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[Aylinato]

This movie gets wayyy too much hatred. People keep coming up with "plot holes" which aren't plot holes, they just fail to pay attention to details that explain how everything they complain about.


The only complaint that I've ever not been annoyed about is the batman bridge thing. That's the only complaint that has ever made sense. I feel it made for an awesome part of the movie. However I can understand complaints, although we must remember batman is trained in theatrics which has been part of his training and batman, especially this one, loves being flashy.

I guess that lady's death was a bad cut too, so editing issue there.

 

[JB1981]

dude, didn't you see

gotham was just over the hill

Would it really have made any difference to you if the movie spent time explaining HOW Batman got back to Gotham. It's Batman, it's implied that he knows his way around. Dude is a Ninja, has traveled the world, has contacts all over. Nolan was right to skip over that

 

[shinobi602]

Whoa, the consensus here is that most didn't like it? I thought it was fantastic. Between Shutter Island a couple days ago and now this, I continue to see my tastes don't mesh with anybody's here lol. Fine with me.

 

[GG-Duo]

You mean Selina Kyle the cat burglar and Robin.

the cute girl and that one cop guy

 

[Maidenpool?]

The story has plenty of plot holes. Like how Bruce got back to Gotham from the middle of a desert, or how despite the fact that the whole GCPD has been chasing him for years, an orphan knew that Wayne was Batman because he looked in his eyes. There are more, but those were the two off the top of my head.

As far as the fight scenes, I hate to beat a dead horse but...

And none of this is even beginning to go into how badly Batman was characterized through the whole movie.

Bruce getting back to Gotham isn't a plot hole - it's established in Batman Begins that he learns to travel around the world undercover, and he knows how to walk across ice. Keep in mind Bane's army isn't that large, they are guarding a huge area, and their biggest advantage is the lie about the "triggerman." There really is nothing preventing anyone from entering - as long as they are reasonably covert and understand how to navigate a sheet of ice.

The orphan thing isn't a goof either - it's a nice emotional component to the story - no matter how hard the police looked, it was a fellow orphan that could spot Batman a mile away. This establishes the connection Bruce has with orphan children, and the eventual turnover of Wayne Manor to the orphan kids. It's nice... it isn't a mistake.

As for the fight scene goof... I can't argue that. But still, I thought the fight scenes were great, especially Bane v. Batman II - the amount of effort that went into that was unreal.

 

[Aylinato]

Would it really have made any difference to you if the movie spent time explaining HOW Batman got back to Gotham. It's Batman, it's implied that he knows his way around. Dude is a Ninja, has traveled the world, has contacts all over. Nolan was right to skip over that

It was never explained how much time batman was in the cave, but we do know that he had at least 6 months to make it back. So it's feasible to get back in time. He's also the goddamn batman.

 

[Death Metalist]

I thought this movie was pretty cool the first few times I saw it but, with NeoGAFs help, I've come to realize what a terrible mistake that was. Hindsight is 20/20, of course, but this movie is such godawful trash for me now. So, yes, it didn't age well* at all. I can't believe I didn't actually walk out of the theater on it. May just be one of the worst movies I've ever seen. I mean, Bruce made it back to Gotham so fast. What the hell was that!?

(*"Age well" is basically a term for seeing a movie, reading the general opinion of that movie on the internet, and then seeing it again with a fresh look on why it's the worst thing you've ever seen. A movie could potentially age poorly in a week's time.)

If this would be one of the worst movies you have ever seen I'd hate to see then what you'd think about movies like The Room, Son of the Mask, Birdemic, Battlefield Earth, Baby Geniuses and many other movies that really are just plain "bad" movies.

 

[Sephzilla]

It just feels like Nolan and company didn't really want to make a third Batman movie. TDKR just feels so phoned in at times that it's really disappointing. It's still by far a better movie than Batman Forever and Batman & Robin, but I don't think it stands above the first two Nolan movies or the Burton movies.

 

[MattKeil]

I'm actually concerned about Interstellar now.

