Zen_Arcade
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And they had a montage showing how he got there. They could have cut the awful ghost of Ras crap he had in the pit and used that time to show him getting home and reflecting on lessons learned in the pit that way.
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The Dark Knight Rises ages terribly.
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Bane only escaped when the League of Shadows came and rescued him.
The entire point of Bane's plan was to give people false hope. In Gotham he gives them false hope that they can survive and he wants to give Bruce false hope that if he just tries hard enough he can save Gotham.
He doesn't kill him because he wants Bruce to suffer from knowing he failed to save Gotham.
Except its not Banes revenge.
Death Metalist
Member
Here is my other to Zen_Arcade further on this matter.
" You're right in that regard but I thought he had the knowledge of whatever place he was in after he got out of the hole and saw his surroundings then again you could argue if he did why didn't he save the people in the hole a long time ago? It all boils down to how much you are willing to suspend your disbelief and lazy writing. Who knows maybe Bruce walked endlessly till he found someone and sought his/her help? At this point, anything is fucking possible to how he returned to Gotham lol. "
" Maybe it would have been better for Nolan to show/explain how he got to Gotham but to me It didn't bother me. Bruce has done pretty insane shit over the past two movies and his character in comics/other movies as a whole so how he returned to Gotham was insignificant to me but I could see how it could bother other people. "
Editing this in: Any movie can be nitpicked and talked about the believability of said thing to DEATH but then one wouldn't enjoy movies if you have to question everything. The person would be better off reading a book or something.
Bane becoming a henchman in the final act solidified this as a bad movie to me.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Chie Satonaka
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Huh. I don't remember. I saw the movie twice, but it's been awhile. I didn't care for it very much.
Even still, it's a dumb plan. Killing him would have meant success. "Oh, now I get to revel in the fact that you're suffering because you failed!" Or you could just kill him and he fails automatically.
...Bah. It's on demand. Now I'm probably going to need to rewatch it.
Ok so Bane is explaining Talias plan during all of that, they want Bruce to suffer.
"Don't kill him. I want him to feel the heat."
"To feel the fire of twelve million souls you failed."
"You see, it's the slow knife... the knife that takes its time, the knife that waits years without forgetting, then slips quietly between the bones... that's the knife that cuts deepest."
Mighty Chin
Banned
Shutter Island is fucking Terrible.
Yay, I'm not the only one.
evilromero
Member
Dude MoS IS NOT even close to the best super hero movie. And I think this is completely objective. There's hardly a movie underneath the non-stop action. It's devoid of character development, interesting exposition or any kind of coherent story. It's like a strange dream of cobbled together sequences.
I wouldn't say it is better than TDK, but for me it is much better than Begins. The first time I saw Rises, I was kinda indifferent to it. I enjoyed it, but I didn't quite know how to process it. After a second viewing a few weeks later I was able to process it and compare it to the previous films and how it fit into the trilogy. Ended up placing it above Begins.
shinobi602
Member
Well I'm not sure what you want me to say lol. That's cool?
PerezDeCorcho
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TheChewyWaffles
Member
Why? Success isn't Bruce dying, it's Bruce watching everyone else in Gotham die. Bruce could live for another 50 years after that, they don't care, the win is shoving Bruce's failure is in his face. He has no way of experiencing that if he's dead before anything happens.
It's the absolute worst of school of thought for film criticism. I blame Honest Trailers, Everything Wrong with [blank], and all that other shit for spreading it around.
Lamel
Banned
The story has plenty of plot holes. Like how Bruce got back to Gotham from the middle of a desert, or how despite the fact that the whole GCPD has been chasing him for years, an orphan knew that Wayne was Batman because he looked in his eyes. There are more, but those were the two off the top of my head.
As far as the fight scenes, I hate to beat a dead horse but...
And none of this is even beginning to go into how badly Batman was characterized through the whole movie.
The dude that batman kicks has a gun in his hand that is fired in the direction of the guy that trips.
The whole Bane buildup was click-bait in film form.
