Linkzg said:It's pretty awesome that the same people dogging on Nolan in this thread are all about Cameron and Avatar in that sequel thread.
I love both Cameron and Nolan.
I'm the outcast.
Linkzg said:It's pretty awesome that the same people dogging on Nolan in this thread are all about Cameron and Avatar in that sequel thread.
Dead said:Don't mince your words, it's pretty much better in every aspect of filmmaking.
FStop7 said:My vote for villain is Hush.
Dead said:Don't mince your words, it's pretty much better in every aspect of filmmaking.
jett said:I love both Cameron and Nolan.
I'm the outcast.
Scullibundo said:Even outside of the story, Minority has much more interesting characters, a more developed world and despite Pfister's great work, is better shot than Inception. Janusz <8
Scullibundo said:I think we all love Nolan. We're just not ready to call him one of the greatest filmmakers of all time just yet - a select group amongst which Spielberg has rightly earned his place.
Too bad. Spielberg read all the praise Nolan got for Inception decided to make Minority Report 2 and is casting Juno as the go to exposition character.Solo said:All I want to say is that MR handles exposition much more naturally and effectively than Inception. The exposition in Inception is probably my biggest issue aside from the paper thin characters.
If his latest movies were as good as Prestige and Memento, id be singing a different tune.jett said:Some *cough cough* are impressively and constantly negative in every Nolan-related thread here.
jett said:Some *cough cough* are impressively and constantly negative in every Nolan-related thread here.
edit: I didn't bring Cameorn up.
jett said:I love both Cameron and Nolan.
I'm the outcast.
HK-47 said:But Hush sucks.
Scullibundo said:All I know is that Spielberg could make Inception, but Nolan doesn't contain the deft humanity in his work that's required to pull off something like Munich or Empire of the Sun. Nolan is all plot, no heart with his films and his characters (the closest being my favourite of his - The Prestige). Which is fine, because I love Nolan's films - but when you try and compare him to Spielberg don't be surprised if some spit lands in your face while my mouth flaps open in a display of desperate gasps for air.
Dead said:Theres something fundamentally missing from them in comparison to The Prestige, which is one of the best movies of the last decade imo.
Solo said:Real talk: Chris Nolan is a great director and worthy of lots of praise, and is the most likely of his generation outside of PTA to have a lasting legacy. But for as well as he handles most of the bigger thematic stuff, he routinely flubs small things (such as humor *groan*), he can't shoot action for shit, and his fans are annoying as fuck.
black_13 said:Rises? why the hell not go with Returns? It doesn't makes sense, its so logical. You can't put Rise in a title without it sounding so uninspired and tacky.
This is already putting my hopes down cause 3rd movie in a trilogy is usually bad and the franchise reached its peak with Dark Knight. If the movie is at least half decent I'll be happy.
Blader5489 said:How does Return make more sense than Rises? Where is Batman returning from?
Goyer came up with the story at least in part.Mr. Snrub said:I really hope Batman 3 doesn't have any stupid fucking cop banter. Is Goyer on board for this one? I have the feeling he's responsible for the shitty dialogue/writing in the Batman movies, as it's not really prominent in his others.
Mr. Snrub said:I really hope Batman 3 doesn't have any stupid fucking cop banter. Is Goyer on board for this one? I have the feeling he's responsible for the shitty dialogue/writing in the Batman movies, as it's not really prominent in his others.
Mr. Snrub said:Empire is overrated. Munich is great, but Spielberg has squeezed out some crappers completely deft of ANY humanity, save for cliched relationships. Nolan's "worst" is Insomnia.
Is it confirmed that this is the actual title?
Dead said:As for the scripts, Nolan always does the last pass on all of his scripts, so he has final say on whatever is included. Goyer didn't write the actual screenplay of TDK though, that was Jonathan + Chris Nolan.
Solo said:Real talk: Chris Nolan is a great director and worthy of lots of praise, and is the most likely of his generation outside of PTA to have a lasting legacy. But for as well as he handles most of the bigger thematic stuff, he routinely flubs small things (such as humor *groan*), he can't shoot action for shit, and his fans are annoying as fuck.
Also, like Cameron, writing is not where his talent lies.
Dead said:Everyone who fancies themselves a cool cat knows that Spielbergs best non Shindlers List movie is Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
Solo said:Jaws is the best Spielberg movie, Schindler included. Its the original and best blockbuster. Pretty much perfect.
Zeliard said:We should all come to an agreement that PTA is the greatest American director of the past 15 years.
jett said:I love both Cameron and Nolan.
I'm the outcast.
Scullibundo said:Empire is definitely not overrated. Does take a rewatch though I've found.
When you've made as many movies as Spielberg has, yes there are bound to be a few the likes of 1941, Amistad and The Terminal. But Spielberg's great films (and there are a lot) are still on a level that Nolan hasn't touched yet.