Unless Goyer is writing Interstellar, I wouldn't worry too much. TDKR is a Goyer script through and through, while Begins and TDK are unquestionably Jonah Nolan's work. I don't believe for one second that TDK and TDKR were written by the same person. TDKR bears all the Goyer hallmarks of nonsensical character behavior, forcing setpiece/trailer shots into the plot whether they make sense or not (the flaming bat logo on the bridge being the prime example), and constant thematic muddling culminating in a climax that pretty much just says "Trust me, this is what happened, just go with it."

While people love to point out the sloppy fight choreography, wonder how Bruce got back to Gotham so fast (he didn't, it took weeks and maybe months), and make fun of Bale's batvoice, TDKR's really serious problems start with the script.

 

[Pops Maellard]

Whoa, the consensus here is that most didn't like it? I thought it was fantastic. Between Shutter Island a couple days ago and now this, I continue to see my tastes don't mesh with anybody's here lol. Fine with me.

I feel the same way about both of those films. Scorcese got to make an entertaining B movie and Nolan did something vaguely interesting within a previously constrained genre. TDKR is not an amazing film, and arguably not even a good film if you can't see past it's failings, but it's by no means terrible. Hardy's Bane is fantastic, and easily holds up to Heath Ledger's performance in the previous film.

 

[Randam]

"ages terribly"

release 2012.


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:-?

 

[Death Metalist]

Whoa, the consensus here is that most didn't like it? I thought it was fantastic. Between Shutter Island a couple days ago and now this, I continue to see my tastes don't mesh with anybody's here lol. Fine with me.

Don't worry, you're not alone lol.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

It aged so terribly that I literally went from liking it to not liking it as the movie progressed the first time I watched it in a theater in 2012

 

[Thatonemoor]

dude, didn't you see

gotham was just over the hill

The Fuck? You think Gotham, a city where it's been shown to have almost constant rain, is just a hill away from a fuckjng dessert? Then Fuck how he got there instead what planet do these movies take place in cause that makes no geological since.

 

[Delicious Waffles]

2 > 1 > 3 when it comes to the Nolan trilogy.

 

[MMarston]

I'm not gonna say that TDKR was hands-down a bad movie but compared to BB and TDK it truly is the weakest.

In fact, I organized a marathon 3 months ago with some friends of the trilogy, and whereas I was in cinematic bliss while with the first 2 again for the nth time, I found myself checking my phone and talking about other stuff with my friends too many times while the 3rd one was on my TV (which at the time was my 3rd viewing of it, I watched the other 2 a bajillion times, particularly with TDK).

There was just something so off about TDKR and I'm not even talking about the plot holes everyone complains about. It just felt so out of place with the first two; maybe it was because it threw subtlety out the window this time. I mean sure, Batman Begins had ninjas and microwave weaponry, but something about TDKR big disaster movie style just didn't click with me for long. On my first viewing in the theatre? Sure. But on repeated viewings, it just didn't feel right at all. Didn't help that the pacing felt rather poorly organized too now that I look at it.

I kinda feel especially bad because I remember obnoxiously shoving my hype for the movie down everyone's throats in the 2 years leading up to it. Granted, it felt worth it on release day, but it has pretty much felt like letdown from now on. It's a solid conclusion to a trilogy, but not as great as its predecessors.


MoS on the other hand? Now that was a piece of shit from the get-go.

 

[BadAss2961]

Whoa, the consensus here is that most didn't like it? I thought it was fantastic. Between Shutter Island a couple days ago and now this, I continue to see my tastes don't mesh with anybody's here lol. Fine with me.

Don't worry about it. We have this thread like every month where the haters can vent. Same with Man of Steel.

TDKR could've been a lot better. But it's still one of the better CBMs and up to par with the rest of the trilogy.

 

[Fuchsdh]

I think you need at minimum 5 years to say something aged bad. 2 years is waaaay too recent.

Yeah "aged terribly" implies that the style and substance of the film are out of date and feel anachronistic. The bizarre "Occupy Gotham" subplot will probably feel really weird in a few decades removed from this recession, but I don't think its issues have to do with contemporary attitudes. It's just weak in points and overlong.

 

[UrbanRats]

As far as the fight scenes, I hate to beat a dead horse but...

And none of this is even beginning to go into how badly Batman was characterized through the whole movie.

That white thing on the ground is ice.
Ice = slippery.

 

[The Cretan]

One of my favorite movies.