"You won't believe who Bane was working for... "
Zen_Arcade
Banned
People say that, but it's not remotely evident. Especially when watching the scene. I'm not saying that that's not what they were going for, but they did a bad job at conveying it.
Nerdkiller
Membeur
Ahhh yes. The comic book movie circus in which we somehow try to label TDKR as this terrible movie, even though it's not...really. Somehow, I wonder if there's people here who think it's a worse movie that Batman and Robin. Ohhh, that'll be the day.
The Technomancer
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Its really not good. Its easily one of Nolan's messiest films. I mean, its maybe as good as Thor 2, but then people don't think that highly of Thor 2 either
Hidden One
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Man of steel wasn't that great IMO.
Discotheque
Banned
Maybe as good as Thor 2? Lmao
The Thor movies aren't even as good as daredevil
This shit was pretty wack for the most part tho.
Xmen apocalypse and guardians 2 is all that matters in the future
Only excited for batman bin suparman because of the 2 most hype characters in comic book history imo, action will be on point not sure about the rest tho
The Thor movies aren't even as good as daredevil
This shit was pretty wack for the most part tho.
Xmen apocalypse and guardians 2 is all that matters in the future
Only excited for batman bin suparman because of the 2 most hype characters in comic book history imo, action will be on point not sure about the rest tho
I've ranted so many times about this movie that I won't do it again (and it's late in here) but the point I always took with this movie is that Nolan didn't want to do it.
The script on this is simply lazy. Lazy to the bone. It's also riddled with moments that happen just so we can get a cool shot and don't follow logic at all. Like Bane going to the prison to have a few words with Bruce, or Batman painting the bat symbol on a building when he shouldn't have been wasting any time.
There are so many idiotic things in this that it's clear that they just didn't care. If we contrast it with Inception that had a clever script with some cool ideas it becomes even more apparent.
It also has one of the most idiotic and ignorant takes on the 1 per cent issue I have ever seen in media. It was actually insulting how they portrayed the rich people as the victims and made the rebels (or the poor) ravaging lunatics.
I said I wouldn't rant and I'm starting to so I'll just stop. The movie had great cinematography but that was about it. The pacing was okay even if the movie dragged along in places, the editing was very by the numbers and the direction was also very average and the movie cheated when it come to time passed several times (like escaping the prision, or running away from an atomic bomb), so it wasn't perfect on that either.
This movie also gets the distinction of making me literally face palm and start laughing at the theatre when the whole "Robin" scene happened. Coming into the movie I didn't expect to be doing that.
The script on this is simply lazy. Lazy to the bone. It's also riddled with moments that happen just so we can get a cool shot and don't follow logic at all. Like Bane going to the prison to have a few words with Bruce, or Batman painting the bat symbol on a building when he shouldn't have been wasting any time.
There are so many idiotic things in this that it's clear that they just didn't care. If we contrast it with Inception that had a clever script with some cool ideas it becomes even more apparent.
It also has one of the most idiotic and ignorant takes on the 1 per cent issue I have ever seen in media. It was actually insulting how they portrayed the rich people as the victims and made the rebels (or the poor) ravaging lunatics.
I said I wouldn't rant and I'm starting to so I'll just stop. The movie had great cinematography but that was about it. The pacing was okay even if the movie dragged along in places, the editing was very by the numbers and the direction was also very average and the movie cheated when it come to time passed several times (like escaping the prision, or running away from an atomic bomb), so it wasn't perfect on that either.
This movie also gets the distinction of making me literally face palm and start laughing at the theatre when the whole "Robin" scene happened. Coming into the movie I didn't expect to be doing that.
Nerdkiller
Membeur
Ehhh, I wasn't a fan of Insomnia. And Thor 2 was just "blah". Not good, not bad, just...blah.
But yeah, I think TDKR get railed a bit too much. I mean, we all know that it was never gonna live up to the last movie, but I don't think it's as much of a disappointment in terms of bad trilogy endings as Return of the Jedi was.