To me he's missing the human factor.
beelzebozo said:raiders of the lost ark?
okay, listen, spielberg is just awesome. can we agree?
here's a picture of richard dreyfuss.
Solo said:This is the key here. Sure, maybe you can blame Goyer for trying to inject that awful humor, but throw some Nolan's way too for not removing it.
I don't get this much either. I see quite a bit of emotion in almost any Nolan character. I just don't think those emotions are universal to everyone, which isn't exactly Nolan's problem.Mr. Snrub said:I do agree that Nolan's films aren't as accessible emotionally as a lot of Spielberg's, but I don't find them completely devoid of emotion.
SpeedingUptoStop said:I'm not gonna try to tell anybody Nolan is objectively better than Spielberg. He fucking made Raiders, an untouchable cornerstone of Adventure films. The dude earned the keys for the rest of his life for that. On top of that, he made stuff like Jaws, Jurassic Park, landmark films that can't be topped because they were simply there first. But in terms of overall track record and flaws, it's much easier for me to say Nolan is more consistent and tolerable. The way I see it, Nolan has been building on top of every film, improving with each one in little and big ways. At worst with a Nolan film (depending on how much haterade you wanna gulp down), you're gonna get "horribly" shot action scenes, one dimensional supporting characters, maybe a relatively underwhelming third act, and hammy on the nose dialogue. spielberg? He's hit or miss as can be in the wake of this Crystal Skull mess. His poorer films have 3rd acts that don't just underwhelm, but suck out life from the previous two acts by offering up sappy, unearned redemptive arcs for the most unlikable characters, and even more on the nose dialogue. Then there's occasional major logic holes that Spielberg glosses over (like most of the stuff going on with the aliens and their arrival in WotW) that I just don't see happening in a Nolan film.
At the end of the day, it's really nitpicking, like a lot of GAF discussions. Spielberg can lay claim to being the better no question because his style was among the first and distinct - it's hard to avoid imitating it. His highs, objectively, have way more influence on cinema at large by default both because of when they were made and the distinct quality. But when he gets low, he reaches points that I just don't think Nolan would ever allow himself to get to (partially because Nolan has way more of a hand in scripting and the universe of his films on the whole, and also because Nolan hasn't quite pidgeonholed himself into any sort of tacky story fumbles like said sappy, uneared redemptive arcs either).
When comparing these flaws to other filmmakers, it's really just fine details we're plucking on. We're still talking about a legend and a legend in the making when it comes down to it. I just don't see why people need to regularly put such that harsh light on either of these guys. We should be greatly thankful either of them are around.
Solo said:
Japanese submarine slammed two torpedoes into our side, Chief. We was comin' back from the island of Tinian to Leyte... just delivered the bomb. The Hiroshima bomb. Eleven hundred men went into the water. Vessel went down in 12 minutes. Didn't see the first shark for about a half an hour. Tiger. 13-footer. You know how you know that when you're in the water, Chief? You tell by looking from the dorsal to the tail. What we didn't know, was our bomb mission had been so secret, no distress signal had been sent. They didn't even list us overdue for a week. Very first light, Chief, sharks come cruisin', so we formed ourselves into tight groups. You know, it was kinda like old squares in the battle like you see in the calendar named "The Battle of Waterloo" and the idea was: shark comes to the nearest man, that man he starts poundin' and hollerin' and screamin' and sometimes the shark go away... but sometimes he wouldn't go away. Sometimes that shark he looks right into ya. Right into your eyes. And, you know, the thing about a shark... he's got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll's eyes. When he comes at ya, doesn't seem to be living... until he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white and then... ah then you hear that terrible high-pitched screamin'. The ocean turns red, and despite all the poundin' and the hollerin', they all come in and they... rip you to pieces. You know by the end of that first dawn, lost a hundred men. I don't know how many sharks, maybe a thousand. I know how many men, they averaged six an hour. On Thursday morning, Chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Herbie Robinson from Cleveland. Baseball player. Boatswain's mate. I thought he was asleep. I reached over to wake him up. Bobbed up, down in the water just like a kinda top. Upended. Well, he'd been bitten in half below the waist. Noon, the fifth day, Mr. Hooper, a Lockheed Ventura saw us. He swung in low and he saw us... he was a young pilot, a lot younger than Mr. Hooper. Anyway, he saw us and he come in low and three hours later a big fat PBY comes down and starts to pick us up. You know that was the time I was most frightened... waitin' for my turn. I'll never put on a lifejacket again. So, eleven hundred men went in the water; 316 men come out and the sharks took the rest, June the 29th, 1945. Anyway, we delivered the bomb.
Dead said:No Close Encounters love?
Bunch of savages in this town...
effzee said:The evolution of this topic is amazing. It went from shit title to ok title to Nolan vs Spielberg!
DMczaf said:And we start wearing kevlar, they buy armor piercing rounds!
effzee said:The evolution of this topic is amazing. It went from shit title to ok title to Nolan vs Spielberg!