Bane starts out as the ultimate genius badass, mastermind of an elaborate plot, but it turns out that he was just a sad henchman.

I think we don't know that. Bane made decisions without asking Talia. She could have informed Bane what to do in each situation, but we don't know that and in the end, he would kill Batman, but Talia wanted to die by the bomb. Maybe this was a Talia's order, but it could be her wish, not something Bane had to obey.

Not explaining how someone got half way across the world with nothing but tattered clothes is absolutely a plot hole. He was in the desert one minute, then the next scene he's back home with no explanation.

I agree, it should have been explained, Bruce could said that he had "routes" to Gotham (secret telephone numbers to communicate Alfred, or people in many places in the world to take him to Gotham just in case).

Such a disappointment. Do you really expect me to believe Batman would retire for 8 years because his girlfriend died? I mean come on, that completely contradicts the ending of The Dark Knight.

Batman retired because he didn't want Joker to win.

 

[Escape Goat]

"ages terribly"

release 2012.


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:-?

Cinematography doesn't advance at a steady pace. Before the matrix special effects were judged by a certain standard. Star Wars raised the bar and advanced the idea of what sci-fi movies could be. Iron Man and The Avengers changed how super heroes were portrayed on screen.

 

[thecouncil]

Would it really have made any difference to you if the movie spent time explaining HOW Batman got back to Gotham. It's Batman, it's implied that he knows his way around. Dude is a Ninja, has traveled the world, has contacts all over. Nolan was right to skip over that

When he walked up to Catwoman in Gotham, he should've addressed his methods.

A detailed explanation of his travel itinerary would have been asking for too much (though appreciated), but he could've at least showed her some boarding passes or something.

 

[bob_arctor]

Begins is my favorite but Rises is still tons of fun and Bane is dope as hell. Endlessly quotable with a great voice you can't help but try to mimic in any random real life scenario. Plus, the first fight when Bats gets his back broken was completely badass.

Oddly enough, I think TDK has aged the worst. But I still love it. Maybe because it's the most "realistic", less comic book of the three? I dunno.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Bruce getting back to Gotham isn't a plot hole - it's established in Batman Begins that he learns to travel around the world undercover, and he knows how to walk across ice. Keep in mind Bane's army isn't that large, they are guarding a huge area, and their biggest advantage is the lie about the "triggerman." There really is nothing preventing anyone from entering - as long as they are reasonably covert and understand how to navigate a sheet of ice.

The orphan thing isn't a goof either - it's a nice emotional component to the story - no matter how hard the police looked, it was a fellow orphan that could spot Batman a mile away. This establishes the connection Bruce has with orphan children, and the eventual turnover of Wayne Manor to the orphan kids. It's nice... it isn't a mistake.

As for the fight scene goof... I can't argue that. But still, I thought the fight scenes were great, especially Bane v. Batman II - the amount of effort that went into that was unreal.

He was a man who had all of his money and assets sized by Bane and Talia. He's not supposed to have the access to everything he had while he was Batman. That was the whole point of infiltrating him from the inside and throwing him in a hole to die in the first place. It would be a vast accomplishment for anyone, even Batman, to go across half the world to get back to America within (I believe it was) a week before the bomb goes off. An accomplishment so big that I think it deserves an explanation because it's so unbelievable. Also, you're having to fill a lot of this in with your own assumptions about how he actually got back, which kind of only lends credence to my argument that there was a hole to be filled in the plot. I could probably fill most plot holes in movies if I just made up the explanation in my head. That doesn't make it any less of a plot hole in the actual movie though.

As far as Robin, it's a cop out so they didn't have to have a good reason to link the two characters together. At best it's very poor writing, and at worst, it's a plot hole because it makes absolutely no sense. By that logic every orphan in Gotham could figure out who Batman was.

 

[Popnbake]

That's how I felt when I walked out of the theater. I've never been so...deflated coming out of a hyped up movie release.

My hype was through the roof after the MTV trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rBxL7OPNUo

It was such a different movie experience then seeing the Dark Knight.
You could hear gasps when the Joker showed the pencil trick and applause when Gordon revealed himself to be alive.