And about that ending...I never knew the whole "Bruce Wayne being there" was meant to be taken literally. More or less ambiguous, in my mind.
Begins and Dark Knight were so good, DKR feels like a fo hum finale to me. I wanted to like it more but man, at the end, it didn't have me feeling great, it felt cold. Bane was ok but not as great as the villains before him, Talia stunk. I did like Catwoman though but I dunno, it felt off to me.
And don't get me started on Man of Steel...ugh.
And don't get me started on Man of Steel...ugh.
Helpless Hometown Motor
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The Dark Knight Rises was The Godfather Part III of the trilogy for me. It wasn't terrible (at least a 75/109), it had some redeeming moments, but had some critical flaws that spoiled the movie.
Also:
Gonna have to fight for it.
Also:
Gonna have to fight for it.
biggersmaller
Banned
I think that Bruce should have been broken earlier in the movie. In a way, accelerate or cut some of the buildup or shift it to after the fight. I think that's part of the problem. Cut the plane scene or and shift the stock market heist to before everything else. Bruce had to kind of go through the same trial twice in a way.
Discotheque
Banned
Godfather 3 also had a pretty amazing ending for such a disappointing film
Why wouldn't it be taken literally? Every other moment in the trilogy is to be taken at face value, why would that suddenly change for, of all things, the ending? This isn't Inception.
Helpless Hometown Motor
Member
But it wasn't well done campy. Well done campy is like Carpenter's Dark Star. It knows it's low budget goofiness, but it still manages to have a coherent, well put together, well written movie.
B&R doesn't know it's trash. Joel Schumacher didn't go on set, gather round the actors, and say "Okay people, let's get out there and make a piece of shit!"
Nicktendo86
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I have a love/hate relationship with this film. Parts of it was VERY well done, the first Bane fight for example has me on the end he of my seat. I can almost feel the punches, the look on Bruce's face after being pummeled is almost horrifying.
However
Hate that the joker isn't even mentioned.
Hate the way it kinda shat on the ending if TDK. Batman was supposed to be Gotham's watchful protector, not a holed up cripple.
Hate that the point of the film is that anyone can be batman, as he is just a symbol. I always take from the comics that only Bruce can be Batman and when others take up the mantle it never ends well. Nolan and co seem to have missed the point.
Overall it felt like it was being made by people who felt they had to, rather than wanted to.
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Hate that the joker isn't even mentioned.
Hate the way it kinda shat on the ending if TDK. Batman was supposed to be Gotham's watchful protector, not a holed up cripple.
Hate that the point of the film is that anyone can be batman, as he is just a symbol. I always take from the comics that only Bruce can be Batman and when others take up the mantle it never ends well. Nolan and co seem to have missed the point.
Overall it felt like it was being made by people who felt they had to, rather than wanted to.
Oh, I'm not saying it was good. I'm not defending it. I'm just saying that at least it is intentionally campy instead of acting all serious while being dumb too.
He did make it campy on purpose. The movie doesn't try to be a serious drama or a character study. It's a campy super hero movie. At least it's more self aware.
That just goes to show that critics sometimes are fooled by pretty pictures and fancy words.
Being intentionally campy isn't an excuse for being shitty. Adam West's Batman is self-aware camp, but it's still fun and good for what it is. B&R is awful no matter what its intentions. I don't see why TDKR aiming for something more serious and failing in your eyes is a bigger sin than aiming for something ridiculous and still failing.
Everyone seems to miss the point on this and I have to point it out.
Bruce isn't saying just anyone can up and be a ass kicking crime fighter will all the gadgets, contacts and martial arts know how Batman has.
What he is saying, and what he wanted ever since he discussed it on the plane with Alfred in Batman Begins, is to become a symbol, just like you mentioned.
Because, like he says in the film, anyone can be a hero, Even a man who put a coat around a young boy's shoulders to let him know the world hadn't ended.
Obviously he's not saying anyone could up and be The Batman, but he is saying they could strive to be as heroic, that's all.
I honestly think Nolan 'gets' the Batman character better than most of his critics.
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