoever.
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Red Crayon Aristocrat
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Your/you're still trips me up sometimes.
LordRaptor
Member
Not really, Robinson Crusoe is nearly 300 years old but is still understandable to most english readers with a decent vocabulary.
Opening paragraphs:
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Cybrwzrd
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You are = You're. Don't write using contractions.
Grinchy
Banned
Does it help to visualize it? I feel like animated gifs of this would make it so clear.
TheDreadLord
Member
I am not a native speaker of English but I do see lot of natives not knowing how to differentiate “it’s” from “its”.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
simple answer: convenience trumps all.
you know how much time is wasted by hitting the back arrow and finding the right punctuation mark? maybe this could be fixed with auto-correct but more often than not they throw in an apostrophe in the wrong place, and you spend time correcting the correction.
Grinchy
Banned
Definitely, but at least that one is arguably confusing. Since we use apostrophes for possessive nouns/pronouns that aren't 'it," I get why people mix that one up.
"That is it's problem" doesn't seem wrong to most people, so I'm not surprised to see it used that way so often. My brain can't help read it properly, though ("That is it is problem'). So it does bother me a little bit, but I let the its vs it's slide.
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#Phonepunk#
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imo the larger problem is speech policing. if people didn't care what others wrote and didn't get so upset, the world would be a much nicer place. it can be something as simple as ignoring incorrect punctuation. the need to control another's speech is kind of anti-social imo. it encourages territorialism and tribalism.
tbh who the fuck cares? language is constantly evolving, and on the plus side there is all kinds of bizarre new memes and traditions being born of the internet that now span continents & languages. the standards are old ass standards for physical literature that is no longer what is primarily being consumed. older physical literature was heavily policed. on the invention of the printing press there was heavy suppression, church and state authorities would burn unauthorized works, in public, to make an example.
now, that kind of control is a distant historical curiosity, we are living in a Great Flood of works. it is similar to film, tv, music, etc. it is easier to produce work than ever before now, the means of production have been democratized with the internet, not only is it easier to make something (ever-increasing dependency on automation), it is easy to distribute. there is now a mass lack of effort. thus as more people join these trades, the standards have gone down. gate-keeping likely has some effect on quality, as bad as it is with representation.
tbh who the fuck cares? language is constantly evolving, and on the plus side there is all kinds of bizarre new memes and traditions being born of the internet that now span continents & languages. the standards are old ass standards for physical literature that is no longer what is primarily being consumed. older physical literature was heavily policed. on the invention of the printing press there was heavy suppression, church and state authorities would burn unauthorized works, in public, to make an example.
now, that kind of control is a distant historical curiosity, we are living in a Great Flood of works. it is similar to film, tv, music, etc. it is easier to produce work than ever before now, the means of production have been democratized with the internet, not only is it easier to make something (ever-increasing dependency on automation), it is easy to distribute. there is now a mass lack of effort. thus as more people join these trades, the standards have gone down. gate-keeping likely has some effect on quality, as bad as it is with representation.
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hariseldon
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I see these particular mistakes often made by older people, so it's not necessarily a product of modern educational problems. In general I don't buy the argument that it's informal as it's on the internet - if you write it wrong on the internet it's because you habitually write it that way anywhere. Tbh I think it's just people being thick. One odd thing btw - when I taught abroad, the Dutch kids beat the English kids in English (and the Koreans destroyed everyone in Maths).
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hariseldon
Unconfirmed Member
English is an absolute abomination tbh, but you're right about pronounciation being ok and it's in large part due to all sentences coming with a decent number of checksums and extra context information which helps to render the uncertain bits a lot more easily.