The Dark Knight Rises was near silent throughtout the movie and you could hear people going "How did he come back?" when Bruce appeared in the city.

Oh well, still a good batman trilogy.

Begins is my favorite but Rises is still tons of fun and Bane is dope as hell. Endlessly quotable with a great voice you can't help but try to mimic in any random real life scenario. Plus, the first fight when Bats gets his back broken was completely badass.

Oddly enough, I think TDK has aged the worst. But I still love it. Maybe because it's the most "realistic", less comic book of the three? I dunno.

Spinning punch aside, I loved their first fight.

But I don't know what they were thinking having their final fight in a crowd of people using guns......

 

[MattKeil]

When he walked up to Catwoman in Gotham, he should've addressed his methods.

A detailed explanation of his travel itinerary would have been asking for too much (though appreciated), but he could've at least showed her some boarding passes or something.

"I'm Bruce fucking Wayne" is really the only explanation needed there. He's resourceful, well trained, has contacts all over the world from his travels, and is fairly famous. I really didn't wonder how he got back to Gotham. I wondered why he stopped to paint a giant bat on the bridge tower in gasoline on the way into town, though.

 

[GitarooMan]

Whoa, the consensus here is that most didn't like it? I thought it was fantastic. Between Shutter Island a couple days ago and now this, I continue to see my tastes don't mesh with anybody's here lol. Fine with me.

I'm a huge fan too. I enjoy rewatching it more than Dark Knight.

 

[Ol No Bones]

Rises was a disappointment from start to finish. Just not good.

 

[……forgetit]

Great story
Great cinematography
Great acting (in places)
Great score

2 of those are true. The acting is the weakest in the series and the story is fucking terrible. Man of Steel was better MAN OF FUCKING STEEL.

 

[Mengy]

That white thing on the ground is ice.
Ice = slippery.

Oh come on, that's a HUGE reach and you know it. It's just bad fight choreography, plain and simple. Still, both Batman vs Bane fights more than make up for it.

 

[Daffy Duck]

Ages terribly? Not sure you used that correctly.

Seems I'm also in the minority that enjoyed this and still lives watching it. No it's not the greatest of the Nolan Batmans but it's still great.

 

[cloud_sleep]

This movie was soooooo 2012. The world was different then. You can't judge movies from a bygone era by modern standards.

(never liked it)

 

[JB1981]

Unless Goyer is writing Interstellar, I wouldn't worry too much. TDKR is a Goyer script through and through, while Begins and TDK are unquestionably Jonah Nolan's work. I don't believe for one second that TDK and TDKR were written by the same person. TDKR bears all the Goyer hallmarks of nonsensical character behavior, forcing setpiece/trailer shots into the plot whether they make sense or not (the flaming bat logo on the bridge being the prime example), and constant thematic muddling culminating in a climax that pretty much just says "Trust me, this is what happened, just go with it."

While people love to point out the sloppy fight choreography, wonder how Bruce got back to Gotham so fast (he didn't, it took weeks and maybe months), and make fun of Bale's batvoice, TDKR's really serious problems start with the script.

Seems the general story outline is Goyer/Nolan but Christopher and Jonathan Nolan wrote the screenplay together and Chris directed the movie. Don't see any reason to place unnecessary blame on Goyer in this case. TDK had some of the same pacing issues TDKR had anyway. Also Begins has the tightest script of the lot and Goyer was more heavily involved there than any of them.

 

[thecouncil]

This movie gave me Bane confirming lunch orders with his group and for that I am grateful.

 

[Edag Plata]

Oh, I guess I'm in the minority in that I loved the movie.

 

[Pops Maellard]

That white thing on the ground is ice.
Ice = slippery.

No, that's snow. Rather dry looking snow, as it were.

It would be impossible to slip on it.

 

[Thatonemoor]

Bruce getting back to Gotham isn't a plot hole - it's established in Batman Begins that he learns to travel around the world undercover, and he knows how to walk across ice. Keep in mind Bane's army isn't that large, they are guarding a huge area, and their biggest advantage is the lie about the "triggerman." There really is nothing preventing anyone from entering - as long as they are reasonably covert and understand how to navigate a sheet of ice.

No the problem with Bruce getting back into Gotham isn't him getting into the city itself it's how did he get from a dessert in the middle of nowhere (Presumably the middle east) Back to Gotham when he has nothing but the clothes on his back.

 

[bob_arctor]

Whoa, the consensus here is that most didn't like it? I thought it was fantastic. Between Shutter Island a couple days ago and now this, I continue to see my tastes don't mesh with anybody's here lol. Fine with me.

Yup, GAF is that lone rebel in a sea of general agreement. *shrug* Makes for fun discussion at least.

 

[MattKeil]

Seems the general story outline is Goyer/Nolan but Christopher and Jonathan Nolan wrote the screenplay together and Chris directed the movie. Don't see any reason to place unnecessary blame on Goyer in this case. TDK had some of the same pacing issues TDKR had anyway

But TDK doesn't have the character issues and plot discrepancies that are so similar to what pops up in Man of Steel and the Blade films, which are also Goyer scripts. TDKR's script just screams Goyer to me, in a way that the other two Nolan Batman films do not. Maybe people in this thread are right, and Nolan was just eager to be done with the Batman story, so not as much fine tuning was done to the script, but it is strikingly unlike the other two films' scripts, IMO.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Yup, GAF is that lone rebel in a sea of general agreement. *shrug* Makes for fun discussion at least.

Really? Everyone I know at least thinks it's the worst movie of the Trilogy, with a bunch of them agreeing that it's a bad movie.

 

[thecouncil]

"I'm Bruce fucking Wayne" is really the only explanation needed there. He's resourceful, well trained, has contacts all over the world from his travels, and is fairly famous.

No, not good enough. Like I said, a nice sit down with Catwoman where he outlined his flight path is all they needed to do. Could've been a quick 10 minute scene or something.

I'm kidding. It's an irrelevant point and this movie was cool...

The fire bat on the bridge scene was definitely odd though. Haha.

 

[jb1234]

I saw it for the first time about a month ago and while it has issues (first half very draggy), I very much enjoyed it by the end.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

One of my favorite movies.

I think we don't know that. Bane made decisions without asking Talia. She could have informed Bane what to do in each situation, but we don't know that and in the end, he would kill Batman, but Talia wanted to die by the bomb. Maybe this was a Talia's order, but it could be her wish, not something Bane had to obey.

They jumped through hoops to humanize Bane. He was a monster who would execute his own henchmen like they were nothing, but in the end he's supposed to be this unfortunate guy who was in love. The whole movie was incompetent like that.

 

[PIMPBYBLUD]

Agreed the movie feels rushed and sucks. Batman Begins remains my favorite.

 

[JB1981]

"I'm Bruce fucking Wayne" is really the only explanation needed there. He's resourceful, well trained, has contacts all over the world from his travels, and is fairly famous. I really didn't wonder how he got back to Gotham. I wondered why he stopped to paint a giant bat on the bridge tower in gasoline on the way into town, though.

The emotional "that is an awesome image" part of my brain overrode the logical "how did he get up there" part of my brain in that scene.

 

[Winterblink]

It had some qualities, but my recollection of it - only saw it once, in theaters - was that it felt really sloppy. The plot was a bit of a mess (characters jump continents and in and out of the isolated Gotham island with ease), some odd takes were used (that dead.gif comes to mind) and the action was disjointed and poorly staged. For instance:



....this. Almost like Nolan was bored, or inattentive.

Or the kick to the guy's hand holding the gun was meant to shoot the guy on the far left. I dunno, maybe that's putting lipstick on a pig.

 

[NealMcCauley]

It's pretty good, but, besides Prestige and Insomnia, Nolan's films don't have much replay value for me.

 

[bob_arctor]

Really? Everyone I know at least thinks it's the worst movie of the Trilogy, with a bunch of them agreeing that it's a bad movie.

On the other side of the same anecdotal coin, all my friends and fam loved it, with some thinking it the best of the trilogy. Overall opinion based on reviews and box office would point towards favorable however.

 

[Skiptastic]

I disagree. I enjoyed it greatly and have continued to enjoy it upon subsequent viewings.

I am sorry you do not share this opinion.

 

[Astral Dog]

I dont see how it has "aged" it has been only a few years since it was released, and always had kind of a mixed reaction after the Dark Knight